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11/01/12 1:19:17 PM#81
Originally posted by Creslin321 Well actually hipsters are preety mainstream thing for years now. Big clothing corporations are making hipstery-homeless style clothes, for years every self-respecitng hipster would have iPhone or MacBook, companies producing glasses went with increased amount of retro style glasses for hipsters, etc So by complaining about hipsters you're countering mainstream so you're well...hipster :p |
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11/01/12 1:20:44 PM#82
Honestly, hipsters who hate on people hating hipsters that hate people that might be hipsters that hate people.. are too mainstream, so yeah.
Thread's shit, GG. |
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11/01/12 1:20:55 PM#83
Hmmmm.......I really don't know if I would refer to what's going on here as hipster. Where I come from hipster is the norm. If somebody came out and actually admitted they liked X-Factor or Knuckle draggers got talent for example, well they would be torn several new ones. On these forums for example people seem to fall into the following catagorys. You have bitter vets and pre-Nge crew. Nothing will ever be good enough for them again, but that's fair enough. Everybody needs a place to come and vent....For years and years and years and years and years and years and years....Sorry! I digress. You have people.....Sorry when I say people I mean children who pretend to be bitter vets who where not actually born when Everquest, Swg, Ultima etc where in their heyday. The it's cool to hate wow crowd, the don't acctually like playing mmorpgs crowd , a few mavericks and some pretty decent posters. Yeah I know I am massivley generalising. What I am trying to say is I belive non-comforming is the norm nowadays. True Non-comformity in my eyes, especially around here would be to actually enjoy what you enjoy no matter if it's popular or not and not give a rats arse about what anybody else thinks about it. You know? To actually enjoy your hobby. Just my feelings on this matter. Really enjoying this thread btw. :)
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11/01/12 1:22:32 PM#84
Originally posted by fenistil This post is too mainstream. Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob? |
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11/01/12 1:27:20 PM#85
Originally posted by Creslin321 I am not sure that generlization is correct. Those few niche games that are recognized by wider audience on forums like EVE, DFO or SWG also get alot of hate also by people that have not played them and sometimes even admit it. They are preety commonly used in arguments about shitty mmos that noone plays or played in the past :) What you said might be true for those really niche or niche games that almost noone knew about like Mortal Online or Tale in the Desert or Wurm, etc |
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Originally posted by Kyleran I don't remember what I wrote exactly, but I deleted it because I saw you delete yours. I love good games from any genre. I never admitted I didn't care for any MMORPGs, unless you are saying no MMO is a good game. But not all MMOs even try to be games. Naturally I don't care for those titles. They are more like, make-believe or how children sometimes play doctors, cowboys and indians or whatever. There's no game involved there. And when they go for this route, "the game-part" usually ends up being quite bad. I mean they're practically just chatrooms with 3d graphics. Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. -Author unknown, attributed to Mark Twain |
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11/01/12 1:29:40 PM#87
Originally posted by Creslin321 Yeah it is ! Remember never admit you're a hipster. Never ever ;p |
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11/01/12 1:32:25 PM#88
Intelligent games never go mainstream, because developing games for "smart" gamers automatically creates a niche, and niche is not where the money is. Look at EvE and TSW - mainstream success? Hardly. Well I enjoy niche games, I don't like to play games everyone and his uncle plays. |
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Kyleran
 Bitter Vet™
Joined: 9/13/06
Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV |
11/01/12 1:35:00 PM#89
Originally posted by BadSpock LOL, while I borrowed their name, don't ask me to name a song, can't say I could. But I had heard of them. "What gamers want ... is new game play patterns different from what they've experienced before" - Axehilt |
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11/01/12 1:36:00 PM#90
Ever since Urban Outfitters came to be, hipsters = mainstream.
Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros |
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Alot
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Joined: 1/04/11
Minister of Propaganda for GW2 Fascist-Capitalist Party |
11/01/12 1:40:18 PM#91
The most important characteristic of populists like Hitler is that they protest against the establishment and claim that they represent the (silent) majority. Reminds me of some people on these forums. |
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11/01/12 1:40:33 PM#92
Originally posted by Yakamomoto
I don't exclude myself just because it's popular. I play popular games or nitch. I'll play because I like it, not because some hipster says it's cool to or because some hype campaign tells me it's popular and a "must buy!!".
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Originally posted by Foomerang It is supposed to be a reference, but off the top of my head I don't remember from where. Who fits the bill? -Basically your average forum dweller who bashes every modern MMO out there with every chance they get, talks about the good ol' days, hypes up indie MMOs and gets excited whenever the word sandbox gets thrown around. I know many MMO purists too which fit the description, but I don't keep a list, sorry. Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. -Author unknown, attributed to Mark Twain |
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11/01/12 1:48:29 PM#94
Originally posted by Quirhid Most don't bash games because they are hipsters. If people are harking back to the old days and saying new games are shit, it's because they think new games are, well, shit.
It seems pretty reasonable to be annoyed that all the stuff that made mmos unique, it being replaced by mechanisms you find in every other gaming genre. Ooh but it's more popular!
Besides I can think of a fair few people who bash on "older" games and mechanisms using pretty poor arguments and using "but new games are more popular so they must be better" as a back up.
You also need to realise that 90% of the time on here, people are trolling (well I hope they are as the alternative is just...). |
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11/01/12 1:49:25 PM#95
Well OP if you don't think some people have a reason to complain about recent (two month max playtime) Themepark MMO's that's a you problem.
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11/01/12 1:55:47 PM#96
Ah yes, the old conversation about conformists and rebels. It's been had a million times. Both reach opposite conclusions but, interestingly, by using the exact same (what I would call) flawed reasoning. To like something just because others like it is just as bad as disliking something just because others like it. In fact, if you just rebel against all things popular, you are essentially conforming to what has become a standardized nonconformist image. The only honest way to approach anything, as I see it, is to critically evaluate it for yourself. This doesn't mean ignoring the opinions of others, of course. That's just as ignorant as blindly following the opinions of others. Take them into account, but strive to evaluate something on the basis of its own merits and your own likes and dislikes. If you are to be completely honest with yourself, you'll undoubtedly find you sometimes participate in popular culture, sometimes participate in rebel culture, and sometimes participate in culture that resides outside the boundaries of that false diachotomy. |
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Originally posted by bunnyhopper I've probably said this a dozen times before: No one plays shitty games. If people are flocking toward a game, there's something good in it. Even if you don't get it, even if I don't get it, clearly those people are getting something out of it. Also, no matter how badly it fits your own preferences, popularity still remains the only objective measure of quality. It is evidence of some quality. You can't dismiss evidence just because you don't agree with it. Don't be the Flat Earth Society-guy. Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. -Author unknown, attributed to Mark Twain |
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11/01/12 2:06:57 PM#98
Originally posted by Kyleran You did?! Ah damn... I missed that. I think it as always been pretty obvious though. As for the topic, I have nothing to add really. If you dig in the thread, everything as pretty much been said and it was kind enjoyable seeing Q having his behind handed to him in good mesure. I first red this logged off and when I logged on to comment, what a surprise, all the people (sheeple really) agreeing with him are on my block list... must be on to something here. lol On a side note: If you don't like the "Hipster", do what I do for people like you, block them... problem solved. You know its that simple, why not do it? |
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11/01/12 2:17:01 PM#99
Hipsters have beome the "new" mainstream, so you can't really call them hipsters (by definition) any longer. |
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11/01/12 2:26:02 PM#100
Originally posted by Quirhid I have been in Advertising for about 20 years now and I can tell you that if your company does a great job advertising your product or service it can turn lemons into lemonade. That being said if your company is to stay afloat you still have to have a core and continue to build a game that the masses want. Blizzard did this perfectly, they took a look at Everquest, looked at what made it popular and what the masses said they wanted different and pulled out what may be described as a miricle. They placed their game heading directly at the mainstream population, they decided plenty of quests ala Everquest , some exploration and somewhat challenging combat-these made the adults happy. Then they gave their game a cartoonish look to attract the kids. Now why did this not turn off the adults-because the adults had enough to keep them happy and just accepted the cartoonish graphics. What has happened over the last few years is this, WOW has the adults hooked even convincing them the game is not for kids, in the meantime they have done as much as possible to attract kids and teens while knowing they have the adults and their 9 alts maxed to the guilds hooked. Brilliant, Brilliant strategy, I bow down to the Advertisers and marketers of Blizzard |
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