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  Eleazaros

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Joined: 9/10/08
Posts: 204

11/21/12 5:34:43 AM#21

I'll give you an old quote of mine that I actually used in game on about my second week playing...  3 or 4 of us were pulled out of the rookie help channel into a private channel with a couple "recuriters".  They offered each of us half a million or so isk each if we'd join up with their "new" corporation with a POS in lowsec - if we'd just come down to it to sign up.

I typed this into the channel, everyone lost it laughing -- none of us newbies went down there.

Think of yourself as a small child released into a park full of pedophiles. If anyone offers you anything that requires you to meet them, don't be surprised at what you actually get from the encounter.

Welcome to EVE online.  Pick your friends with care.  There are good groups in the game but trust is a tough thing to work with in this world.

  Aeolron

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/24/11
Posts: 664

Everyones a mmo vet these days :P

11/21/12 5:36:43 AM#22
Originally posted by ashleymorrow
I am going to give Eve a try because I want something different and the visuals look beautiful. I am told it has a steep learning curve but that they recently made it more "newbie friendly". Is this true? and are there any guilds that help new players? Anything I should be wary of? Thank you for your time.

 It's a decent game sure, just read ALL the tips when they pop up it helps! Also, what helps is Microsoft Excel, if you know how to use that , your laughing!

  Kiljaedenas

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/29/11
Posts: 468

To err is human, but to really f*ck things up you need a computer.

11/22/12 5:15:51 PM#23
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by Mothanos

...bought myself the mighy Abadon to fly Level 4 missions and after doing 4 of them i got the famous (Worlds Colide) mission.
I warped in and got warp scrambled and lost it 1 hour after i bought it.

that mistake costed me over 300 million

 

 

Everyone does this :)

Or at least something akin to it...the very first Caldari Raven I ever got I took into a somewhat tougher L4 Drones mission (I forget which one) and I needed to warp out to recharge shields and rearm. I was in the middle of this complicated rock structure and kept bumping into the walls so I couldn't align to warp out. Ran out of cap for my shields, boom, one dead Raven. I was so pissed...Learned my lesson though, never did that again.

Where's the any key?

  Kiljaedenas

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/29/11
Posts: 468

To err is human, but to really f*ck things up you need a computer.

11/22/12 5:17:08 PM#24
Originally posted by Eleazaros

I'll give you an old quote of mine that I actually used in game on about my second week playing...  3 or 4 of us were pulled out of the rookie help channel into a private channel with a couple "recuriters".  They offered each of us half a million or so isk each if we'd join up with their "new" corporation with a POS in lowsec - if we'd just come down to it to sign up.

I typed this into the channel, everyone lost it laughing -- none of us newbies went down there.

Think of yourself as a small child released into a park full of pedophiles. If anyone offers you anything that requires you to meet them, don't be surprised at what you actually get from the encounter.

Welcome to EVE online.  Pick your friends with care.  There are good groups in the game but trust is a tough thing to work with in this world.

:)  I might have to steal that one...

Where's the any key?

  Eladi

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/23/06
Posts: 1073

11/22/12 5:20:10 PM#25
lol not new player friendly you have a ..waht  6 - 7 year weaker character then the first players. and the game is staling for a long time now. any time invested in Eve online is a real waiste at this point. its still a great game for olderplayers but mutch thanks to them the game does not have any real development anymore.  just ballance stuff, add  more stuff mainly that makes older players stronger and  copy / paste of game mechanics in a new shiny looking jacket.
  NetSage

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1027

11/22/12 9:18:54 PM#26
Originally posted by Eladi
lol not new player friendly you have a ..waht  6 - 7 year weaker character then the first players. and the game is staling for a long time now. any time invested in Eve online is a real waiste at this point. its still a great game for olderplayers but mutch thanks to them the game does not have any real development anymore.  just ballance stuff, add  more stuff mainly that makes older players stronger and  copy / paste of game mechanics in a new shiny looking jacket.

This is so far from true it's not even funny.  Sure you won't be flying a capital ship like they can but you can still participate in many things they do.  There is power in numbers and this why many corps don't have insane SP requirements.

  Malcanis

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3213

"A very special kind of stupidity"

11/23/12 11:01:10 AM#27
Originally posted by Eladi
lol not new player friendly you have a ..waht  6 - 7 year weaker character then the first players. and the game is staling for a long time now. any time invested in Eve online is a real waiste at this point. its still a great game for olderplayers but mutch thanks to them the game does not have any real development anymore.  just ballance stuff, add  more stuff mainly that makes older players stronger and  copy / paste of game mechanics in a new shiny looking jacket.

Can you give a recent example of "stuff that makes the older players stronger"?

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  Malcanis

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3213

"A very special kind of stupidity"

11/23/12 11:02:17 AM#28
Originally posted by Kiljaedenas
Originally posted by Eleazaros

I'll give you an old quote of mine that I actually used in game on about my second week playing...  3 or 4 of us were pulled out of the rookie help channel into a private channel with a couple "recuriters".  They offered each of us half a million or so isk each if we'd join up with their "new" corporation with a POS in lowsec - if we'd just come down to it to sign up.

I typed this into the channel, everyone lost it laughing -- none of us newbies went down there.

Think of yourself as a small child released into a park full of pedophiles. If anyone offers you anything that requires you to meet them, don't be surprised at what you actually get from the encounter.

Welcome to EVE online.  Pick your friends with care.  There are good groups in the game but trust is a tough thing to work with in this world.

:)  I might have to steal that one...

 

But he forgot the second half of the quote;

But if you put in lots of practice and research and you can find a group that you like to play with, then one day you too can be one of the pedophiles!

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  Rocketeer

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/07/04
Posts: 1310

11/23/12 3:06:17 PM#29

EvE is the most new player friendly game imho, because its the only MMO where Vets care about new players AT ALL. Players are the most important resource of all in EvE, even new players.

If your social you will have no problem at all to find a corp that follows a activity you enjoy and happy to take you. If your unsocial ... yeah it won't be fun but that got nothing to do with being new.

The difficulty in common activities you can follow as a new player is imho low, the complexity people talk about mostly stems from there being so many activities, not from the individual ones being complex. Also the game is pretty forgiving early on, the kinds of ships and modules you fly ... nothing to loose sleep over if lost, t1 losses are mostly compensated by insurance anyway.

 

By the time you can properly fly t2(about a month or two) you already should be able to find your way sans the usual facepalm-moments every EvE player goes through. One word of advice is to focus and get the most of your training.

 

Instead of training for frigates(and weapons) --> destroyers --> cruisers(new weapons and drones) --> BC --> BS(new weapons and drones again).

Try to train f.e. frigates(weapons) --> assault frigates --> EW Frigates --> ceptors --> T3

 

Reason being that you get to reuse/profit from skills you already trained again. Frigate skills and weapon skills will help you alot in your enitre progression right till you arrive at the T3 cruiser and those skills you have to train that are only required for part of the progression will still be useful in later shiptypes(EW skills, evasive maneuvering etc), while most of the progression would be completely worthless to you in a cruiser. Besides Assault frigates are good for missions up to and including level 3 and pretty much any npc in any belt you'll likely ever meet even in 0.0. Its a pretty good ship for PvE considering its size and (opportunity)cost even in the hands of a very low skilled pilot. Just hold off on PvP in them until you got some experience in it(pvp, not the ship).

Nr 1 reason for tears is imho the bigger is better mentality, people loosing low skilled BS in lvl 3 missions they could easily do in a AF or BC. Undocking in your shiny new - never before flown - raven to teach that pirate in a cruiser a lesson etc. Always use the appropiate tool for the job, and be aware that being fast on your feet is better than to be strong in your arms from a survival pov ;).

  free2play

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/13/05
Posts: 1830

11/25/12 10:20:01 PM#30

As long as you feel "noob" stay in starter corp. War Dec is a game breaker for someone with one character and limited SP.

If you plan to explore the universe, even just the high sec part of it, keep your valuables safe.

The Auto Pilot? It's isn't there, you didn't see it, it doesn't work.  Unless you are in an empty shuttle, you are asking for trouble.

Learn, enjoy time well wasted. It's what it's all about. Old bittervets like me have no right to haul you down, ignore us when we are crabby.

  Sentime

Novice Member

Joined: 5/10/06
Posts: 278

11/29/12 12:50:36 PM#31
Originally posted by ashleymorrow
I am going to give Eve a try because I want something different and the visuals look beautiful. I am told it has a steep learning curve but that they recently made it more "newbie friendly". Is this true? and are there any guilds that help new players? Anything I should be wary of? Thank you for your time.

 

Right now it's newbie friendly, just don't go into lowsec or nullsec without good friends.

  Rocketeer

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/07/04
Posts: 1310

11/29/12 4:16:07 PM#32

Personally i think, as a newbie, if you join a corp you should join a corp thats used to be at war. Reason being:

a) You get used to war, pvp in a supportive enviroment.

b) Nothing as offputting as seeing your seniors running around like headless chickens and cowering in some station because some random 5 man pirate corp decced them.

 

I think b) is the reason most newbies are being told to be afraid of wardeccs. At no point in your career is a wardec in itself a problem, it only becomes a problem if nobody tells you wtf is going on, made even worse if nothing is actually going on because everyone is hiding in some station. So something like Eve university(even if at war) or RvB, maybe even some FW corps are a perfectly valid corp for a new player to join.

 

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is it a good idea to stay in a NPC corp as a new player(well maybe for a week or two until you got the controls down). It will bore you to tears and make you lonely and miserable. Join a real corp, any corp, and make someone else miserable instead(or be miserable with company). Also don't hesitate to quit a corp if its not how you envisioned it, i have a hard time thinking about a game where corps/guilds can be more different than in EvE. There is literally anything from communist pirate corps, to capitalist moralist corps and anything inbetween in EvE. And thats not even getting into differences due to RP, corp size, leadership(dictatorship, democracy etc), HQ location or moral orientation(some corps for example don't like you shooting neutrals or blues, lots of weird people in eve).

  Rydeson

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Joined: 3/05/07
Posts: 3555

11/30/12 3:30:44 AM#33
Here I go.. giving Eve another try with the 14 day freebie... Will I last that long or delete..  Years ago when I first tried it, it was not newbie friendly at all.. game or community..  We'll see if times have changed..
  Slechtvalk

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Joined: 12/05/05
Posts: 33

11/30/12 3:38:25 AM#34

i dont really think the problems is not knowing how that game works. you will find out through reading.

 

The problem i have with eve is, the playerbase.

 

in 2006 you could fly a cargo ship 30 jumps through lowsec. the chance of not getting potted was high, because pks searched for other players, and not for easy kills.

maybe du to the reputation the corp i have been part of, maybe good luck.

 

my last experiences were, entering 0.3 three times with a transport or something like that and getting potted by 5 players.

i remember whole weeks, where we got wardecked, one week by corp a, if we pay 2.000.000.000 they wont harm us again, and 24 hours after the first week of wardeck, we got wardecked by corp b. not beeing able to leave station for 6 weeks.

 

i friend was on tour with his rattlesnake, and some nice stuff inside and got bombed in 1.0....

 

eve has become too much griefing. i think they can patch 1.0 out, to be honest, there is no safezone in eve.

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
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Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ArcheAge, and Combat Arms

11/30/12 4:11:46 AM#35
Originally posted by Rydeson
Here I go.. giving Eve another try with the 14 day freebie... Will I last that long or delete..  Years ago when I first tried it, it was not newbie friendly at all.. game or community..  We'll see if times have changed..

Crimewatch and the new UI features go a long way toward making a lot more information - needed information - readily available.

 

More info:

 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  User Deleted
11/30/12 4:16:13 AM#36
follow the tutorial very closley and good luck :)
  Rocketeer

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11/30/12 6:34:10 AM#37
Originally posted by Slechtvalk

i dont really think the problems is not knowing how that game works. you will find out through reading.

 

The problem i have with eve is, the playerbase.

 

in 2006 you could fly a cargo ship 30 jumps through lowsec. the chance of not getting potted was high, because pks searched for other players, and not for easy kills.

maybe du to the reputation the corp i have been part of, maybe good luck.

 

my last experiences were, entering 0.3 three times with a transport or something like that and getting potted by 5 players.

i remember whole weeks, where we got wardecked, one week by corp a, if we pay 2.000.000.000 they wont harm us again, and 24 hours after the first week of wardeck, we got wardecked by corp b. not beeing able to leave station for 6 weeks.

 

i friend was on tour with his rattlesnake, and some nice stuff inside and got bombed in 1.0....

 

eve has become too much griefing. i think they can patch 1.0 out, to be honest, there is no safezone in eve.

Sorry but I call BS on that. I distinctly remember gate camps even way back in 2004 in 1.0 security space central hubseven, ganking players and concord(!!) ships alike. Yeah low sec was a bit more empty if you avoided those bordering on high sec, but then again population was like 1/3-1/10 of what we have today. 

Players have not changed, and you have more protection these days then you had back then. How about not suiciding your hauler into a low sec gate camp, which you can see on the map btw, and use a jumpfreighter instead. If you can't afford a JF, you rent the services of one.

Besides why would you fly a RS(which is worth about 3 BS)  in war times is beyond me, that's like cutting yourself up before going swimming with sharks and then complaining about how vicious they are ...

The way i see it, if you can't take care of your stuff its better to take it away and sell it to someone who does. How is that griefing? I'm not doing it to grief you, I'm merely conducting my business which is the redistribution of wealth.

  Uhwop

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11/30/12 2:42:20 PM#38
Originally posted by Slechtvalk

i dont really think the problems is not knowing how that game works. you will find out through reading.

 

The problem i have with eve is, the playerbase.

 

in 2006 you could fly a cargo ship 30 jumps through lowsec. the chance of not getting potted was high, because pks searched for other players, and not for easy kills.

maybe du to the reputation the corp i have been part of, maybe good luck.

 

my last experiences were, entering 0.3 three times with a transport or something like that and getting potted by 5 players.

i remember whole weeks, where we got wardecked, one week by corp a, if we pay 2.000.000.000 they wont harm us again, and 24 hours after the first week of wardeck, we got wardecked by corp b. not beeing able to leave station for 6 weeks.

 

i friend was on tour with his rattlesnake, and some nice stuff inside and got bombed in 1.0....

 

eve has become too much griefing. i think they can patch 1.0 out, to be honest, there is no safezone in eve.

 I apologizre, this is rubish.  Pirates didn't shoot haulers in '06 because they didn't want "easy" targets, they simply weren't there.  There wasn't nearly as many people in low sec in '06.  There's far more reason, and value, to actually go to low sec today. 

Low sec is were pirates live.  If you're flying around in a hauler, especially alone, you should be the most viable target.  Why wouldn't a pirate hijack a cargo ship, that's just silly to think that beacause it's a game and you can't shoot back that they shouldn't shoot you.  Of course they should, well before they shoot anything else. 

Goodness.  People love to use the "eve is real" analogies when they talk about safety in high sec.  "Known criminals don't just walk down the street!" is a favorite mantra of the high sec carebear. 

Well I got one of my own for you.  Somali pirates don't highjack navy ships genius. 

  Rocketeer

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12/01/12 8:05:52 AM#39

Personally i think that one of the things that confuses new players in EvE is that common sense actually applies. That might sound strange, but many  MMOs teach players some artificial rulesets that have less bearing on logic or common sense than they do on game balance. Players are simply not used to actually think about what they do in terms of sensibility.

In EvE however, common sense applies. And flying valueable defenseless vessels into areas where you KNOW that there is no mobile policeforce/army present to acutally enforce laws on your behalf ... is just a bad idea. The same as visibly transporting extremely valuable unsecured goods through an area where there IS a police presence, since obviously they won't act until after you got mugged: "Hey we apprehended the guy that STABBED YOU INTO THE FACE to get your camera, you feel better now"?

 

Aslong as you keep in mind that:

a) Law enforcement is continually pissed at you for being a pod pilot, which basicly makes you an mixture of a celebrity, vigilante and warlord(and thats just the nice ones). They want to stay as far out of the buisness of pod pilots as they can get away with.

b) Your in space, not on the parkdeck of your local walmart store. Its never safe because the empires have a very hard time actually enforcing their laws due to the vastness of ... well duh space(which is why we have hostile npc factions in all but the highest sec space).

 

you basicly will be okay. Just don't expect people to be nice. People are not nice in RL, if those same people start playing a game why would they suddenly become nice?

  n3v3rriv3r

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12/01/12 3:11:49 PM#40
Originally posted by Eleazaros

I'll give you an old quote of mine that I actually used in game on about my second week playing...  3 or 4 of us were pulled out of the rookie help channel into a private channel with a couple "recuriters".  They offered each of us half a million or so isk each if we'd join up with their "new" corporation with a POS in lowsec - if we'd just come down to it to sign up.

I typed this into the channel, everyone lost it laughing -- none of us newbies went down there.

Think of yourself as a small child released into a park full of pedophiles. If anyone offers you anything that requires you to meet them, don't be surprised at what you actually get from the encounter.

Welcome to EVE online.  Pick your friends with care.  There are good groups in the game but trust is a tough thing to work with in this world.

Lol, so true. No it is not new player friendly. It is a good game but.... you have to deal with it ... you will be a prey.

Dynamic, sometimes exciting, other times dull - it is just like how you make it.

You see, it is like in a real capitalistic world with the only difference: in Eve you can remake yourself again and again. If you are  a loser in real world maybe you will succeed in Eve - they offer you a playground where the same mind games are played as in real life but nobody is physically hurt.

 

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