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General Discussion  » I really don't understand the bashing against GW2

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  bcbully

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11/03/12 10:00:54 AM#221
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by bcbully
 

Oh I did. I posted in it a lot too.  Here is the third post from the thread.

"I wish you never showed me this so I could have been surprised. :)"  

There is nothing to explain. Just own it.  

 

There was a lot of twisting and hyping going on. Learn a lesson and move on. I learned my lesson with TSW. I do not believe I twisted any facts about the game leading up to launch, but I hyped the hell out the game, because I was hype as hell... I believe a lot of people read what I wrote and may have been disappointed when my glowing superlatives didn't match up with their expirenece. 

how are meta event bosses like the dragons not open world raid encounters? this was what the point in the videos were and still the point now.. i have done the dragons and they are very much open world raids.. but again you can believe what you want

My point is that this was not the point of you thread on Aug. 18th  "Raiding in GW2 **Videos**" You even went as far to compare "raiding" in GW2 to raiding in WoW. Here is your OP of that thread. 

 

Aero - 

"Since this has been such a hot topic just wanted to give an example of a raid sample in GW2. This is not a max level boss this is around level 60 stuff. AGAIN not level 80 stuff here only 50-60 range stuff

Boss fight "The Shatterer"

Guild Wars 2 Raid [HD]

Another video of same fight with better commentary

videos do NOT have proper difficulty scaling they are old demo videos. 

personally for me I never was a raider type so being able to jump into massive battles without worring about specific meet up times and hoping you get everyone to show up is a huge plus for me. I enjoyed the open world boss types in Rift and this is a  step forward from that so anyways.. enjoy

here's 2 videos showing low level stuff with proper scaling to show difficulty in fights a little better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGbY8s_r6NE#t=5m42s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIvyUUFNiH8

and for comparison a Cata raid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT2epGABRsE  in case anyone needed a reminder

another wow raid since the one I posted above wasn't "good" enough  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0kfS8-KB0"

 

 This thread was misleading and contributed to the hype and the backlash  we are talking about here. Don't move the goal post, own it and move one.  This is my last post on this topic concerning you. 

  Presbytier

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11/03/12 10:03:06 AM#222
Originally posted by Torgrim

GW2 is a AAA product right?

There is plenty of content for everyone?

You are not forced into a roll in a dungeon run?

You are not forced to play in your homeland you can travel and meet up friends right?

Ohh, did I forget to say It's buy and play.

Guild Wars 2 have huge amount of content for players to experince when they buy the game and still this game is attacked from all side like a common sub game.

Why is that?

GW2 is a good game, but I do have a few things against it.

  1. The story is absolutely nonessential and not very well written.
  2. The standerd heart quests feel comepletely discontecting and are less engageing the quest hubs(they are aslo just a bunch of kill ten things, fetch five things).
  3. The lack of roles end up making dungeons dull zergfests with little strategy whatsoever.
  4. Excesive botting to the point the average player will probably see a couple dozen a night.

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  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

11/03/12 10:04:15 AM#223
Originally posted by bcbully
 

My point is that this was not the point of you thread on Aug. 18th  "Raiding in GW2 **Videos**" You even went as far to compare "raiding" in GW2 to raiding in WoW. Here is your OP of that thread. 

 

Aero - 

"Since this has been such a hot topic just wanted to give an example of a raid sample in GW2. This is not a max level boss this is around level 60 stuff. AGAIN not level 80 stuff here only 50-60 range stuff

Boss fight "The Shatterer"

Guild Wars 2 Raid [HD]

Another video of same fight with better commentary

videos do NOT have proper difficulty scaling they are old demo videos. 

personally for me I never was a raider type so being able to jump into massive battles without worring about specific meet up times and hoping you get everyone to show up is a huge plus for me. I enjoyed the open world boss types in Rift and this is a  step forward from that so anyways.. enjoy

here's 2 videos showing low level stuff with proper scaling to show difficulty in fights a little better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGbY8s_r6NE#t=5m42s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIvyUUFNiH8

and for comparison a Cata raid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT2epGABRsE  in case anyone needed a reminder

another wow raid since the one I posted above wasn't "good" enough  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0kfS8-KB0"

 

 This thread was misleading and contributed to the hype and the backlash  we are talking about here. Don't move the goal post, own it and move one.  This is my last post on this topic concerning you. 

again read the rest of the thread it's all discussed in there but you can go on and continue your crusade or whatever it is.. and again meta events are open world raids just as they were in older MMOs many years ago

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  Icewhite

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11/03/12 10:04:32 AM#224
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Sorry, but GW2 players / fans are at home here. Permanent negative spammers are not, as per the forum rules.

That's in the hands of the mods.  Of course, 'moderator unfairness' is just one more piece of ammunition, but that's a message board Konstant everywhere.

If side A and side B both set the sanctimony aside for a week or so...ya'll might be able to resume conversations without reliably degrading into the same thread as last week, or the week before.

Whatever.  I get pretty damn sanctimonious too, particularly on weekends.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Papadam

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Posts: 2127

11/03/12 10:08:49 AM#225
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Papadam

OK so what weve learned from this thread is that there are no bad things about GW2 and anyone who is saying anything negative is either payed or are just having "themepark burnout".

 

And GW2 players who bash other games have all the right to do so.

guess you haven't read or understood much of anything.. but good to know:)

Maybe hyperbole but still close enough to the truth. 

or maybe that is just the impression outsiders like me get when reading the posts of people like you. (and the OP)

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  ChrisReitz

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11/03/12 10:12:22 AM#226
This part of the internet is all haters. its like asking a piece of coal why are you black?
  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

11/03/12 10:14:30 AM#227
Originally posted by Papadam
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Papadam

OK so what weve learned from this thread is that there are no bad things about GW2 and anyone who is saying anything negative is either payed or are just having "themepark burnout".

 

And GW2 players who bash other games have all the right to do so.

guess you haven't read or understood much of anything.. but good to know:)

Maybe hyperbole but still close enough to the truth. 

or maybe that is just the impression outsiders like me get when reading the posts of people like you. (and the OP)

so you can tell me there is no difference between someone bashing a game they don't play have gotten a refund from or have no interest in? yet continue to come here to bash the game... against people who do play have concerns about aspects of the game and want to discuss the issues they have.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  brett7018

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Joined: 11/20/03
Posts: 183

11/03/12 10:24:37 AM#228
Originally posted by eyelolled

First off, you need to realize some things.

GW2 doesn't have FFA OWPvP with full loot and permadeath so it's not hardcore enough for all us internet gangstas.  It's obviously a fail game.

GW2 isn't a sandbox, so it's way too themepark for all us dedicated sandboxers. It's obviously a fail game.

GW2 is just another fantasy themed mmorpg, which is so unrealistic compared to my ultramodern fantasy setting. Obviously a fail game.

GW2 doesn't have mounts, and I like being mounted. Obviously a ....    wait that didn't sound right.

GW2 is F2P and I like the feeling that someone's hand is in my pocket at least once a month.   Obviously a ....     wait, that didn't sound right either.

GW2 has no raids, and raids are how us elitists get our elitist gear, and with no elitist gear, than how can we be elitist and that means I don't exist, and if I don't exist than obviously GW2 is a fail game.

 

/end of sarcstic rant

(oh and btw, I do realize it's B2P, it was intentional)

 

EDIT: It was not my intent to offend anybody that may hold true to any of the descriptions I provided. This post was made with a healthy dose of parody

Love it!  Pretty much sums it up right here :)  

God forbid people should actually just enjoy playing a game!  

  Nacario

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Posts: 221

The real world is roleplay and background noise

11/03/12 10:25:03 AM#229
Originally posted by Torgrim

GW2 is a AAA product right?

There is plenty of content for everyone?

You are not forced into a roll in a dungeon run?

You are not forced to play in your homeland you can travel and meet up friends right?

Ohh, did I forget to say It's buy and play.

Guild Wars 2 have huge amount of content for players to experince when they buy the game and still this game is attacked from all side like a common sub game.

Why is that?

GW2 is a AAA product, they did a great job. At the same time, just because something is great doesnt mean it appeals to everyone. It's the same in real life. Each MMO has their own set of systems that makes a crowd stay.

 

Because some people dont like:

That the world is divided into several zones with portals between. The world feels disconnected.

It has elements to support longveity, but it lacks MMO elements, i.e. inspect, duels.

No world PvP

The mist and the world is seperated, gear cant be brought over.

Lack of risk concerning death. You die, you get up. Same thing in WvW.

Need GvG, running SPvP gets tiresome.

Lack of community feel - elements distinguishing direct teamwork in activities.

 

Personally? Im just more into a true open non instanced world with possibilities of WPvP.

The reason why you dont understand this could be because you havent tried various MMO styles, i.e. 10 years back in time till this day.

  gordiflu

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Posts: 764

11/03/12 10:26:52 AM#230
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Papadam
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Papadam

OK so what weve learned from this thread is that there are no bad things about GW2 and anyone who is saying anything negative is either payed or are just having "themepark burnout".

 

And GW2 players who bash other games have all the right to do so.

guess you haven't read or understood much of anything.. but good to know:)

Maybe hyperbole but still close enough to the truth. 

or maybe that is just the impression outsiders like me get when reading the posts of people like you. (and the OP)

so you can tell me there is no difference between someone bashing a game they don't play have gotten a refund from or have no interest in? yet continue to come here to bash the game... against people who do play have concerns about aspects of the game and want to discuss the issues they have.

I have seen (and I bet you also have) many GW2 fanbois bashing other games even before GW2 was on Beta. The ravid fanboism of all the zealot GW2 fanbois created this reaction. I have even seen some *censored* log onto other games I was playing just to go on Global and let us know that our present game would be dead as soon as GW2 is out. GW2 was going to kill WoW, revolution the genre and be close to the second coming of the Mesiah.

When exploiters, bots, bugs and gold farmers appeared, like they do in any other game (cos in the end GW2 is just another game, a good one but just another game), what reaction were you expecting?

No, I am not playing this game (no hate either, just saying). One of the reasons for doing so is the out of proportion very fanboic fanboism of the most fanboic fanbois I have ever seen. I remember when I posted exactly that in some thread, prior to release. I got flamed to the bones, and a temporary ban. All the fanbois attacked like angry hienas.

So, if the OP can't understand all the bashing, well, he just needs to check all the fanbois. Action and reaction.

  Mothanos

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11/03/12 10:32:33 AM#231

You hit me i hit you back, forums are like this.
You hate me i hate you
You talk trash i talk trash
You spit me i spit you back

Trolls / flame bait make sure this will never end and it only gets worse.

For me GW2 beats any other mmo i have ever played, and that is whats importand for me no matter what people are trying to say.

Trying to prove them wrong is what they want so they can troll more.
Stop caring for those trolls and flamebait posts.

Haters gonne hate.

  Aerowyn

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11/03/12 10:34:05 AM#232
Originally posted by gordiflu
 

I have seen (and I bet you also have) many GW2 fanbois bashing other games even before GW2 was on Beta. The ravid fanboism of all the zealot GW2 fanbois created this reaction. I have even seen some *censored* log onto other games I was playing just to go on Global and let us know that our present game would be dead as soon as GW2 is out. GW2 was going to kill WoW, revolution the genre and be close to the second coming of the Mesiah.

When exploiters, bots, bugs and gold farmers appeared, like they do in any other game (cos in the end GW2 is just another game, a good one but just another game), what reaction were you expecting?

No, I am not playing this game (no hate either, just saying). One of the reasons for doing so is the out of proportion very fanboic fanboism of the most fanboic fanbois I have ever seen. I remember when I posted exactly that in some thread, prior to release. I got flamed to the bones, and a temporary ban. All the fanbois attacked like angry hienas.

So, if the OP can't understand all the bashing, well, he just needs to check all the fanbois. Action and reaction.

yes this happened and people should of reported them and those people should of gotten a temp ban or whatever.. but basically you are saying it's ok because it's just payback from a select couple of people not to mention which is also against the forums posting rules.. still love all the labeling, stereotyping and prejudice that goes on on these forums.. sad really

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Papadam

Novice Member

Joined: 12/09/07
Posts: 2127

11/03/12 10:34:52 AM#233
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Papadam
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Papadam

OK so what weve learned from this thread is that there are no bad things about GW2 and anyone who is saying anything negative is either payed or are just having "themepark burnout".

 

And GW2 players who bash other games have all the right to do so.

guess you haven't read or understood much of anything.. but good to know:)

Maybe hyperbole but still close enough to the truth. 

or maybe that is just the impression outsiders like me get when reading the posts of people like you. (and the OP)

so you can tell me there is no difference between someone bashing a game they don't play have gotten a refund from or have no interest in? yet continue to come here to bash the game... against people who do play have concerns about aspects of the game and want to discuss the issues they have.

Whats your point? Every MMOs released gets bashed here, just look at AoC or Swtor who were bashed alot more then GW2. There are people who bash LotrO even if they havent played it for 5 years...

GW2 fans treating it like its the Jesus of gaming just makes people want to bash it some more. 

If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd

  gordiflu

Novice Member

Joined: 1/22/07
Posts: 764

11/03/12 10:36:29 AM#234
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by gordiflu
 

I have seen (and I bet you also have) many GW2 fanbois bashing other games even before GW2 was on Beta. The ravid fanboism of all the zealot GW2 fanbois created this reaction. I have even seen some *censored* log onto other games I was playing just to go on Global and let us know that our present game would be dead as soon as GW2 is out. GW2 was going to kill WoW, revolution the genre and be close to the second coming of the Mesiah.

When exploiters, bots, bugs and gold farmers appeared, like they do in any other game (cos in the end GW2 is just another game, a good one but just another game), what reaction were you expecting?

No, I am not playing this game (no hate either, just saying). One of the reasons for doing so is the out of proportion very fanboic fanboism of the most fanboic fanbois I have ever seen. I remember when I posted exactly that in some thread, prior to release. I got flamed to the bones, and a temporary ban. All the fanbois attacked like angry hienas.

So, if the OP can't understand all the bashing, well, he just needs to check all the fanbois. Action and reaction.

yes this happened and people should of reported them and those people should of gotten a temp ban or whatever.. but basically you are saying it's ok because it's just payback from a select couple of people not to mention which is also against the forums posting rules.. still love all the labeling, stereotyping and prejudice that goes on on these forums.. sad really

No, I am not saying it is OK.

I am only saying that it is not surprising, neither hard to understand.

  Aerowyn

Novice Member

Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

11/03/12 10:37:13 AM#235
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by gordiflu
 

I have seen (and I bet you also have) many GW2 fanbois bashing other games even before GW2 was on Beta. The ravid fanboism of all the zealot GW2 fanbois created this reaction. I have even seen some *censored* log onto other games I was playing just to go on Global and let us know that our present game would be dead as soon as GW2 is out. GW2 was going to kill WoW, revolution the genre and be close to the second coming of the Mesiah.

When exploiters, bots, bugs and gold farmers appeared, like they do in any other game (cos in the end GW2 is just another game, a good one but just another game), what reaction were you expecting?

No, I am not playing this game (no hate either, just saying). One of the reasons for doing so is the out of proportion very fanboic fanboism of the most fanboic fanbois I have ever seen. I remember when I posted exactly that in some thread, prior to release. I got flamed to the bones, and a temporary ban. All the fanbois attacked like angry hienas.

So, if the OP can't understand all the bashing, well, he just needs to check all the fanbois. Action and reaction.

yes this happened and people should of reported them and those people should of gotten a temp ban or whatever.. but basically you are saying it's ok because it's just payback from a select couple of people not to mention which is also against the forums posting rules.. still love all the labeling, stereotyping and prejudice that goes on on these forums.. sad really

No, I am not saying it is OK.

I am only saying that it is not surprising, neither hard to understand.

in that I will agree

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  bcbully

Elite Member

Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7978

11/03/12 10:41:46 AM#236
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by bcbully
 

My point is that this was not the point of you thread on Aug. 18th  "Raiding in GW2 **Videos**" You even went as far to compare "raiding" in GW2 to raiding in WoW. Here is your OP of that thread. 

 

Aero - 

"Since this has been such a hot topic just wanted to give an example of a raid sample in GW2. This is not a max level boss this is around level 60 stuff. AGAIN not level 80 stuff here only 50-60 range stuff

Boss fight "The Shatterer"

Guild Wars 2 Raid [HD]

Another video of same fight with better commentary

videos do NOT have proper difficulty scaling they are old demo videos. 

personally for me I never was a raider type so being able to jump into massive battles without worring about specific meet up times and hoping you get everyone to show up is a huge plus for me. I enjoyed the open world boss types in Rift and this is a  step forward from that so anyways.. enjoy

here's 2 videos showing low level stuff with proper scaling to show difficulty in fights a little better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGbY8s_r6NE#t=5m42s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIvyUUFNiH8

and for comparison a Cata raid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT2epGABRsE  in case anyone needed a reminder

another wow raid since the one I posted above wasn't "good" enough  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0kfS8-KB0"

 

 This thread was misleading and contributed to the hype and the backlash  we are talking about here. Don't move the goal post, own it and move one.  This is my last post on this topic concerning you. 

again read the rest of the thread it's all discussed in there but you can go on and continue your crusade or whatever it is.. and again meta events are open world raids just as they were in older MMOs many years ago

Sorry one more post so that the point of our conversation is not lost. Today you said that "GW2 - no raids... all that was known for a very long time.. if that's what upset people that's really their own fault.."

No, post like your post on Aug 18th contributed to the hype and mislead. I agree with the first part of your post today GW2 does not have raids. The post on the 8-18 was very different. 

 

  xAPOCx

Novice Member

Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 894

11/03/12 10:42:35 AM#237

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

11/03/12 10:44:03 AM#238
Originally posted by Papadam
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Papadam
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Papadam

OK so what weve learned from this thread is that there are no bad things about GW2 and anyone who is saying anything negative is either payed or are just having "themepark burnout".

 

And GW2 players who bash other games have all the right to do so.

guess you haven't read or understood much of anything.. but good to know:)

Maybe hyperbole but still close enough to the truth. 

or maybe that is just the impression outsiders like me get when reading the posts of people like you. (and the OP)

so you can tell me there is no difference between someone bashing a game they don't play have gotten a refund from or have no interest in? yet continue to come here to bash the game... against people who do play have concerns about aspects of the game and want to discuss the issues they have.

Whats your point? Every MMOs released gets bashed here, just look at AoC or Swtor who were bashed alot more then GW2. There are people who bash LotrO even if they havent played it for 5 years...

 

if you can't see the point then i dunno.. it's not something that should happen in any game GW2, swtor, aoc, lotro, any of them.. people playing that have concerns or people interested that have concerns makes sense to voice and talk about them.. but how would it make any sense other than to troll and bait for me to sit in a uncharted 3 forums and bash that game to hell when i don't even have a ps3

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Aerowyn

Novice Member

Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

11/03/12 10:47:31 AM#239
Originally posted by bcbully
 

Sorry one more post so that the point of our conversation is not lost. Today you said that "GW2 - no raids... all that was known for a very long time.. if that's what upset people that's really their own fault.."

No, post like your post on Aug 18th contributed to the hype and mislead. I agree with the first part of your post today GW2 does not have raids. The post on the 8-18 was very different. 

 

lol you are reaching and clinging onto every word .. you can look through the thread you posted it explains the stance on open world raids vs instanced raids.. BUT according to this forum open world raids don't exist so i use the term raids now in ways people understand which would be instanced 10+ man dungeons which GW2 does not have and always was known to not have.. GW2 does have open world raid events in the form of several meta events which means it does have raids... but please continue it's most amusing

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Icewhite

Made History

Joined: 7/11/11
Posts: 6496

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

11/03/12 10:49:31 AM#240
Originally posted by Papadam

people want to bash it some more. 

The orange number twos just make me so ANGRY!

I think they'd just like their forum back.  :shrug:

You are right; it's not terribly different from what other games have suffered post-release.  Pretty standard fare on this site, really.  Doesn't mean that multiple wrongs make a right.

Patience.  Sorry mods, it can't last forever.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

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