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  grimal

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11/04/12 6:45:39 PM#81
Originally posted by eyelolled

If they like a game a little bit more, than it's superior in their opinion. It's a simple thing.   And take a look at the posts. I haven't said anything about another game, I've listened to peoples opinions and appreciated their input.

 

Why is it baiting if I claim that there are games out there superior to GW2? Other people have obviously made claims that GW2 is inferior, so I'm just trying to understand their perspective.

Is everything black and white to you?  The world is full of very different colors and just because something isn't white, doesn't mean it's got to be black.

Let me give you an example.

I like Star Wars.  I personally like it much more than most movies I have seen.

I also like The Godfather.

Given the choice, I would probably watch Star Wars right now.

Is that because it's superior?  No, quite the contrary.  It's just what I'm in the DAMN mood to watch now.

So....

after reading that.....

does that just blow your mind?   Like how I won't choose to watch the superior choice over the other?

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  lucasdeis

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11/04/12 6:46:25 PM#82
SWTOR OF COURSE
  Aerowyn

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11/04/12 6:47:51 PM#83
Originally posted by grimal

Is everything black and white to you?  The world is full of very different colors and just because something isn't white, doesn't mean it's got to be black.

Let me give you an example.

I like Star Wars.  I personally like it much more than most movies I have seen.

I also like The Godfather.

Given the choice, I would probably watch Star Wars right now.

Is that because it's superior?  No, quite the contrary.  It's just what I'm in the DAMN mood to watch now.

So....

after reading that.....

does that just blow your mind?   Like how I won't choose to watch the superior choice over the other?

i think star wars original trilogy is superior to the godfather trilogy.. just sayin' :)

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Ivylena

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11/04/12 6:48:44 PM#84
Originally posted by lifeordinary

Do we really need another one of these? it is quite clear you have no intention of having a discussion and just want to vent your frustration because well not everybody is in love with GW2.

Why insult intelligence of others by pretending that you actually care for their opinion? 

'Please share us with your expert suggestion'. I think that gives away your intentions behind this topic. Nice attempt at baiting though.

He had a legitimate topic and you decided to go Off-topic by insulting. You are the one baiting. Stop while you are ahead.

Take care.

TGIF...Thank God I'm Female

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  grimal

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11/04/12 6:51:00 PM#85
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal

Is everything black and white to you?  The world is full of very different colors and just because something isn't white, doesn't mean it's got to be black.

Let me give you an example.

I like Star Wars.  I personally like it much more than most movies I have seen.

I also like The Godfather.

Given the choice, I would probably watch Star Wars right now.

Is that because it's superior?  No, quite the contrary.  It's just what I'm in the DAMN mood to watch now.

So....

after reading that.....

does that just blow your mind?   Like how I won't choose to watch the superior choice over the other?

i think star wars original trilogy is superior to the godfather trilogy.. just sayin' :)

Well, I was actually referring to EP IV and The Godfather I.

Although I enjoy and love Star Wars, I don't consider it nearly in the same league of filmmaking as Godfather 1.

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  Aerowyn

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11/04/12 6:52:20 PM#86
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal

Is everything black and white to you?  The world is full of very different colors and just because something isn't white, doesn't mean it's got to be black.

Let me give you an example.

I like Star Wars.  I personally like it much more than most movies I have seen.

I also like The Godfather.

Given the choice, I would probably watch Star Wars right now.

Is that because it's superior?  No, quite the contrary.  It's just what I'm in the DAMN mood to watch now.

So....

after reading that.....

does that just blow your mind?   Like how I won't choose to watch the superior choice over the other?

i think star wars original trilogy is superior to the godfather trilogy.. just sayin' :)

Well, I was actually referring to EP IV and The Godfather I.

Although I enjoy and love Star Wars, I don't consider it nearly in the same league of filmmaking as Godfather 1.

haha i know what you were saying:)

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  grimal

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11/04/12 6:53:45 PM#87
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal

Is everything black and white to you?  The world is full of very different colors and just because something isn't white, doesn't mean it's got to be black.

Let me give you an example.

I like Star Wars.  I personally like it much more than most movies I have seen.

I also like The Godfather.

Given the choice, I would probably watch Star Wars right now.

Is that because it's superior?  No, quite the contrary.  It's just what I'm in the DAMN mood to watch now.

So....

after reading that.....

does that just blow your mind?   Like how I won't choose to watch the superior choice over the other?

i think star wars original trilogy is superior to the godfather trilogy.. just sayin' :)

Well, I was actually referring to EP IV and The Godfather I.

Although I enjoy and love Star Wars, I don't consider it nearly in the same league of filmmaking as Godfather 1.

haha i know what you were saying:)

BTW, I am playing my Mesmer and having oodles of fun with her.

(That sounds slightly pornographic....lol)

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  stevebmbsqd

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Joined: 9/26/09
Posts: 457

"Evolution thru Revolution"

11/04/12 6:54:55 PM#88

I still play GW2 occasionally. It is really lacking in any form of carrot that interests me and that will keep me playing. The events are boring, require little to no strategy, and recycle themselves way too often. The PvP can be fun, but is meaningless in its current state and the zerging quickly becomes stale. They also are not very quick at fixing bugs and hacks. The game is visually incredible and provides a great environment. I just wish it was more of a world.

Currently I am waiting on DF:U. Hopefully that will "cure" my boredom for the time being.......

  Aerowyn

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11/04/12 6:56:25 PM#89
Originally posted by grimal
 

BTW, I am playing my Mesmer and having oodles of fun with her.

(That sounds slightly pornographic....lol)

lol well guess it's a good thing she can clone herself  :) 

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  grimal

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Posts: 1839

11/04/12 7:01:14 PM#90
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
 

BTW, I am playing my Mesmer and having oodles of fun with her.

(That sounds slightly pornographic....lol)

lol well guess it's a good thing she can clone herself  :) 

:)

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  TangentPoint

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Posts: 1100

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11/04/12 7:02:36 PM#91
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by lifeordinary

Do we really need another one of these? it is quite clear you have no intention of having a discussion and just want to vent your frustration because well not everybody is in love with GW2.

Why insult intelligence of others by pretending that you actually care for their opinion? 

'Please share us with your expert suggestion'. I think that gives away your intentions behind this topic. Nice attempt at baiting though.

It's not baiting. I seriously want to know what games are so far superior to GW2 because I might like to try one of them out.  I'm not an expert because I've only played 4 mmorpgs for any effective amount of time. There are alot of people with much more experience in the genre than myself so I would consider them experts.

 

So whats the problem. Whats this game that you've got keeping you entertained?

I think the impression of "baiting" comes from the way you're asking. There's a kind of mocking tone, when you're asking..

"... what game or games are so much better than GW2"

"... what games some of these more enlightened individuals play"

"... what actual mechanics make these games so much better"

"... Please share with us, all of your expert suggestions."

... and so on... Relevant bits italicized for emphasis.

It comes across as a challenge, as if you're saying "what game could possibly be better than Guild Wars 2, that people would rather play it instead"? Also, we've seen those kinds of posts a hundred times around here. It's always someone "challenging" people to list games that are "better than -game x-", only to start smack-talking and bashing every single game provided in response. It comes across like someone trying to validate their own choice of game by beating down others'.

If you'd simply said, "For those who aren't playing GW2, what MMOs are you playing instead?", and just left it at that, it would seem more neutral and less facetious and "bait-like".

Those extra flourishes ("so much better", "enlightened individuals", etc...), are really not necessary to the question you're, ostensibly, genuinely looking for real answers for.

With those specific remarks above, you seem to be asking for absolute, objective responses to something that's entirely subjective, and certainly not absolute. People are simply going to see qualities in games that they like that you may not see. Likewise, they're not going to see qualities in GW2 that they like as you do. Gamer likes and dislikes don't fit into neat little categorical boxes. There's a thousand shades of gray in there. You could probably find people who don't even enjoy GW2 for the same reasons you do.

Now, going on the assumption that you are being sincere, I'll tell you what I'm playing currently... and not because I think GW2 isn't "as good", but because GW2 simply isn't the kind of game I'm looking for at this point.

I'm playing Rift a bit. I've been kicking around in FFXIV for the time it's online before 1.0 goes bye-bye.

Other than that, I've started playing Dreamfall again, out of excitement of Ragnar Tornquist's announcement of returning to that series.

 

 

My philosophy on MMORPGs:

Leveling is what happens while you're playing the rest of the game.

Don't worry about levels. Just play.

  Slampig

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11/04/12 7:05:04 PM#92
Originally posted by eyelolled

I hear alot of particular people going on about how GW2 isn't "all that" and I just wanted to know what game or games are so much better than GW2.  I beleive it was GeezerGamer that had suggested GW2 was a great game for when you only had a short period of time, so maybe I should look at what games some of these more enlightened individuals play in case I want to spend some longer periods in a game.

 

Please share with us, all of your expert suggestions.

 

EDIT: Oh and please don't leave silly posts like  "Game-X is the bomb, it's way better."  We all would like to hear what actual mechanics make these games so much better.

It is obvious you already have your mind made up, so what does it matter what games other people play?

I don't play GW2 anymore because from day one the community turned me off. As far as other games I play? I play ones I find fun.

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  NeVeRLiFt

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11/04/12 7:05:53 PM#93
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Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW
Playing: Sims 3, TSW & LoTRO
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  Deivos

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11/04/12 7:06:43 PM#94
Originally posted by Scorchien

 Only problem wth that is i played GW2 extensivley i never .. never felt any challenge and i have an 80 a 50 and a 40.. the only challenge the game presented was not tying your own fingers in a knot , and if i gave Helen Keller a brail keyboard she could get to 80..

Doesn't really affect my remarks. If you wanted a challenge where you were at risk of dying, then there are means for you to find it. If you thought the game was simple overall, that's your own opinion and your own preference.

 

There's a distinction between which aspects are matters of opinion and which arent'. I for example have never considered metagame aspects to be challenging. Balancing numbers to get a certain build to work takes it's own form of intelligence, but I do not see min-maxing as a sign of a game being challenging or difficult. I do think Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation put it well when he caleld it a game of numbers, you work to get a big number that you use against other things with big numbers so that you can get a bigger number than them and attain the biggest number of them all.

That's not the kind of game I like, but i know there are many that love that kind of game.

I prefer games where character customication and stats help me tailor a character concept. More so on the gameplay side i prefer more control given in how I move and interact with my character in the environment and less reliance on numbers to tell me if what I just did actually happened or not. I want the challenges not to come from superficially difficult oponents with big numbers, but because they are genuinely more intelligent and challenging to fight and overcome.

That's something i can say even GW2 fails at. Tera is no better about it either. There are too many enemies where the threat is only generated by their ability to do more damage to you when they hit and having an inordinate amount of hp to whittle down. To me that's not challenge, that's a grind.

 

I still like GW2 personally, but it's less about the gameplay alone for me and more that I quickly sought out my preferred kind of community to interact with for the time being. If a different game that caters to my interests creeps up, then I'll more than likely jump ship for that, but for now it's game hopping and tinkering with community.

 

As for bcbully. If you didn't get it there, then you never will. :p

 

EDIT: As for other games I'm playing. I'm playing PS2 also. ^_^

 

Additionally I pop on to play Firefall, DDO, and Raiderz. Sometimes I play a few other games as well, but these are all largely not specifically because I love the games, but because I love certain concepts or design elements of them and like poking about seeing how they work.

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  Thorkune

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11/04/12 7:08:30 PM#95
Originally posted by DonY81

ill go....

 

Im  kinda dabbling with Rift

Rift for me also.

I like Rift better because I have been playing it and have an already established character. I tried GW2, but found it lacking in the multiplayer part of MMORPG. So...why would I leave an already good themebox MMO for another one that isn't any better?

  Scorchien

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11/04/12 7:17:01 PM#96
Originally posted by Deivos
Originally posted by Scorchien

 Only problem wth that is i played GW2 extensivley i never .. never felt any challenge and i have an 80 a 50 and a 40.. the only challenge the game presented was not tying your own fingers in a knot , and if i gave Helen Keller a brail keyboard she could get to 80..

Doesn't really affect my remarks. If you wanted a challenge where you were at risk of dying, then there are means for you to find it. If you thought the game was simple overall, that's your own opinion and your own preference.

 

There's a distinction between which aspects are matters of opinion and which arent'. I for example have never considered metagame aspects to be challenging. Balancing numbers to get a certain build to work takes it's own form of intelligence, but I do not see min-maxing as a sign of a game being challenging or difficult. I do think Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation put it well when he caleld it a game of numbers, you work to get a big number that you use against other things with big numbers so that you can get a bigger number than them and attain the biggest number of them all.

That's not the kind of game I like, but i know there are many that love that kind of game.

I prefer games where character customication and stats help me tailor a character concept. More so on the gameplay side i prefer more control given in how I move and interact with my character in the environment and less reliance on numbers to tell me if what I just did actually happened or not. I want the challenges not to come from superficially difficult oponents with big numbers, but because they are genuinely more intelligent and challenging to fight and overcome.

That's something i can say even GW2 fails at. Tera is no better about it either. There are too many enemies where the threat is only generated by their ability to do more damage to you when they hit and having an inordinate amount of hp to whittle down. To me that's not challenge, that's a grind.

 

I still like GW2 personally, but it's less about the gameplay alone for me and more that I quickly sought out my preferred kind of community to interact with for the time being. If a different game that caters to my interests creeps up, then I'll more than likely jump ship for that, but for now it's game hopping and tinkering with community.

 

As for bcbully. If you didn't get it there, then you never will. :p

 

EDIT: As for other games I'm playing. I'm playing PS2 also. ^_^

 

Additionally I pop on to play Firefall, DDO, and Raiderz. Sometimes I play a few other games as well, but these are all largely not specifically because I love the games, but because I love certain concepts or design elements of them and like poking about seeing how they work.

Yea i see your point it can be a mind boggling challenge to stack that One stat that your class really needs in GW2 lol customizationa and stats are nil in GW2, So im not sure what you could be tailoring as you eloquently put it..

  As far as intelligent mobs .. Its not even close compared to the mobs in AO ....  Lmao those leashing mobs that stand in AOE in GW2 are so challenging .. Give me abreak the game is easy and made to be easy for the casual masses and thats fine but dont spin it to be something else..

  dave6660

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11/04/12 7:18:41 PM#97

GW2 fans are so desperate for validation.

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  DavisFlight

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11/04/12 7:25:28 PM#98
Originally posted by dave6660

GW2 fans are so desperate for validation.

Yeah, and it only got old oh, a year and a half ago.

 

I play Vanguard and Darkfall. Waiting for a GW2 price drop, but the RvR has been handled so poorly I may not even touch it at all. All my friends have already stopped playing.

  Torvaldr

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11/04/12 7:39:58 PM#99
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Nothing much right now. Little Rift beta from time to time,

How do you like it?

I'm fairly unhappy with the class changes.  I haven't played much over the last couple of months and just did the update from the last patch.  I'm not sure where to start.  None of my old skills feel the same.  None of my macros work.  I have to restart every single biuld I have on both my rogue and mage.

 

Anyway, as to the question, I play this in roughly this order.: 

GW2 - I still play GW2 primarily.  The rest are dabblers except City of Steam.

City Of Steam - I can't wait for beta testing to start.  I love this game.  It's very different from my other mmos.

STO - I still love this game.  It's Star Trek and it plays differently than my fantasy games.

RaiderZ - This has replaced Aion for me.  It's primarily pve, combat is more fun, and the music and atmosphere remind me of Aion.

EQ2 - I have a lot unlocked and a house I like.  I mess around with it sometimes and visit to chat with old guildies and friends.  Everfrost is a cool server.

RIFT - I do have a RIFT account that I don't play much anymore, but it's paid up through early next year.  I'm done with this once my sub expires.

Aion - I love Korean games and their old school pve grind.  I don't play much, but it's fun to visit.

Once Neverwinter launches I'll be playing GW2, Neverwinter, and City of Steam with visits to STO.  I really don't need much more than that for a while.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  eyelolled

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OP  11/04/12 7:47:08 PM#100
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by eyelolled

If they like a game a little bit more, than it's superior in their opinion. It's a simple thing.   And take a look at the posts. I haven't said anything about another game, I've listened to peoples opinions and appreciated their input.

 

Why is it baiting if I claim that there are games out there superior to GW2? Other people have obviously made claims that GW2 is inferior, so I'm just trying to understand their perspective.

Is everything black and white to you?  The world is full of very different colors and just because something isn't white, doesn't mean it's got to be black.

Let me give you an example.

I like Star Wars.  I personally like it much more than most movies I have seen.

I also like The Godfather.

Given the choice, I would probably watch Star Wars right now.

Is that because it's superior?  No, quite the contrary.  It's just what I'm in the DAMN mood to watch now.

So....

after reading that.....

does that just blow your mind?   Like how I won't choose to watch the superior choice over the other?

I have no difficulty understanding that a person can have multiple interests that do not compare as such. Just remember who I have directed my question to, and the perspective that they have brought to the table already.  I am asking for enlightenment on the point of veiw they have so generously shared. Thats all.

All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

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