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  TigerAero

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11/03/12 9:38:35 PM#41
The low income people got to have their way with another game. It's a sad day...I've just uinstalled it. :*-(
  TigerAero

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11/03/12 9:51:54 PM#42

I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.

 

Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.

 

Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.

 

I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.

  Gurpslord

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You can't be a hero hiding underneath your bed.

11/03/12 9:54:13 PM#43
Originally posted by TigerAero

I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.

 

Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.

 

Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.

 

I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.

Umm..  

wut?

These games didn't go F2P because of some massive economic failure or because gamers decided they needed gamer welfare.  They went F2P because they sucked and had no other choice as a majority of those WILLING to pay for it were smarter than to do so.

Present company excluded obviously.

  tiefighter25

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11/03/12 9:56:49 PM#44
Originally posted by TigerAero
The low income people got to have their way with another game. It's a sad day...I've just uinstalled it. :*-(

Don't mistake someone pissing on your shoe as rain.

In the new freemium system, assuming 100 cartel coins = $1 US, basic feature unlocks cost $28.

Since the game is $15, that's $8 more.

If a FTP player wants to play the OPs, FPs, and Warzones all month, (note no Space on rails missions) that is $29 a month. That's $14 more a month then a subscription.

The new "Freemium" system is at best a heavily restricted trial to level 50.

At worst it is a system designed to both hide subscription numbers and give EA the oppurtunity to make more money per subscriber via micro-transactions in the new cash shop.

  TigerAero

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11/03/12 10:00:42 PM#45
Originally posted by tiefighter25
Originally posted by TigerAero
The low income people got to have their way with another game. It's a sad day...I've just uinstalled it. :*-(

Don't mistake someone pissing on your shoe as rain.

In the new freemium system, assuming 100 cartel coins = $1 US, basic feature unlocks cost $28.

Since the game is $15, that's $8 more.

If a FTP player wants to play the OPs, FPs, and Warzones all month, (note no Space on rails missions) that is $29 a month. That's $14 more a month then a subscription.

The new "Freemium" system is at best a heavily restricted trial to level 50.

At worst it is a system designed to both hide subscription numbers and give EA the oppurtunity to make more money per subscriber via micro-transactions in the new cash shop.

That's pretty cool. The game is F2P now though and I've just got this thing against allowing myself too much free crap. Trying to keep this barrier up in my life so I'm not looking to freeload everything.

  TigerAero

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11/03/12 10:00:42 PM#46
[double post---posting took over 2 minutes!?]
  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/03/12 10:02:29 PM#47
Originally posted by TigerAero

I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.

 

Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.

 

Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.

 

I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.

75% of people who bought the game have quit, so that means all those 75% / 1.5 million people are lazy etc, and 500K are not?

It is going F2P because EA are greedy and have seen the HUGE successes of other games gone F2P, and think their version is going to do the same! Except their version is not the same and more restrictive

Also GW2 is F2P (or B2P) and if you do not like F2P, then why play that and not WOW or Rift or TSW, which are not yet fully F2P?

  TigerAero

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11/03/12 10:04:54 PM#48
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by TigerAero

I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.

 

Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.

 

Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.

 

I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.

75% of people who bought the game have quit, so that means all those 75% / 1.5 million people are lazy etc, and 500K are not?

It is going F2P because EA are greedy and have seen the HUGE successes of other games gone F2P, and think their version is going to do the same! Except their version is not the same and more restrictive

Also GW2 is F2P (or B2P) and if you do not like F2P, then why play that and WOW or Rift or TSW, which are not yet fully F2P?

Because of freeloaders. They are against everything I value in life. If one freeloader can enjoy max level and items in a game, that game I wil never play.

 

I have played WoW but I have 4x 90's now and decided enough is enough. I tried Rift, didn't like the soul thing and currently playing TSW. I didn't mention it above because it's a sub game and we were talking about free-ish games.

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/03/12 10:08:50 PM#49
Originally posted by TigerAero
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by TigerAero

I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.

 

Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.

 

Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.

 

I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.

75% of people who bought the game have quit, so that means all those 75% / 1.5 million people are lazy etc, and 500K are not?

It is going F2P because EA are greedy and have seen the HUGE successes of other games gone F2P, and think their version is going to do the same! Except their version is not the same and more restrictive

Also GW2 is F2P (or B2P) and if you do not like F2P, then why play that and WOW or Rift or TSW, which are not yet fully F2P?

Because of freeloaders. They are against everything I value in life. If one freeloader can enjoy max level and items in a game, that game I wil never play.

 

I have played WoW but I have 4x 90's now and decided enough is enough. I tried Rift, didn't like the soul thing and currently playing TSW. I didn't mention it above because it's a sub game and we were talking about free-ish games.

You are a freeloader by playing GW2. That game is more free than SWTOR

  tiefighter25

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Joined: 7/30/12
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11/03/12 10:11:30 PM#50
Originally posted by TigerAero
 

Because of freeloaders. They are against everything I value in life. If one freeloader can enjoy max level and items in a game, that game I wil never play.

 

I have played WoW but I have 4x 90's now and decided enough is enough. I tried Rift, didn't like the soul thing and currently playing TSW. I didn't mention it above because it's a sub game and we were talking about free-ish games.

I'll try a different tack.

No worries, SWTOR is still your game,

Any FTP players who want to enjoy max level items will be paying DOUBLE of what a subscriber pays.

Even better, EA is counting on subscribers to both pay on average equally for a subscription and items purchased in the cartel shop.

So your fears are unfounded. There will be no freeloaders in SWTOR. (Unless you want to be a wisenheimer and call the developers freeloaders for expecting people to pay more and more for less and less content.)

  defector1968

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11/03/12 10:24:37 PM#51
Originally posted by Gurpslord
Originally posted by defector1968
Originally posted by Gurpslord
Originally posted by defector1968

now that the lucas films are in Disney, i think and the rights of the games are in disney.

if they are, we may see Disney force EA to cancel the contruct for the game if finds it unprofitable.

just a thought.

It's VERY difficult to "force" someone to cancel a contract.  That's why it's a contract.  EA has an existing contract with Lucasarts and that contract is rock solid.  Star Wars remains, as far as MMO is concerned, an IP that EA gets to use for another 5 years or so I would imagine.  Don't go hoping that just because some other company owns the building that it's going to redesign all the rooms.

i know its difficult but not imposible, it happend with big companies and many times with chain stores.

and as ppl say, hope dies last.

There would have to be a reason for them to go thru all the legal hoops with EA to try to get them to cancel a clearly legal and rock solid contract.  Can you think of one?  Don't say because they want to make a new MMO, because lets face it, this last few years hasn't exactly said to investors, "HEY LETS MAKE MOAR MMO GAMES AND LOOSE MONEY!".  Two Star Wars MMo's have been stinkers in the past, Disney is many things but foolish with they're money and they're IPs is not one.

SWTOR will remain EA's turd for the forseable future, hope if you want, but keep yourself grounded in the reality of how the business works.  You've got well over 10 years of MMO gameing history to fall back on to tell you what's going to happen with this title.

i know how trhey work, i owned a chain store, i've seen contracts canceled (with settlements or forced), nothing is solid.

and plz dont play the smart guy in conversations

also concidering that the crowd will never learn the whole truth.

  Kuinn

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Joined: 1/10/11
Posts: 2058

11/04/12 1:58:30 AM#52
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Wow... so many trolls. Never? That is way over the top! If failures like Age of Conan and DDO got expansions, then I am pretty sure the #2 sub-based MMO is due for one or more, that being SWTOR. But yet, because people expected the game to reinvent the wheel and it didn't, we get this torrential downpour of negativity. Where is all the negativity for TSW , WoW, and GW2? This community is really biased... smh.

I like swtor, played for 8 months and enjoyed it for the most part, but the thing that I enjoyed most about it was the leveling experience and that was mainly due the story, and thats the problem.

 

For a SWTOR expantion pack to be worth it, it would need to add 3/4 planets and continue with chapter 4 of the class story, thats 8 class stories, 16 voice actors for the main protagonists, 40 for companions and then all the supporting cast. Then ontop of that you have to voice the content on the 3/4 planets, then you have the flashpoints to voice, thats alot of voice actors to employ. Then you have to think about things like adding new classes, and all the voice work that would need.

 

I would love an expantion pack if I'm honest. Loved the agent story and the ending made me want more, I'm just not convinced it's cost effective due to all the voice work needed and tbh, if it didnt have all the voice work I dont think it would be worth coming back for.

 

This, I have the exact same feelings.

 

I love the leveling in SWTOR, I actually went back to do 2 story arcs more just recently, I was supposed to wait for the F2P but I needed some Star Wars fill and decided to drop one month pay. The leveling however is one of the biggest problems of this game indeed, from a mmorpg perspective, the game becomes so empty after you are done with it. I played an Agent at release, and I felt like there's absolutely nothing to do after the story was done since I'm not much into raiding.

 

They propably planned to create expansions and continue the story bits, but the problem is they also thought this game will have like at least 2 mil subscribers after the honeymoon period. That's crazy considering that the game ends after the leveling experience unless you want to continue with basic raiding or instanced PvP.

 

It's sad and upsetting to witness how a dev team can be so arrogant. They have little experience on MMO's but dont listen to their customers at all, and like kids try to blame failure on everything else. It's a nice game for many parts imo, but it just does not work very well as a mmorpg and does not have longevity.

 

Where DID all the money go? They had huge crew making this game. It would have been so easy to implement swoop/pod-racing miningame like the current space game, and rather put 3D space game instead, with multiplayer, heck even delay it if it would have been so hard to make. Not to mention allow people to play pazaak at cantinas, something I was really much expecting for my boredom moments, but no, nothing. Story -> Raiding, PvP, or Nothing. Not what you expect from a huge team.

 

Meh, I'm stretching this post, I just want to like this game more, damn arrogant assholes leading these dev teams into oblivion and damn EA for turning everything into shit.

  Rydeson

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11/04/12 4:24:47 AM#53
Originally posted by Yakamomoto
Originally posted by deakon
I actually like swtor, played it for over 8 months, but even i picked never and unless something major happens to bring players back I will stick with that option

The game has potential, but it needs a NGE (in a good way).. a new planet and some polishing here and there won't cut it

 

     SWTOR needs a NGE in the worst way.. I really don't see it lasting more then a year or two..  It's just too much of a linear themepark ride into bordom..  Some planets are ok like Tatooine, while others are just nothing more then a mouse maze like Nar Shaddaa.. Talk about Skinner's box coming to an MMO.. lol  If I was in charge of the "redo" of SWTOR I would start by shit canning  most of the storyline BS..  I personally play an MMO to make and live "MY" story, not some canned one that a dev makes every class go thru..  I would expand on some planets, and completely remake others.. I would also probably can 90% of the general questing as well and make the planets more dynamic like what GW2 and Rift are doing..   EVENTS are the wave of the future, not quest hubs..  

     Change space combat to more like Eve, or E&B.. The single player space on rails is ok for a Xbox, but not for a living MMO.. Even space combat like Star Trek Online is better then TOR.. It has to change..  I would also like more distraction activities to do when not out getting experience, such as pod racing, or multi-player snowspeeder missions and whatnots..

  Yakamomoto

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OP  11/04/12 4:36:16 AM#54
Originally posted by TigerAero

Because of freeloaders. They are against everything I value in life. If one freeloader can enjoy max level and items in a game, that game I wil never play.

 

I have played WoW but I have 4x 90's now and decided enough is enough. I tried Rift, didn't like the soul thing and currently playing TSW. I didn't mention it above because it's a sub game and we were talking about free-ish games.

Your statement anbout the freeloaders is wrong.

As pointed out by someone else, if a freeloader unlocks all the features for a months with cartel coins he pays 28$, instead of 15$ for a "all-inclusive" sub month.

lvl 1-50 without paying anything will be atrocious and crippled, I can´t believe any freeloader will have fun playing like that.

Quicktravel: extra payment

More than 5 warzones a week: extra payment

Playing OPs: extra payment

Playing Railshooter: extra payment

Playing more than 3 flashpoints a week: extra payment

Equipping artifact items: extra payment

and so forth, the list goes on...

 

  muffins89

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11/04/12 4:39:11 AM#55
Originally posted by Yakamomoto
Originally posted by TigerAero

Because of freeloaders. They are against everything I value in life. If one freeloader can enjoy max level and items in a game, that game I wil never play.

 

I have played WoW but I have 4x 90's now and decided enough is enough. I tried Rift, didn't like the soul thing and currently playing TSW. I didn't mention it above because it's a sub game and we were talking about free-ish games.

Your statement anbout the freeloaders is wrong.

As pointed out by someone else, if a freeloader unlocks all the features for a months with cartel coins he pays 28$, instead of 15$ for a "all-inclusive" sub month.

lvl 1-50 without paying anything will be atrocious and crippled, I can´t believe any freeloader will have fun playing like that.

Quicktravel: extra payment

More than 5 warzones a week: extra payment

Playing OPs: extra payment

Playing Railshooter: extra payment

Playing more than 3 flashpoints a week: extra payment

Equipping artifact items: extra payment

and so forth, the list goes on...

 

is that what thier free to play model is like?  why not just sell some lightsaber skins and ewok mini pets?  that sounds terrible.

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  Yakamomoto

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OP  11/04/12 4:46:09 AM#56
Originally posted by muffins89
Originally posted by Yakamomoto
Originally posted by TigerAero

Because of freeloaders. They are against everything I value in life. If one freeloader can enjoy max level and items in a game, that game I wil never play.

 

I have played WoW but I have 4x 90's now and decided enough is enough. I tried Rift, didn't like the soul thing and currently playing TSW. I didn't mention it above because it's a sub game and we were talking about free-ish games.

Your statement anbout the freeloaders is wrong.

As pointed out by someone else, if a freeloader unlocks all the features for a months with cartel coins he pays 28$, instead of 15$ for a "all-inclusive" sub month.

lvl 1-50 without paying anything will be atrocious and crippled, I can´t believe any freeloader will have fun playing like that.

Quicktravel: extra payment

More than 5 warzones a week: extra payment

Playing OPs: extra payment

Playing Railshooter: extra payment

Playing more than 3 flashpoints a week: extra payment

Equipping artifact items: extra payment

and so forth, the list goes on...

 

is that what thier free to play model is like?  why not just sell some lightsaber skins and ewok mini pets?  that sounds terrible.

basically yes, that is the F2P model. Nickel and dime for many many things, but on the other hand you are able to pay exactly for what you want/need.

hating space missions? don´t pay for it

hating PvP? don´t pay for a Warzone pass..

not raiding? skip the OPs pass..

 

It´s full customization of the game experience

  muffins89

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11/04/12 5:02:01 AM#57
it's an interesting take on f2p i guess.  i've never heard of game going to such lengths.  i havent played many f2p titles though.  could work i guess if the player wasnt constantly reminded of a cash shop.  althought if it's as limited as it sounds it might remind the players quite often.

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  Zinzan

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11/04/12 5:13:50 AM#58
Originally posted by muffins89
it's an interesting take on f2p i guess.  i've never heard of game going to such lengths.  i havent played many f2p titles though.  could work i guess if the player wasnt constantly reminded of a cash shop.  althought if it's as limited as it sounds it might remind the players quite often.

They invested a massive amount of cash into developing SWTOR, they have to do something with it before it dies a death and F2P is the only option they have.

This game haemorraged subs alarmingly fast, it was a horrific failure in that department.

I bought it, i played it for 2 months, enjoyed the single-player game and storyline, played 4-5 of them to completion but then what? PvP? Fun for a few weeks but after that, limited, repetitive, pointless. Dungeons? good fun first time through but after that, repetitive, boring, pointless.

This is the problem with a lot of modern themepark "mmo's", they are single player games with optional multiplayer aspects and can be completed quite quickly. Unless they plan on WEEKLY content updates or SIGNIFICANT monthly updates, forget it and go F2P. other similar, more modern games such as TSW have suffered the same problem.

Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy :)

  Kuinn

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11/04/12 7:45:46 AM#59

Btw Makeb-patch increases level cap, does that count towards expansion? :P It's possible that their initial plan was to release expansion for 2012 xmas, but since the layoffs and mishaps it's possible that they have cut down the expansion and adds stuff in patches when ready and possible.

  Swanea

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11/04/12 7:55:31 AM#60
I expect they will package the "space thing" and the makelb together and call it an xpac.
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