Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by Ortwig

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Um, of all the things to criticize about TSW, QUESTING is not the one I would pick -- investigation quests that require use of google?  Yeah, WoW's always had a TON of those...

fixed that for you.

Still those are far and few between. 

You are right that there are a lot of people out there that may not want to put the effort to figure the investigation quests on their own and they will use the "cheat sites" instead. I'm a victim of the occassional slip myself in more than one occassion (I'm not much of an investigator on all things musical). Still, it is a feature and they serve a purpose that you won't find in pretty much anything else on the market right now.

I think we're coming full circle with this really. Once upon a time it was about raiding and reading tactics or cheat sites to beat the encounters or try them on our own. In this game it's about quests and having the freedom to do either. You can be a purist and try to solve everything without any "solution sites" involved, or you can just check the step by step sites. The difference is that, unlike raiding, you don't have peer pressure to succeed and you don't hold people back if you choose to be a purist.

Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by Ortwig

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Starpower
 

But at the same time, each of their games had many MANY very VERY subpar parts to it that make it unplayable for most people.   You cannot cherry-pick the few good features of each game and ignore all the terrible parts to it and say it was a great game.

TSW is the perfect example of this.. the theme, environments are top-notch and unique.  However, character models and movements are from the 1990s.  Questing is also subpar, and more like WOW from 2005.

The numbers speak for themselves.

Um, of all the things to criticize about TSW, QUESTING is not the one I would pick -- investigation quests that require use of google?  Yeah, WoW's always had a TON of those...

fixed that for you.

Still those are far and few between. 

Oh sure.  If you prefer NOT to use your brain, you may optionally use Google to cheat.  OR, if you still like using your brain maybe even use Google to look up NON-cheat sites for clues.  For either, there is an in-game browser -- the game is set in the modern day after all.

Originally posted by Jemcrystal
I don't play breast and boobs games unless they equal it out with pretty men.  

Spoken like someone who's never played Conan.  Not exactly a game for homophobes.

Originally posted by DSWBeef
Currenlty atleast in the world of Themepark devs. Trion and Funcom are the only ones that are heading in the right direction. Offer more story content, open world stuff, and less on instances. If i wasnt playign Rift id be playing TSW as it is a great game.

Except TSW is quite heavy on Instances and it's open world stuff is very questionable.

Originally posted by Ortwig

Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by Ortwig

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Starpower
 

But at the same time, each of their games had many MANY very VERY subpar parts to it that make it unplayable for most people.   You cannot cherry-pick the few good features of each game and ignore all the terrible parts to it and say it was a great game.

TSW is the perfect example of this.. the theme, environments are top-notch and unique.  However, character models and movements are from the 1990s.  Questing is also subpar, and more like WOW from 2005.

The numbers speak for themselves.

Um, of all the things to criticize about TSW, QUESTING is not the one I would pick -- investigation quests that require use of google?  Yeah, WoW's always had a TON of those...

fixed that for you.

Still those are far and few between. 

Oh sure.  If you prefer NOT to use your brain, you may optionally use Google to cheat.  OR, if you still like using your brain maybe even use Google to look up NON-cheat sites for clues.  For either, there is an in-game browser -- the game is set in the modern day after all.

How about you don't ignore human nature. 

Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by DSWBeef
Currenlty atleast in the world of Themepark devs. Trion and Funcom are the only ones that are heading in the right direction. Offer more story content, open world stuff, and less on instances. If i wasnt playign Rift id be playing TSW as it is a great game.

Except TSW is quite heavy on Instances and it's open world stuff is very questionable.

Lairs, more story quests, and more RP stuff is a great direction IMO. By instances i mean dungeons which they still offer but arnt going nutso about it,

Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by Ortwig

Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by Ortwig

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Starpower
 

But at the same time, each of their games had many MANY very VERY subpar parts to it that make it unplayable for most people.   You cannot cherry-pick the few good features of each game and ignore all the terrible parts to it and say it was a great game.

TSW is the perfect example of this.. the theme, environments are top-notch and unique.  However, character models and movements are from the 1990s.  Questing is also subpar, and more like WOW from 2005.

The numbers speak for themselves.

Um, of all the things to criticize about TSW, QUESTING is not the one I would pick -- investigation quests that require use of google?  Yeah, WoW's always had a TON of those...

fixed that for you.

Still those are far and few between. 

Oh sure.  If you prefer NOT to use your brain, you may optionally use Google to cheat.  OR, if you still like using your brain maybe even use Google to look up NON-cheat sites for clues.  For either, there is an in-game browser -- the game is set in the modern day after all.

How about you don't ignore human nature. 

Yep, people will cheat, and they have on just about every video game ever published.  But the original poster was comparing TSW questing to 2005 WoW questing.  TSW asks people to use their brains, follow the storyline, and actually pay attention to  the world around them to solve the mystery.  They don't HAVE to use their brains, but at least TSW is asking. WoW has never asked players to do anything more than run kill and fetch errands, with the occasional escort quest thrown in.  And that's fine, but please don't tell us that TSW quests are the same as WoW circa 2005.

Originally posted by Eazydzzz

Originally posted by Robokapp
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Really?  Because every game of theirs I play has a strong, very nice, and very mature community.  I've made more friends in Funcom games than I have in any other games, and I've dabbled in almost every mmo.

Smaller, very niche, non-hype raved MMOs tend to have those kind of communities.

Originally posted by Jemcrystal
I don't play breast and boobs games unless they equal it out with pretty men.  

Well... that's Conan... I mean... if there are no scantily clad to the point of M rating then it's not a world of Hyborbia or whatever you call Conan's world.

Speaking of AoC, one of the things that really irked me was the mandatory key button mashing combos... thing drove me nuts and the only game had to resort to playing with my numpad.

"Funcom does a good job" LOL.

I love AO, was my first mmo and i still play it from time to time but Funcom does LOTS of mistakes. 

Just look at AO, they have bugs for years now and no balance it's amazing how u say that. Play others game please.

Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by DSWBeef
Currenlty atleast in the world of Themepark devs. Trion and Funcom are the only ones that are heading in the right direction. Offer more story content, open world stuff, and less on instances. If i wasnt playign Rift id be playing TSW as it is a great game.

Except TSW is quite heavy on Instances and it's open world stuff is very questionable.

If you can even call anything they offer "open world". Even that is heavily instanced. 

I enjoyed AoC quite a bit more than TSW. TSW was great, but Funcom added what is called "end game" which means repeat the same thing over and over again. It's like watching the same damn TV episode, or movie over and over again. AoC had it too, but when I played there were some cool guild battles. Kinda meaningless, but I enjoyed it anyway. In fact, I may go back someday, but some of the expansion content has made me leary.

Originally posted by madazz

Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by DSWBeef
Currenlty atleast in the world of Themepark devs. Trion and Funcom are the only ones that are heading in the right direction. Offer more story content, open world stuff, and less on instances. If i wasnt playign Rift id be playing TSW as it is a great game.

Except TSW is quite heavy on Instances and it's open world stuff is very questionable.

If you can even call anything they offer "open world". Even that is heavily instanced. 

I enjoyed AoC quite a bit more than TSW. TSW was great, but Funcom added what is called "end game" which means repeat the same thing over and over again. It's like watching the same damn TV episode, or movie over and over again. AoC had it too, but when I played there were some cool guild battles. Kinda meaningless, but I enjoyed it anyway. In fact, I may go back someday, but some of the expansion content has made me leary.

Actually, they are looking at doing some different things in the "endgame" space:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2012/10/29/interview-the-secret-world-game-director-joel-bylos-casts-light-on-the-future-of-the-game/