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  User Deleted
11/03/12 8:32:07 AM#201
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
It's called hype backlash.  The bigger the hype, the harder the fall.

after 3 BWEs and hundreds of youtube videos what all was really hidden as far as core gameplay? what the game was all about was known for quite sometime.. no raids no stat progressive gear grind.. all that was known for a very long time.. if that's what upset people that's really their own fault..

It actually isn't completely, it is people like you's fault as well because you hyped this game to death so much before release. It's about time you took responsibilty for what you write, you can't say: 'you knew all this before you got involved, it's your own fault', when you've been actively trying to sell this game as the second coming since you've been posting here.

 

 

Pure early morning comedy.

 

Look at the orange statement.  I'm going to say no, Aero you had a lot to do with hyping and misleading, and you should own it like Omnifish said. 

 

This is Aero's thread Aug. 18th, one week before launch. Titled "Raiding in GW2 **Video**

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/360987/page/1

Aero - "Since this has been such a hot topic just wanted to give an example of a raid sample in GW2."

 

Statments like this is were a lot of the disappointment and backlash comes from. 

And another nonsense post from our friend bcbully. Of course, he conveniently ignores that Aero clearly exposed the difference between classic raids like in EQ, WoW or LOTRO, and the open world raid like encounters in GW2. She clearly said that there are raid like encounters requiring a lot of people to beat, but that they are very different from the time comitment based raids in other games. But let's ignore that and just bash the poster - it's more fun and makes you feel like you are right, in your own mind.

Statements like this is what makes some GW2 fans wonder what people like bcbully are still doing in this forum - spreading lies, partially quoted posts and other misleading information just to bash the game and its players.

  TangentPoint

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11/03/12 8:34:06 AM#202
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by TangentPoint 

That's a rather poor, and very inaccurate generalization.

Doesn't matter who it comes from. It's still hype and it's still unrealistic.

AOC was hyped by its beta players, devs, teaser videos and articles.

For being in the beta of that game, I can say this is not true. In both games, there was a quite large part of the testers saying the game was not ready, actually all the testers who had seen more than just Tortage. Not to mention the strategy of Funcom to restrict most testers to that polished part of the game. And even those restricted to Tortage saw the game bugs, instability of the client and other problems.

Funcom just ignored that and released. Their bad.

I was in the beta as well. I was following these forums and others, and there most certainly was a significant amount of hype around it.

As is always the case, the more grounded, scrutinizing ones who saw the game for what it was, and not what they wanted it to be, were saying it wasn't ready. But for every person saying that, there was at least 2 other fans telling them to "shut up", calling them "trolls" and all the usual canned retorts. Anyone who dared express a negative or critical opinion of the combat system was told they just sucked at playing, weren't smart enough to figure it out, or were "QQ'ing" because they lost in PvP, and so on.

I remember it well.

 

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  MMOwanderer

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11/03/12 8:34:31 AM#203
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
 

This is Aero's thread Aug. 18th, one week before launch. Titled "Raiding in GW2 **Video**

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/360987/page/1

Aero - "Since this has been such a hot topic just wanted to give an example of a raid sample in GW2."

 

Statments like this is were a lot of the disappointment and backlash comes from. 

I think this also points out something the fanbases of every new mmo forget. Until we get to fully test it, we dont know for sure. It's not just Aero, Bully. I remember all the back from the pax demos how people said that raiding wasn't needed because of open world events and that since GW2 didn't have a trinity and movement based combat, raid like difficulty was possible.

Now, i do think the Dragons are epic, but as pointed out a million times, it's mostly zerging. Like i said, hype comes from demos, blogs, videos, players, devs, etc, because we have yet to play the full game. 

  bcbully

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11/03/12 8:35:05 AM#204
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
It's called hype backlash.  The bigger the hype, the harder the fall.

after 3 BWEs and hundreds of youtube videos what all was really hidden as far as core gameplay? what the game was all about was known for quite sometime.. no raids no stat progressive gear grind.. all that was known for a very long time.. if that's what upset people that's really their own fault..

It actually isn't completely, it is people like you's fault as well because you hyped this game to death so much before release. It's about time you took responsibilty for what you write, you can't say: 'you knew all this before you got involved, it's your own fault', when you've been actively trying to sell this game as the second coming since you've been posting here.

 

 

Pure early morning comedy.

 

Look at the orange statement.  I'm going to say no, Aero you had a lot to do with hyping and misleading, and you should own it like Omnifish said. 

 

This is Aero's thread Aug. 18th, one week before launch. Titled "Raiding in GW2 **Video**

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/360987/page/1

Aero - "Since this has been such a hot topic just wanted to give an example of a raid sample in GW2."

 

Statments like this is were a lot of the disappointment and backlash comes from. 

no instanced raids.. should be better for you?.. but yes meta events are in fact raids

In this one conversation you have a statement that says GW2 - no raids, a 30 page thread that says GW2 has raids, and then another statement that says "in fact raids"

 

Which one is it? You see why people may feel like they were mislead? This is not all on you, it's just you were the most prominent giver of GW2  information. 

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

11/03/12 8:36:05 AM#205
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
It's called hype backlash.  The bigger the hype, the harder the fall.

after 3 BWEs and hundreds of youtube videos what all was really hidden as far as core gameplay? what the game was all about was known for quite sometime.. no raids no stat progressive gear grind.. all that was known for a very long time.. if that's what upset people that's really their own fault..

It actually isn't completely, it is people like you's fault as well because you hyped this game to death so much before release. It's about time you took responsibilty for what you write, you can't say: 'you knew all this before you got involved, it's your own fault', when you've been actively trying to sell this game as the second coming since you've been posting here.

 

 

Pure early morning comedy.

 

Look at the orange statement.  I'm going to say no, Aero you had a lot to do with hyping and misleading, and you should own it like Omnifish said. 

 

This is Aero's thread Aug. 18th, one week before launch. Titled "Raiding in GW2 **Video**

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/360987/page/1

Aero - "Since this has been such a hot topic just wanted to give an example of a raid sample in GW2."

 

Statments like this is were a lot of the disappointment and backlash comes from. 

no instanced raids.. should be better for you?.. but yes meta events are in fact raids

In this one conversation you have a statement that says GW2 - no raids, a 30 page thread that says GW2 has raids, and then another statement that says "in fact raids"

 

Which one is it? You see why people may feel like they were mislead? This is not all on you, it's just you were the most prominent giver of GW2  information. 

why not read that thread?  it explains it all there

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  Icewhite

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11/03/12 8:37:11 AM#206
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Statements like this is what makes some GW2 fans wonder what people like [personal, omitted] are still doing in this forum ...

Because the duration of the assault long ago degraded into simple personal dislike and revenge/retaliation cycles.

As demonstrated by both your post, and his.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  User Deleted
11/03/12 8:37:37 AM#207
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by TangentPoint 

That's a rather poor, and very inaccurate generalization.

Doesn't matter who it comes from. It's still hype and it's still unrealistic.

AOC was hyped by its beta players, devs, teaser videos and articles.

For being in the beta of that game, I can say this is not true. In both games, there was a quite large part of the testers saying the game was not ready, actually all the testers who had seen more than just Tortage. Not to mention the strategy of Funcom to restrict most testers to that polished part of the game. And even those restricted to Tortage saw the game bugs, instability of the client and other problems.

Funcom just ignored that and released. Their bad.

I was in the beta as well. I was following these forums and others, and there most certainly was a significant amount of hype around it.

As is always the case, the more grounded, scrutinizing ones who saw the game for what it was, and not what they wanted it to be, were saying it wasn't ready. But for every person saying that, there was at least 2 other fans telling them to "shut up", calling them "trolls" and all the usual canned retorts. Anyone who dared express a negative or critical opinion of the combat system was told they just sucked at playing, weren't smart enough to figure it out, or were "QQ'ing" because they lost in PvP, and so on.

I remember it well.

 

There was hype based on the fact that it was Conan, mostly by those who only saw Tortage or actually didn't play the game at all. I remember the hype words... "boobs", "mature", "adult", "Conan", etc...

Those who played clearly knew what it was all about, and the beta forum trend was definitely "don't release, the game is not ready". But whatever, Funcom ignored that - and they paid the price.

But whatever - selective memory is selective, I guess ;-)

  User Deleted
11/03/12 8:39:20 AM#208
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Statements like this is what makes some GW2 fans wonder what people like [personal, omitted] are still doing in this forum ...

Because the duration of the assault long ago passed into simple personal dislike and revenge/retaliation cycles.

As demonstrated by both your post, and his.

Sorry, but I call out nonsense when I read it. I can't just let such crap pass and some people believe it's true.

Partial quoting and transforming what people say it's an all time favorite tactic - used by real world polititians too. And when it's used to stir the pot, both you and me know what it is, right? ;-)

  Papadam

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Joined: 12/09/07
Posts: 2127

11/03/12 8:39:25 AM#209

OK so what weve learned from this thread is that there are no bad things about GW2 and anyone who is saying anything negative is either payed or are just having "themepark burnout".

 

And GW2 players who bash other games have all the right to do so.

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  TwoThreeFour

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11/03/12 8:40:49 AM#210
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
(...)

 

There was hype based on the fact that it was Conan, mostly by those who only saw Tortage or actually didn't play the game at all. I remember the hype words... "boobs", "mature", "adult", "Conan", etc...

Those who played clearly knew what it was all about, and the beta forum trend was definitely "don't release, the game is not ready". But whatever, Funcom ignored that - and they paid the price.

But whatever - selective memory is selective, I guess ;-)

Precisely, that's why people claiming something about the past should have links to sources to back up their claims.

  TwoThreeFour

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Posts: 2148

11/03/12 8:42:13 AM#211
Originally posted by Papadam

OK so what weve learned from this thread is that there are no bad things about GW2 and anyone who is saying anything negative is either payed or are just having "themepark burnout".

 

And GW2 players who bash other games have all the right to do so.

I don't see why it is the responsability of fans of this game to clean up the backyard of fans of other games.

  bcbully

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Posts: 6967

11/03/12 8:43:15 AM#212
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
It's called hype backlash.  The bigger the hype, the harder the fall.

after 3 BWEs and hundreds of youtube videos what all was really hidden as far as core gameplay? what the game was all about was known for quite sometime.. no raids no stat progressive gear grind.. all that was known for a very long time.. if that's what upset people that's really their own fault..

It actually isn't completely, it is people like you's fault as well because you hyped this game to death so much before release. It's about time you took responsibilty for what you write, you can't say: 'you knew all this before you got involved, it's your own fault', when you've been actively trying to sell this game as the second coming since you've been posting here.

 

 

Pure early morning comedy.

 

Look at the orange statement.  I'm going to say no, Aero you had a lot to do with hyping and misleading, and you should own it like Omnifish said. 

 

This is Aero's thread Aug. 18th, one week before launch. Titled "Raiding in GW2 **Video**

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/360987/page/1

Aero - "Since this has been such a hot topic just wanted to give an example of a raid sample in GW2."

 

Statments like this is were a lot of the disappointment and backlash comes from. 

no instanced raids.. should be better for you?.. but yes meta events are in fact raids

In this one conversation you have a statement that says GW2 - no raids, a 30 page thread that says GW2 has raids, and then another statement that says "in fact raids"

 

Which one is it? You see why people may feel like they were mislead? This is not all on you, it's just you were the most prominent giver of GW2  information. 

why not read that thread?  it explains it all there

Oh I did. I posted in it a lot too.  Here is the third post from the thread.

"I wish you never showed me this so I could have been surprised. :)"  

There is nothing to explain. Just own it.  

 

There was a lot of twisting and hyping going on. Learn a lesson and move on. I learned my lesson with TSW. I do not believe I twisted any facts about the game leading up to launch, but I hyped the hell out the game, because I was hype as hell... I believe a lot of people read what I wrote and may have been disappointed when my glowing superlatives didn't match up with their expirenece. 

  Icewhite

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11/03/12 8:43:47 AM#213
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

I don't see why it is the responsability of fans of this game to clean up the backyard of fans of other games.

I wonder--do those other games get a daily message board invasion?

Surely they can't; one has to pay for access to those boards, yes?

Ah...this site's version of those boards.  Insufficient traffic for troll happiness, in most cases.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Aerowyn

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Posts: 7969

11/03/12 8:44:21 AM#214
Originally posted by Papadam

OK so what weve learned from this thread is that there are no bad things about GW2 and anyone who is saying anything negative is either payed or are just having "themepark burnout".

 

And GW2 players who bash other games have all the right to do so.

guess you haven't read or understood much of anything.. but good to know:)

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  TangentPoint

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11/03/12 8:44:55 AM#215
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by TangentPoint

ANet/GW2 fans have been among the worst in recent memory in that regard. To declare a MMO is "a genre changer", before it's even launched yet, is hyperbole to the extreme. The only other MMO that comes close to the amount of unfettered hype GW2 has received is TOR.

Because the hate started so very early and fed the hype flames with free negative publicity?

Right, because it was the haters calling it a "game changer", and that it would truly be "The WoW Killer" and all this, right? It was the haters immediately declaring it would forever and drastically raise the bar on what people demanded from MMOs based entirely on a sleek, polished PR piece called "The GW2 Manifesto", before anyone had seen anything of substance, right?

The examples could go on.

Yes, essentially.  The one thing hype-retaliators don't seem to get; they're responsible for half of the traffic.

Red herring. How much traffic there was is irrelevant. Please stay on topic.

When teamA gets to arguing with teamB on a daily and consistant basis, they both grow more extreme.  That's just how polarity works on forums.

The hype around this game has been at 10 since the beginning. There was no ramping up.

 

My philosophy on MMORPGs:

Leveling is what happens while you're playing the rest of the game.

Don't worry about levels. Just play.

  Aerowyn

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11/03/12 8:46:46 AM#216
Originally posted by bcbully
 

Oh I did. I posted in it a lot too.  Here is the third post from the thread.

"I wish you never showed me this so I could have been surprised. :)"  

There is nothing to explain. Just own it.  

 

There was a lot of twisting and hyping going on. Learn a lesson and move on. I learned my lesson with TSW. I do not believe I twisted any facts about the game leading up to launch, but I hyped the hell out the game, because I was hype as hell... I believe a lot of people read what I wrote and may have been disappointed when my glowing superlatives didn't match up with their expirenece. 

how are meta event bosses like the dragons not open world raid encounters? this was what the point in the videos were and still the point now.. i have done the dragons and they are very much open world raids.. but again you can believe what you want

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Icewhite

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11/03/12 8:49:08 AM#217
Originally posted by TangentPoint

When teamA gets to arguing with teamB on a daily and consistant basis, they both grow more extreme.  That's just how polarity works on forums.

The hype around this game has been at 10 since the beginning. There was no ramping up.

Doesn't alter that revenge-posting, as a motive, is not more "pure" than a fanboy/hype post is.

Both sides believe themselves to be the white knights of the scenario.

 

Without both of them, this cesspit would not exist.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  deakon

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11/03/12 8:52:06 AM#218
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
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Thats like saying you knew what the film was about and have seen the trailer, therefore you cant complain.

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As long as the companies involved have held their part of the deal in a legal sense, then the customer has no moral right to complain, in my opinion. If you are not sure if you will like a product as much as you want to, then you can simply just refrain from purchasing that product. 

If the companies have broken the law in some way, then sue them.

But thats the point about the game being over hyped tho isnt it? pre-launch the game was herolded as the second comming, and yes consumers do have a right to complain when the product they purchase doesnt function correctly, and gw2 didnt function correctly

 

A lot of the content was flat out broken and the game has had security issues, saying that people have no right to complain because they knew there was a small chance this could happen is the flimsiest argument ive seen online to date, it doesnt matter if legally anet are in the clear or not, if there are issues with a product the consumer has every right to complain, infact i would say they are obliged to complain so improvements can be made

  TwoThreeFour

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11/03/12 9:00:20 AM#219
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by deakon
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But thats the point about the game being over hyped tho isnt it? pre-launch the game was herolded as the second comming, and yes consumers do have a right to complain when the product they purchase doesnt function correctly, and gw2 didnt function correctly

 

A lot of the content was flat out broken and the game has had security issues, saying that people have no right to complain because they knew there was a small chance this could happen is the flimsiest argument ive seen online to date, it doesnt matter if legally anet are in the clear or not, if there are issues with a product the consumer has every right to complain, infact i would say they are obliged to complain so improvements can be made

Arenanet never promised in a legal sense that all content wouldn't be broken and there would not be any security issues. Customers have a right to voice their opinion as long as they follow the rules of the medium they choose to use, but that doesn't mean that they have a moral right to do so. What is morally right is certainly a matter of opinion.

People can blame any person they randomly find on the street for any problem with anything in life, but that doesn't mean I have to find their blaming to be sound. 

 

 

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11/03/12 9:00:31 AM#220
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by TangentPoint

When teamA gets to arguing with teamB on a daily and consistant basis, they both grow more extreme.  That's just how polarity works on forums.

The hype around this game has been at 10 since the beginning. There was no ramping up.

Doesn't alter that revenge-posting, as a motive, is not more "pure" than a fanboy/hype post is.

Both sides believe themselves to be the white knights of the scenario.

 

Without both of them, this cesspit would not exist.

Sorry, but GW2 players / fans are at home here. Permanent negative spammers are not, as per the forum rules.

If some guy used to go to the bar down the street comes to your bar, starts to say how much the drinks suck, how much better they are down the road at the other bar, how much the people in the bar are idiots from going there, etc..., he will be thrown out. And if he starts to come back every day doing that, he will most likely end in trouble with either one of the customers, or with the bartender, or with the police if he really insists.

Same here. This is the GW2 bar. You can talk about the game, or just say you don't like it (and why) and leave. But (per forum rules), you can NOT come daily, even after saying you stopped playing (or for some even never bought the game), and repeatedly bash the game and its players. There's no white knighting here, we are at home, the negative spammers are NOT (again, as per forum rules, nothing I make up, not my own opinion).

I guess the moderators can't see everything, and are also moderating so many posts that they don't remember every negative post streams made by the same people over and over again. But don't be fooled - the culprits of the cesspit are those who should NOT be here as per forum rules, not the legit players who talk about their game of the moment.

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