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  Phry

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11/10/12 1:17:33 PM#81
in my opinion, the only thing that the OP really left out was, an 'all of the above' option
  Skuall

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11/10/12 1:23:53 PM#82

the main story while cool , was just a solo-player mode until max lvl , the lack of a good LFG sucked.

endgame wise , was meh , illum failed as pvp zone

the dungeons were boring ,tanking wasnt very fun , and dpsing was even worse

  Xirik

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11/10/12 1:49:17 PM#83

Swtor flopped? it has around 500k subs which would put it at the 2nd most subbed game right now I belive?

I agree it could have been better though.

I think the reason it didn't do as good as people hoped is because the mmorpg fanbase really doesn't know what it wants.

They want WoW with no grind and lots of content.  Bioware tried to do that but that caused people to get to cap and find no content. This game needed that grind.

WoW had no content in the begining but nobody cared because 90% of the people playing didn't hit lvl cap for 3-6 months. How stupid are we if we expect another company to do something even Blizzard could never do?

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  GreenishBlue

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11/10/12 2:03:12 PM#84
gameplay sux; hated my companion and no way of killing it properly

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/10/12 2:03:55 PM#85
Originally posted by Xirik

 it has around 500k subs which would put it at the 2nd most subbed game right now I belive?

 

I think there is a lot less than that now. Past level 15 (from the free trial) there are not many people playing at all

It may have had slight surge in the last month due to F2P coming.

After F2P, they will still probably have a lot less than 500K subs (there could end up being millions playing but doubt there will be millions paying!), maybe even the equivalent of less subs than what they have now before F2P

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioware-mmo-project/1226628p1.html

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  DrunkWolf

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11/10/12 2:06:37 PM#86
Originally posted by Problem
Originally posted by kb056
Btw, the game was nothing else but a "money scam" from its very beginnings.
Explain that crap to everyone please.

 

 I can see it being a scam, i think sombody pocketed a few mill here and there because there is no way this crap game took 200+ mill to make.

  JoeyMMO

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To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

11/10/12 3:53:26 PM#87
Engine, graphics, linear gameplay, fail endgame. Endgame is probably the main reason it failed so hard.

  ThomasN7

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11/10/12 3:59:42 PM#88
Too much hand holding, lack of exploration, artwork did not fit right with the ip and the combat was average. Should of just made Kotor 3.
  kalinis

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11/10/12 4:01:40 PM#89

i like the game. Ill start there, The truth is the moment a game has a sub 90 pct of the gameing community goes up in arms and wont play it. So the truth is they went wrong not building it as a free 2 play game from the start. 

Thats the one big mistake the made , The game is alot of fun to play for me , Although even i think they could of keep cutscenes to the class story and jus thad pick up quests for rest, 

  AlBQuirky

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11/10/12 4:02:39 PM#90

I said other, as none of those things listed I consider to be the "main reason" why SW:TOR failed for me. It just is not an MMO. It was more of a "SW:KotOR III" for me. Great single player game as one progressed through their storylines, but lacking so much to be a MMO.

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  tuppe99

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11/10/12 4:05:26 PM#91
Originally posted by Latronus

It failed because too many people wanted it to be something it was never going to be. 

SWG fans wanted SWG2

KOTOR fans wanted KOTOR3

Eve/X-Wing fans wanted free roam space

RPers wanted, well they wanted to sit down in a chair, to swim, day/night cycles, houses, etc etc etc

A very vocal minority wanted SGRAs

Raiders wanted well, they wanted end game

PvPers wanted, well does it really matter because are they ever truly happy? 

WoW players wanted group finder/macros/add-ons/8 years of content at release 

The list goes on and on.  The game was doomed before it ever launched because no matter what EA/Bioware did or did not do, there was no way to satisfy a majority of the players with the direction they finally took the game...

 

 

 

No, it failed because they did not deliver to ANY of the above. If they at least catered properly for one of the groups you mentioned, it may not have failed so hard.

  Sovrath

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11/10/12 4:06:42 PM#92
Originally posted by superniceguy

Yeah, all of them and then some, but MAIN reason would be End Game - not enough to keep you playing once maxed.

SWG did not have space to begin with, but its open worlds / sandbox style, many customisable professions and crafting systems etc kept me busy until JTL came

That was my choice. I liked the game. Just didn't have much to do at top level that I was interested in.

  FromHell

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11/10/12 4:14:26 PM#93
All of the above. Voted "other".

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  Yamota

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11/10/12 4:16:58 PM#94

How about all of the above?

Also, EA was a reason for it flopping, not a reason why it should be a success. That company has killed of so many game franchises...

  joeballs

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11/10/12 4:18:15 PM#95
The main reason it flopped is because it's using current gen mmo gameplay and everyone and their mother is sick of it. The next thing that kills the game is that a Star Wars themed mmo is not very attractive to female gamers. And the last thing that killed it, is that there are similar games out there that are just as good (if not better) that don't require a monthly feel. In the end, it has nothing to do with the game itself. It's very high quality. The problem was there right at the time they decided to make it. It was just a bad decision.
  User Deleted
11/10/12 4:18:24 PM#96

The main reason SWTOR flopped is because... it sucks. *Shrug*

  FromHell

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11/10/12 4:21:20 PM#97
Originally posted by Latronus

It failed because too many people wanted it to be something it was never going to be. 

SWG fans wanted SWG2

KOTOR fans wanted KOTOR3

Eve/X-Wing fans wanted free roam space

RPers wanted, well they wanted to sit down in a chair, to swim, day/night cycles, houses, etc etc etc

A very vocal minority wanted SGRAs

Raiders wanted well, they wanted end game

PvPers wanted, well does it really matter because are they ever truly happy? 

WoW players wanted group finder/macros/add-ons/8 years of content at release 

The list goes on and on.  The game was doomed before it ever launched because no matter what EA/Bioware did or did not do, there was no way to satisfy a majority of the players with the direction they finally took the game...

You probaby notice that none of the possible target groups got what they wanted. They could have tried to satisfy at least *some* of them, right?

SWG fans are not happy, no sandbox, no housing, boxed in worlds.

Kotor fans are not happy, no minigames, no Pazzak, Swoop racing or Sabaacc. 

EvE/X-Wing fans are not happy, because space is a railshooter.

RPers are not happy, no chat bubbles, no chairs, no housing. No world immersion (day/night/Weather changes, more interactable fun stuff in the world and so on)

PvPers are not happy, no Ilum, only 4 warzones, no open world PvP

The only "happy" ones are the 1% raiders I guess, they got raids and dungeons and WoW type gear grind.

 

Top it off with mediocre graphics which are rather of the 2006-2007 era, and a very underperforming graphics engine.

 

How can anyone wonder why the game population loss is massive.

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  defector1968

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11/10/12 4:21:36 PM#98

wonder why in the list isnt the NO global chat.

seating in fleet all the time just to talk make the game so comunity unfrendly

  grimal

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11/10/12 4:22:27 PM#99
Originally posted by defector1968

wonfer why in the list isnt the NO global chat.

seating in fleet all the time just to talk make the game so comunity unfrendly

YES!  Why did they never bring in a global chat?  Bugged the living crap out of me.

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  warbot7777

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11/10/12 4:24:17 PM#100
I felt like the game was TOO big. So many places you rarely encountered anyone. While it was nice to explore, I was bored quickly. It felt too much like WoW with too much questing and grinding. If the game was truly story driven, it wouldn't have me collecting shit all the time. 
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