Originally posted by jiveturkey12
Anyway let me just refresh your memory on how "Good" marketing can make even a crap-piece of a game look amazing. 

Exhibit A

Also am I the only one who finds it hypocritical that ESO fans like to say us Core Elder Scrolls fans are too dismissive of ESO, yet one video comes out showing the game systems in an over-edited and cinematic fashion (Obviously to increase hype) and everyone goes crazy apeshit over it???

Actually, everything that was presented in SWTOR  video was in the game itself, and was working quite fine. The things that sucked were seen later during gameplay (loading screens, tunneled zones, bad engine etc.)

Let's wait till beta to see how the game turns out. Meanwhile, we can enjoy their marketing efforts and watch the videos and screenshots, which you have to admit, have entertainment value (as did SWTOR's and GW2's).

I am not excited for TESO even a little bit. This may change as I see more, but right now... couldn't care less.

BUT... I will say, judging one company/ game on past experience with another company/ game is ridiculous.

By all means judge each dev on it's *own* track record, but to say TESO is somehow fooling people because SWTOR did is... well, you get it.

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

A new flashy trailer comes out and everyone is ready to give their bodies to Zenimax as tribute to their greatness (in Marketing!)

 

Seriously, does anyone remember SWTOR still? I know weve tried to put the image in the back of our head and really repress all those terrible memories, but lets not forget ESO is still an MMO from a AAA company. The new trailer really does make the game look great, at least in the over-exagerated 500 person armies battling and the whole "Play how you want style", which is very well displayed in a video depicting every Elder Scrolls character ever donning the EXACT Helmet from skyrim in every scene. Seriously isnt this set BEFORE skyrim? Was the Dovakiin the first Hipster who brought that style back a few centuries later?

 

Anyway let me just refresh your memory on how "Good" marketing can make even a crap-piece of a game look amazing. 

 

Exhibit A

 

Also am I the only one who finds it hypocritical that ESO fans like to say us Core Elder Scrolls fans are too dismissive of ESO, yet one video comes out showing the game systems in an over-edited and cinematic fashion (Obviously to increase hype) and everyone goes crazy apeshit over it???

Dude, this is MMORPG.com. A site where people write about the newest games and their hopes for them. And here you are getting angry because there is HYPE and some people have fallen for it already? I guess its alright to call them stupid but why oh why disilluson them?

It's like telling a little kid that Santa Claus isn't REAL.

You evil scrooge. :)

I was feeling good until I saw the video.

"You wont have to fight for resources."

and my favoritte around 6:25 of the video

"Once you save a city the city stays change and the people remember you."

Where have we heard this before? Concerning.

Originally posted by bcbully

I was feeling good until I saw the video.

 

"You wont have to fight for resources."

and my favoritte around 6:25 of the video

"Once you save a city the city stays change and the people remember you."

 

Where have we heard this before? Concerning.

 

It's important features.  

When I think MMO I think to myself, "Will NPC's really remember me?  Will they care, for all that I'm doing for them?"    I'm glad game developers are finally realizing that, at the core of MMO's, it's NPC's that really matter.   No one wants to deal with other players, have to guild with them, or compete for resources with them, or even socialize with them.   As long as NPC's cheer me on I'll be there!

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

A new flashy trailer comes out and everyone is ready to give their bodies to Zenimax as tribute to their greatness (in Marketing!)

 

Seriously, does anyone remember SWTOR still? I know weve tried to put the image in the back of our head and really repress all those terrible memories, but lets not forget ESO is still an MMO from a AAA company. The new trailer really does make the game look great, at least in the over-exagerated 500 person armies battling and the whole "Play how you want style", which is very well displayed in a video depicting every Elder Scrolls character ever donning the EXACT Helmet from skyrim in every scene. Seriously isnt this set BEFORE skyrim? Was the Dovakiin the first Hipster who brought that style back a few centuries later?

 

Anyway let me just refresh your memory on how "Good" marketing can make even a crap-piece of a game look amazing. 

 

Exhibit A

 

Also am I the only one who finds it hypocritical that ESO fans like to say us Core Elder Scrolls fans are too dismissive of ESO, yet one video comes out showing the game systems in an over-edited and cinematic fashion (Obviously to increase hype) and everyone goes crazy apeshit over it???

hater ^

Originally posted by jiveturkey12 

Anyway let me just refresh your memory on how "Good" marketing can make even a crap-piece of a game look amazing. 

Exhibit A

I also want to point out that everything in that trailer you've linked is 100% true to SWTOR. You've probably done everything in that trailer yourself! So the real question is.. why do you keep getting caught up in the hype train by exaggerating the things you are seeing?

Originally posted by Threatlevel0

Originally posted by bcbully

I was feeling good until I saw the video.

 

"You wont have to fight for resources."

and my favoritte around 6:25 of the video

"Once you save a city the city stays change and the people remember you."

 

Where have we heard this before? Concerning.

 

 

It's important features.  

When I think MMO I think to myself, "Will NPC's really remember me?  Will they care, for all that I'm doing for them?"    I'm glad game developers are finally realizing that, at the core of MMO's, it's NPC's that really matter.   No one wants to deal with other players, have to guild with them, or compete for resources with them, or even socialize with them.   As long as NPC's cheer me on I'll be there!

lol /sarcasm? It's early, not done with my coffee yet.  The exact same thing almost word for word was said in the GW2 manifesto. 

So what have we learned from this? This means that there will an instanced story area that changes with your personal story.. 

Originally posted by timtrack

"Bwuaaaaa, i played SWTOR 100 hours/week and i was bored after 2 months"

"Bwuaaaaa, i'm a spoiled little brat with no perspective"

"Bwuaaaaa, i've played MMO's for 20 years and every new game sucks, it's not because i'm burned out"

"Bwuaaaaa, every game is a failure unless they reinvent the wheel"

"Bwuaaaaa, why r u guyz fallin for for hypez"

 

Are you people really still doing this?

That pretty much sums it up.

And seriously, why does everyone have to call a game a failure if they hate it?  I do not like the Secret World.  The combat system is too complicated for me, but it is still a great game; it's just that the game is not for me.

SWTOR, GW2, etc. are NOT failures, and I doubt that ESO will be a failure either.  That does not  necessarily mean that it will be a good game, but we will have to wait to see how good it is.

I hereby propose a change to how peopel talk on these forums.  I propose a "banning" of the practice of calling an MMO a failure, and replace it with the practice of saying that an MMO is not for the person making the post.  Seriously, "failure" when it comes to games is subjective and too polarizing a term; simply stating a game is not for the person who thinks the game is not for them is much simpler and will result in fewer arguments.

Originally posted by Zylaxx

I was very vocally against TESO when it was announced.  (look at my post history if you dont believe me)  I am much more open to the games idea now based on the information that we know.  (see my sig for info).

 

Doesn't mean I cant be cautiously optimistic of the game though even if I have my doubts on this mega server technology, heavy use of phasing, over the shoulder 3rd person perspective and overall longevity.  I will still follow it, to do so is leaving your self devoid of knowledgable information needed to make a "buy or pass" determination on release day.

This is exactly where I am at when it comes to TESO. The castle sieges is something I am very excited about, reminds me of L2, my fear is will they pull it off, or will this turn yet again into the same guild control system that there was in Warhammer Online and GW2 where holding stuff doesnt really matter.

Both SWTOR and GW2 entertained me for a good month and a half to 2 months, with over 300hrs played on both. I'd say that's money well spent.

So i wouldn't call them "fails", but if you think you're entitled to 1 year+ of content from the get-go for 50$, then you need to get your head checked.

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

A new flashy trailer comes out and everyone is ready to give their bodies to Zenimax as tribute to their greatness (in Marketing!)

 

Seriously, does anyone remember SWTOR still? I know weve tried to put the image in the back of our head and really repress all those terrible memories, but lets not forget ESO is still an MMO from a AAA company. The new trailer really does make the game look great, at least in the over-exagerated 500 person armies battling and the whole "Play how you want style", which is very well displayed in a video depicting every Elder Scrolls character ever donning the EXACT Helmet from skyrim in every scene. Seriously isnt this set BEFORE skyrim? Was the Dovakiin the first Hipster who brought that style back a few centuries later?

 

Anyway let me just refresh your memory on how "Good" marketing can make even a crap-piece of a game look amazing. 

 

Exhibit A

 

Also am I the only one who finds it hypocritical that ESO fans like to say us Core Elder Scrolls fans are too dismissive of ESO, yet one video comes out showing the game systems in an over-edited and cinematic fashion (Obviously to increase hype) and everyone goes crazy apeshit over it???

I agree with you man. But I don't thing ppl will understand what you want to say, because they are just sheeps, baa, baa :):)

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Threatlevel0

It's important features.  

When I think MMO I think to myself, "Will NPC's really remember me?  Will they care, for all that I'm doing for them?"    I'm glad game developers are finally realizing that, at the core of MMO's, it's NPC's that really matter.   No one wants to deal with other players, have to guild with them, or compete for resources with them, or even socialize with them.   As long as NPC's cheer me on I'll be there!

lol /sarcasm? It's early, not done with my coffee yet.  The exact same thing almost word for word was said in the GW2 manifesto. 

 

So what have we learned from this? This means that there will an instanced story area that changes with your personal story.. 

lol yes, definately all sarcasm.   If MMO's just want to focus on personal stories now I'll just keep playing non-MMO's where the combat, story, and practically everything is much better designed.   And yet still be able to play Co-op usually....    I'd say I'll miss MMO PvP but then again, all that is anymore is Battlegrounds/Arena a.k.a lobby based anyways.    And let's be honest, never even close to being balanced.   

When they actually make even a fairly designed MMO with the driving inspiration being a fully fledged world without instanced lobbies and personal stories, but open world PvP, depth and even competition to crafting/gathering, and I don't know reasons to actually go to a Tavern besides a one time visit to get a "Point of Interest" or something....maybe I'll check out a MMO again.  

*edit*  Please don't mention EvE.  I know it fits the bill, but I also don't like playing a spreadsheet.  I still want an actual character, and if it was a spaceship MMO I was wanting to play I'd at least want it more similar to SWG's Jump to Lightspeed where I could walk around in it and have friends in my ship as well.   Like that Chris Roberts ( I beleieve was his name?)  new game, Freelancer or whatever...

Youve all missed the point completely. Yes I understand everything in the SWTOR trailer was in the game, and those all seem like amazing features right? 

ESO's new trailer shows the same thing, a bunch of basic systems used for the game that seem appealing in the "Cinematic" context the video shows.

But the fact that its a Linear Themepark game, with classes, and Trinity Style Combat have already doomed the game from the start. Themeparks arent selling, And ELder Scrolls Themeparks are DEFIENTLY not selling.

They could have capitalized on the Elder Scrolls name, made a unique MMO experiance, and actually carved a niche market into something bigger and better. Instead they have to use crappy cinematic trailers that show minimal in game HUD (We saw what? A minimap?) and try and sell the idea of phasing by making a few NPC's in the town cheer for you.

THIS IS AN MMO. Seriously when will developers and people start to understand that if your playing a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game, you need to accept the fact that people will be there, and your going to have to deal with them.

Making the game singleplayer and solo-focused (Notice im not saying friendly here. That term needs to die, a slow painful firey death. Solo-Friendly is the exact bullshit you all have been spoon-feed by developers to make you feel good about your descision to not socialize in an online world.)

Well guess what? Than you arent playing an MMO anymore, as soon as the singleplayer BECOMES the focus, then your playing a Co-operative Online RPG, Guild Wars 1 was the first  Mainsteam game to use this term (To my knowledge) and unfortunately the label needs to be put on alot of other MMO's because the meaning of the genre is lost under a heaping pile of bullshit known as "Marketing". 

Zenimax feels as if they can make money simply by marketing the game as the mastepiece of mundane monotony it truely is. And guess what? Its working!! 

Seriously if they can get all of you to defend a game theyve released one fluffed gameplay piece for, using a series which none of you care about because no one here wants to talk about the glaring Lore issues, rediculous Race/Faction limitations, and 3 faction pvp in an IP that doesnt dictate or even leave room to appropriate it, then job well done Zenimax! I appluad your effort at polishing that pile of crap your sitting on top of and still getting people to buy into it.

Let's just be honest....

...no MMO will ever be good enough for the forum contributers at MMORPG. Whether it's good/bad, themepark/sandbox, f2p/p2p/b2p, it's simply too cool and mainstream to hate on whatever comes out and then say that the genre should copy or go back to UO/DaoC/EVE/etc.

If you guys were given a box of legos, you'd complain that they don't have enough colors for you to have fun. We've become a community that simply can not even attempt to enjoy games before we bash them.

Originally posted by slicknslim88
Wow, we already got haters for this game just for trailers of the game.  Nobody knows yet how this game will turn out, give it the benefit of the doubt and chill the fuck out.

I wouldn't say haters of the game, only haters of the same typical, generic genre.   And given how all the latest games in this genre following said path have turned out....giving it the benefit of the doubt doesn't even seem justified.