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  moguy2

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Joined: 9/20/12
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Wish I had something positive to say =(

11/09/12 5:50:08 PM#21
I have cashed in all my food stamps and buying beer atm is the only thing I plan on doing.. SORRY Mr Citizen
  Isawa

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11/09/12 5:51:07 PM#22
They have over 4 million combining kickstarter and the main site crowd funding. Since that is well over what they stated, I don't see a need for more money via these sources.
  Netspook

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11/09/12 5:58:54 PM#23

Star Citizen suddenly became a huge turn-off.

/moving on.

  Kenze

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11/09/12 6:00:32 PM#24

welfare devs.... no i'll pass but good luck with that

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  Shodanas

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11/09/12 6:02:31 PM#25
Originally posted by psiicat
Originally posted by Shodanas

Big fan of his game series but this smells like he is unemployable/fundable. With such a name whats behind the record where he can't get an infusion of venture?

He is neither unemployable nor unfundable. In fact, EA approached him and he turned them down! He is in touch with private investors and their term was a simple one: raise 2 million from the crowd so that we can determine the interest in your project and we will found your endeavor. You can find all the info you need at robertsspaceindustries.com  Check it out and you'll see that mr. Roberts means business.

In otherwords raise the real value of your company to 2 million so we can get to the valuation we need to be able to make our risk negligible because we are greedy chits as well and want all the reward without any of the risks.

You can't blame mr. Robert's investors for wanting to know the volume of potential customers his product is targeting at. Star Citizen won't be cheap to make you know.

  Shodanas

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11/09/12 6:05:29 PM#26
Originally posted by Netspook

Star Citizen suddenly became a huge turn-off.

/moving on.

Can you elaborate on this?

  RoyalPhunk

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Joined: 1/11/11
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11/09/12 6:29:09 PM#27

These kind of games have not been lucky so far. Jumpgate Evolution got killed in Development by codemasters. Black Prophecy launched but I think they killed it as well.

The game is way too far from launch for me to actually put any money in based on one video and next to no gameplay footage. I do tend to put money into sandboxes only because I know those will not get big funding and its the only way I will probably get to play one in the next 5 years.

  MumboJumbo

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Veni, Vidi, Converti

11/09/12 6:40:27 PM#28
Good to see this going well. It's a long way off, but I see a good game coming out eventually. I'm AMAZED this sort of game has not been developed in ernest so much at present...
  Cometer

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Joined: 4/29/04
Posts: 26

 
OP  11/09/12 7:59:18 PM#29

I've read some of the commnents in here criticizing crowfunding and I understand their point but there is one simple problem when it comes to THIS particular project.

- Publishers and most investors don't support AAA space sims this days.

In fact we haven't had a AAA space sim in decades. Yes decades.

And proof of that is that there are several space sims out there but none are published by any major company.

That is why Chris resorted to crowd funding.

Many gamers criticize how games have become repetitive, and are just sequels and more sequels.

Well it's like this because publishers don't like to take risks. That is after all the reason why indie games are becoming popular. Because that is an area where devs can try new stuff.

Problem is, what if your vision can only be achieved with huge amounts of money? Where do you go?

Chris was honest. The game he is building will cost way more than the fundraising will give him. But hitting 2 million will be enough to show that peolple are intereste and bring some angel financing.

But he still needs some more help. He has said it from the start. Even before reaching 2 million.

He will  bring all the promissed features. If he has more funds he will be able to hire more people and bring them sooner rather then later and it will allow him to make a bigger game.  $4 million is that sweet spot.

 

  Cometer

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OP  11/09/12 8:01:48 PM#30
Originally posted by Eluldor
They have over 4 million combining kickstarter and the main site crowd funding. Since that is well over what they stated, I don't see a need for more money via these sources.


Unfortunatly they don't have 4 million yet. The robersspaceindustries.com website is showing the combined value of those who have pledged in RSI and Kickstarter.

What you're seeing in the main site is the total.

As of this post it's at 3.1 million with 9 days to go.

  Toxia

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Posts: 1322

11/09/12 8:07:07 PM#31

Guys, i have, in my hand, a game, READY, i just need a couple million dollars so the investors will invest in me and i can go into production and shipping.

Just drop your info in a PM and toss it over. kthnx.

The Deep Web is sca-ry.

  snapfusion

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11/09/12 8:08:53 PM#32
Originally posted by Astropuyo
Originally posted by psiicat

I actually like the idea of kickstarter for some projects, and I've even supported kickstarted game development.

However when I had time to think the whole thing through I realized just how blatantly dishonest, disrespectful, and greedy the whole process really is.

If you want to fund game developement there are already legitimate means of financial backing in place, investors, business loans, IPO's.. the problem with those options is those sources get a peice of the pie.. a return on investment.

Kickstarter allows the real disqusting purely greedy a means to keep all the pie for themselves at the same time deceiving gullible under-educated gamers into feeling like they are part of the team, a crucial critical part of the team.

If these game devs werent the most greedy crustaceans walking on two legs, instead of selling you your name on some in-game monument, they would be selling you investor shares, or a peice of the pie.

4 million dollars... ?

And here I was thinking people that come on sharktank asking for $ 100,000 for 5% of a company worthy $500,000 were greedy.

Exactly.

Man, I cannot express how awesome your post is.

These things damage investment systems, they literally return nothing to you but some swag in the promised future.

 

Meanwhile they never have to pay out to investors again.

These are for the uninvestable, the failure as a business model can't get funding so we rely on you small people types of models, as a investor I will say this: Any company that does not offer ROI is scamming you and you are buying into it.

 

Big fan of his game series but this smells like he is unemployable/fundable. With such a name whats behind the record where he can't get an infusion of venture?

Its obvious neither of you know what kind of game hes trying to make, or you wouldnt be asking why some investor doesnt fund him.

  StanlyStanko

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11/09/12 8:10:51 PM#33
Originally posted by Cometer

Even a pretty good MMORTS that I love, set in space called Eve Online.

 

....EVE is not an RTS. You "love" her but don't even know what she is?...

Lies...deceptive suggestion........LIAR!!!

EVERYONE MUST NOT BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD THAT IS UTTERED BY COMETER THE LIAR!

  Toxia

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Posts: 1322

11/09/12 8:12:51 PM#34
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Originally posted by Cometer

Even a pretty good MMORTS that I love, set in space called Eve Online.

 

....EVE is not an RTS. You "love" her but don't even know what she is?...

Lies...deceptive suggestion........LIAR!!!

EVERYONE MUST NOT BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD THAT IS UTTERED BY COMETER THE LIAR!

Confused....RTS is real time strategy right?

...that's not eve in a nutshell?

The Deep Web is sca-ry.

  erictlewis

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Joined: 11/08/08
Posts: 3058

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

11/09/12 8:19:20 PM#35

YOu know I was in it when they said they needed 2 million,  then it was 3 million.  Now it is 4 million.  I thought they had backers who were going to pick up at the 2 million mark.

So now I am kind of worried that they are collecting money and were going to get the shaft, exactly how much money are they going to beg for.

 

  Rednecksith

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Joined: 6/12/09
Posts: 1272

Bite my fiery metal ass!

11/09/12 8:28:01 PM#36

After the horrible Wing Commander movie, this is probably the only way he could get funding for anything. That thing lost what, 20 million or so?

Sorry, but I'm sure as hell not going to fund somebody who could screw up directing a movie based on his own creation as badly as he did, especially not with something more than a couple of videos showing some very unimpressive tech demonstrations.

I hope the game will be good. But I'm not handing him a thing when the soonest I'll be receiving anything tangible in return is four years out, especially when his previous endeavour was... lackluster at best.

  Wraithone

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Joined: 7/09/04
Posts: 3581

If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

11/09/12 8:28:19 PM#37
Originally posted by Astropuyo
Originally posted by psiicat

I actually like the idea of kickstarter for some projects, and I've even supported kickstarted game development.

However when I had time to think the whole thing through I realized just how blatantly dishonest, disrespectful, and greedy the whole process really is.

If you want to fund game developement there are already legitimate means of financial backing in place, investors, business loans, IPO's.. the problem with those options is those sources get a peice of the pie.. a return on investment.

Kickstarter allows the real disqusting purely greedy a means to keep all the pie for themselves at the same time deceiving gullible under-educated gamers into feeling like they are part of the team, a crucial critical part of the team.

If these game devs werent the most greedy crustaceans walking on two legs, instead of selling you your name on some in-game monument, they would be selling you investor shares, or a peice of the pie.

4 million dollars... ?

And here I was thinking people that come on sharktank asking for $ 100,000 for 5% of a company worthy $500,000 were greedy.

Exactly.

Man, I cannot express how awesome your post is.

These things damage investment systems, they literally return nothing to you but some swag in the promised future.

 

Meanwhile they never have to pay out to investors again.

These are for the uninvestable, the failure as a business model can't get funding so we rely on you small people types of models, as a investor I will say this: Any company that does not offer ROI is scamming you and you are buying into it.

 

Big fan of his game series but this smells like he is unemployable/fundable. With such a name whats behind the record where he can't get an infusion of venture?

 

It could well be a bit more complicated than that.  Yes, he has a well known name in certain circles, but given the economic times we are living through, that might be enough.

Second, major investors demand major control of any project. Do you *really* want World of Warcraft in space? WoW has its good points, but its NOT what I'm looking for right now.  One of the best ways I know to see dollar signs in investors eyes, is to say "Its just like World of Warcraft!"...<rolls eyes> That was even more true just a couple of years back.

Last, I'm one of those who believes that you tend to get what you reward. If you want more WoW clones, and shovel ware, by all means keep using the same old formula (funding and investment wise) that has produced the current crop.  I'm more than willing to risk some money on the chance that this *might* be different.

  User Deleted
11/09/12 8:38:17 PM#38
Originally posted by Toxia
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Originally posted by Cometer

Even a pretty good MMORTS that I love, set in space called Eve Online.

 

....EVE is not an RTS. You "love" her but don't even know what she is?...

Lies...deceptive suggestion........LIAR!!!

EVERYONE MUST NOT BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD THAT IS UTTERED BY COMETER THE LIAR!

Confused....RTS is real time strategy right?

...that's not eve in a nutshell?

Homeworld combat and EVE allmost sister and brother in combat and it is RTS.

 

  Renoaku

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11/09/12 8:49:31 PM#39

Honestly the game looks like crap.

You can show me all the movies you want, but instead of showing me movies show me an actual UI, a movie can look at lot cooler than the actual game itself, or customization the game offers.

Also Free 2 Play game, supporting one no thank you, I would not support or donate to a F2P game for development unless I ran or worked with the company.

Like seriously I have seen what every F2P game is like today what makes me believe this game is going to be different even buying a Beta, or Founders package seriously like  Lineage 2 Truly FREE, its Free, but Pay 2 Enjoy and obtain the best experience.

EVE online in this state looks better.

Also this game fails to show any actual character gameplay or demo's of how its going to be.

Its just meh why throw away money or donations into such a game you don't know how its going to be if a lot of rich people want to do this, or if a lot of gamers want to toss in $10 then so be it, but either way im not doing such for a development of a game unless I know the company actually has a chance of.

1. Design of a decent game.

2. Is Free 2 Play but without pay 2 enjoy, and pay 2 win.

3. Good Customizations of ships/characters, no pay to change characters like TERA for example.

Unless I know these and have an agreement with the company signed by the company that they will not do such I would never toss away my money not even $10.

Now about Kick Starter, meh they take way too much I wouldn't use their company honestly a flat rate would be better.

  Ramonski7

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11/09/12 8:57:49 PM#40
These games cannot get enough return from offering signed CE copies @ $800 a pop anymore, I mean you actually have to produce a product. No now they want cash with no commitment and no product so they can show investors that they now have 4 million so they can get another 4 mill from them to live like kings for 7 years while they slowly work on their special baby... no thanks. Deliver a product and i'll deliver the cash.


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