Originally posted by TigerAero

I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.

 

Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.

 

Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.

 

I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.

^^^ The demograhic audience of TOR players..

I am so envious of you, I wish i could be so easily confused and clueless.

Ahhhh to wake up everyday and think that the whole MMO industries jump to FTP has nothing to do with poor quality and boring unoriginal ideas, but is actually catering to welfare recipients. 

Originally posted by lifeordinary
This topic is perfect example that hate and bias always over shadows logic and prudence. How can anyone say 'never' with a straight face is beyond me.

Because EA/Bioware have pretty much said so.

In its current state I seriously do not see an expansion happening at all, unless F2P becomes a roaring success (which looks doubtful in its existing incarnation) and gives EA loads of money.  Logic folows they will have not enough money to do expansions, as the subs are around the 500K mark now maybe even below, and they need 500K subs to break even. It is a miracle they can keep the game running let alone have money to do more expansions.

If the game was not expsnsive to run and they did not need 500K subs then 1) It would not be going F2P and 2) Expansions would probably be possible 3) Most of the people that made Bioware Bioware would not have left 4) There may not have been any layoffs

SWTOR is not your typical MMO. Even WOW probably does not need 500K subs to stay profitable, but it has it and a whole lot more!

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by lifeordinary
This topic is perfect example that hate and bias always over shadows logic and prudence. How can anyone say 'never' with a straight face is beyond me.

Because EA/Bioware have pretty much said so.

In its current state I seriously do not see an expansion happening at all, unless F2P becomes a roaring success (which looks doubtful in its existing incarnation) and gives EA loads of money.  Logic folows they will have not enough money to do expansions, as the subs are around the 500K mark now maybe even below, and they need 500K subs to break even. It is a miracle they can keep the game running let alone have money to do more expansions.

If the game was not expsnsive to run and they did not need 500K subs then 1) It would not be going F2P and 2) Expansions would probably be possible 3) Most of the people that made Bioware Bioware would not have left 4) There may not have been any layoffs

SWTOR is not your typical MMO. Even WOW probably does not need 500K subs to stay profitable, but it has it and a whole lot more!

 

EA / BIOWARE said there 'never' will be an expansion? care to share the link because i would like to read it up.

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by lifeordinary
This topic is perfect example that hate and bias always over shadows logic and prudence. How can anyone say 'never' with a straight face is beyond me.

Because EA/Bioware have pretty much said so.

In its current state I seriously do not see an expansion happening at all, unless F2P becomes a roaring success (which looks doubtful in its existing incarnation) and gives EA loads of money.  Logic folows they will have not enough money to do expansions, as the subs are around the 500K mark now maybe even below, and they need 500K subs to break even. It is a miracle they can keep the game running let alone have money to do more expansions.

If the game was not expsnsive to run and they did not need 500K subs then 1) It would not be going F2P and 2) Expansions would probably be possible 3) Most of the people that made Bioware Bioware would not have left 4) There may not have been any layoffs

SWTOR is not your typical MMO. Even WOW probably does not need 500K subs to stay profitable, but it has it and a whole lot more!

 

EA / BIOWARE said there 'never' will be an expansion? care to share the link because i would like to read it up.

It just seems wishful thinking on your part that there will be an expansion. They have said there will be no more story after 50. I can not find the link for that.

Lets have a look at the evidence.

• They have not mentioned anything about expansions, and said there will be content every 6 weeks
• They say the game needs about 500K subs to break even and the current state is not good and that was back in August, when there was more population than today "The President of EA Labels Frank Gibeau said the Star Wars game would still break even so long as it maintained 500,000 subscribers, but admitted that its current performance was "not good enough"."
• The Doctors have quit Bioware and gaming altogether plus other key Bioware member have quit
• Mass layoffs = less people able to work on expansion

I am confident that there will be an expansion, but the personal story "Act 1,2, interlude" is OVER, no matter if 10 million subs or 200K.

From a story point of view, this was the development of each character from academy to hero status.

Next act has to focus on an epic galaxy spanning threat, where all classes can participate in a more open manner.

Remember, personal story of little sith acolyte becoming dark council member -> done.

Now it´s time for WARS.

STAR WARS!

:D

Originally posted by Yakamomoto

I am confident that there will be an expansion, but the personal story "Act 1,2, interlude" is OVER, no matter if 10 million subs or 200K.

From a story point of view, this was the development of each character from academy to hero status.

 

Next act has to focus on an epic galaxy spanning threat, where all classes can participate in a more open manner.

Remember, personal story of little sith acolyte becoming dark council member -> done.

Now it´s time for WARS.

STAR WARS!

:D

 

I actually might agree with you here. 

And it would make it much easier for Devs to actiually make expansions. No more worries about 8 separate class quests.

Well... we shall see. We are really all treading deep waters here

Does Makeb count as an expansion.

I don't know if you know this, but they FOUND AN ITEM in the Cartel Store called "Unlocks Chapter 4: Rise of The Hutt Cartel".  So I think an expac is coming.

Rift has 150,000 subs (if not less) and they have an expansion.  Why couldn't TOR?   Contrary to popular belief, Voice Acting is not even that expensive. 

Originally posted by BigAndShiny

Does Makeb count as an expansion.

 

I don't know if you know this, but they FOUND AN ITEM in the Cartel Store called "Unlocks Chapter 4: Rise of The Hutt Cartel".  So I think an expac is coming.

 

Rift has 150,000 subs (if not less) and they have an expansion.  Why couldn't TOR?   Contrary to popular belief, Voice Acting is not even that expensive. 

Rift does not need 500K subs to break even, SWTOR does

"The President of EA Labels Frank Gibeau said the Star Wars game would still break even so long as it maintained 500,000 subscribers, but admitted that its current performance was "not good enough"."

That is just needed to keep the game running and functional, for an expansion they would need more than that.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by lifeordinary
This topic is perfect example that hate and bias always over shadows logic and prudence. How can anyone say 'never' with a straight face is beyond me.

Because EA/Bioware have pretty much said so.

In its current state I seriously do not see an expansion happening at all, unless F2P becomes a roaring success (which looks doubtful in its existing incarnation) and gives EA loads of money.  Logic folows they will have not enough money to do expansions, as the subs are around the 500K mark now maybe even below, and they need 500K subs to break even. It is a miracle they can keep the game running let alone have money to do more expansions.

If the game was not expsnsive to run and they did not need 500K subs then 1) It would not be going F2P and 2) Expansions would probably be possible 3) Most of the people that made Bioware Bioware would not have left 4) There may not have been any layoffs

SWTOR is not your typical MMO. Even WOW probably does not need 500K subs to stay profitable, but it has it and a whole lot more!

 

EA / BIOWARE said there 'never' will be an expansion? care to share the link because i would like to read it up.

It just seems wishful thinking on your part that there will be an expansion. They have said there will be no more story after 50. I can not find the link for that.

Lets have a look at the evidence.

• They have not mentioned anything about expansions, and said there will be content every 6 weeks
• They say the game needs about 500K subs to break even and the current state is not good and that was back in August, when there was more population than today "The President of EA Labels Frank Gibeau said the Star Wars game would still break even so long as it maintained 500,000 subscribers, but admitted that its current performance was "not good enough"."
• The Doctors have quit Bioware and gaming altogether plus other key Bioware member have quit
• Mass layoffs = less people able to work on expansion

Do you seriously think there will be an expansion if they do not get their money from F2P?

 

Like I said if F2P becomes a success for EA and gives them loads of money then there probably will be an expansion, but under its current state it is not happening. How can they afford to do an expansion when they are not getting their 500K subs? Trees?

 

My opinion is not down to hate and bias, but logic and prudence, your opinion is down to bias and wishful thinking.

 

tbh the choice should be unlikely more than never, but never is the best choice in that list

So in other words no official info where 'EA / Bioware' said 'never' to an expansion. You could have just said you got nothing and theer would be no need to waste so much space.

I don't give a rats ass about your logic. When you deal in 'absoloutes' and start using words like 'never' means you are quite sure about yourself. That is why i asked for some official info and you gave me none.

People who use logic don't deal in absolutes.  

Originally posted by superniceguy

It just seems wishful thinking on your part that there will be an expansion. They have said there will be no more story after 50. I can not find the link for that.

Lets have a look at the evidence.

• They have not mentioned anything about expansions, and said there will be content every 6 weeks
• They say the game needs about 500K subs to break even and the current state is not good and that was back in August, when there was more population than today "The President of EA Labels Frank Gibeau said the Star Wars game would still break even so long as it maintained 500,000 subscribers, but admitted that its current performance was "not good enough"."
• The Doctors have quit Bioware and gaming altogether plus other key Bioware member have quit
• Mass layoffs = less people able to work on expansion

Do you seriously think there will be an expansion if they do not get their money from F2P?

 

Like I said if F2P becomes a success for EA and gives them loads of money then there probably will be an expansion, but under its current state it is not happening. How can they afford to do an expansion when they are not getting their 500K subs? Trees?

 

My opinion is not down to hate and bias, but logic and prudence, your opinion is down to bias and wishful thinking.

 

tbh the choice should be unlikely more than never, but never is the best choice in that list

Dude you said 'EA/ Bioware' pretty much said so; that is why you were asked to back it up with some official info; You could have just said that it is your own speculation without trying to make it look as if EA / Bioware made an annoucement that there will 'never' be an expansion.

All you gave was some quote about falling subs and your own speculations about how layoffs means less people for expansions and that they didn't say anything about expansion other than content every 6 weeks which somehow translated to 'never'.

I find it very ironic that you are telling him that he is being biased and indulging in ''wishful thinking'.

Originally posted by lifeordinary

tbh the choice should be unlikely more than never, but never is the best choice in that list

So in other words no official info where 'EA / Bioware' said 'never' to an expansion. You could have just said you got nothing and theer would be no need to waste so much space.

I don't give a rats ass about your logic. When you deal in 'absoloutes' and start using words like 'never' means you are quite sure about yourself. That is why i asked for some official info and you gave me none.

People who use logic don't deal in absolutes.  

The name of this thread is "Gues when SWTOR will get the first expansion!"

If everyone in this thread responded, "We can't really make a prediction because EA/Bioware has never made an official statemnet in regard to the possibility of an expansion." It would get pretty "boring" rather "quickly". Of this I'm absolutely sure.

Originally posted by tiefighter25

Originally posted by lifeordinary

tbh the choice should be unlikely more than never, but never is the best choice in that list

So in other words no official info where 'EA / Bioware' said 'never' to an expansion. You could have just said you got nothing and theer would be no need to waste so much space.

I don't give a rats ass about your logic. When you deal in 'absoloutes' and start using words like 'never' means you are quite sure about yourself. That is why i asked for some official info and you gave me none.

People who use logic don't deal in absolutes.  

The name of this thread is "Gues when SWTOR will get the first expansion!"

If everyone in this thread responded, "We can't really make a prediction because EA/Bioware has never made an official statemnet in regard to the possibility of an expansion." It would get pretty "boring" rather "quickly". Of this I'm absolutely sure.

 

Please read again where this argument started from. I expressed my disbelief at people being so sure that there will 'never' be an expansion. Superncieguy quoted me and said that there will be never an expansion because EA / Bioware said so. So i thought maybe some official annocement was made and i asked for some link and all i got  in reply was more speculations and guess work.

I absolutely have nothing against people making predictions. But when you say 'EA / Bioware' said there will be no expansion it is not a guess work anymore and naturaly someone is going to ask you for the official statement.

Originally posted by lalartu

yeah, most of us were like ...never?

 

Unless f2p is considered to be an expenasion, in which case, pretty damn soon.

Although I would call it...what's the opposite of expansion? contraction?

hahah good one

Originally posted by defector1968

i know how trhey work, i owned a chain store, i've seen contracts canceled (with settlements or forced), nothing is solid.

and plz dont play the smart guy in conversations

also concidering that the crowd will never learn the whole truth.

So you think EA would spend $250 million+ developing and advertising an MMO that can be shut down within the first couple of years by a fickle IP holder?  I seriously doubt that LA has the ability to completely shut down SWTOR in the first few years.  Plus why would they?  It's the only star wars MMO going and it will take 5+ years to make a new one. 

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Originally posted by Yakamomoto

I am confident that there will be an expansion, but the personal story "Act 1,2, interlude" is OVER, no matter if 10 million subs or 200K.

From a story point of view, this was the development of each character from academy to hero status.

 

Next act has to focus on an epic galaxy spanning threat, where all classes can participate in a more open manner.

Remember, personal story of little sith acolyte becoming dark council member -> done.

Now it´s time for WARS.

STAR WARS!

:D

 

I actually might agree with you here. 

And it would make it much easier for Devs to actiually make expansions. No more worries about 8 separate class quests.

Well... we shall see. We are really all treading deep waters here

You know that is only my speculation, but it would be the most logical thing. Why?

- Story Dramaturgy.

Bioware had long term plans from the very beginning, before the F2P sword stabbed into their belly... guts spilling out, blood everywhere, nasy smell and all. But, BW has a good surgeon and this is EA.

EA is now defibrillating the patient, some doctors put the patient into an artificial coma and sexy nurses are cleaning up the emergency room blood bath.

So anyway, you get the picture. Now they can continue on their original plans and continue the story and take it into a climax, a galaxy spanning threat, all lvl 50 heros unite, with massive space sim battles, add a third faction, several massive sandbox planets with 1000x1000x1000 open world PvP, vehicle combat, 1000% speeders, atmospheric flight and hundreds of fighters jets attacking vital bases of the enemies!!!!

YEEEESSSSS !!!!

Originally posted by lifeordinary
This topic is perfect example that hate and bias always over shadows logic and prudence. How can anyone say 'never' with a straight face is beyond me.

the topic asks us to GUESS. Not to scientifically deduce.

I don't think they'll get an expansion because they don't have a population-stable core to expand upon. Nobody in his right mind will take a financial investment when the present investments arent recovered yet and have signs they won be recovered ever.

can someone with a straight face say "i'm investing in a swtor expansion" ?

Maybe the writing is wrong, but...

I'm not sure if they are willing to invest since they do not know if Disney is going to renew the contract.