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  aesperus

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10/26/12 5:12:14 PM#81
Originally posted by bunnyhopper

I'm not entirely sure how relevant popularity is to the longevity premise this thread is built upon.

You can have casual gamers galore buying mmos and then dropping them a month later for the next shiny on the market. Not sure how that then impacts upon the argument that sandbox style systems offer mechanics which are better suited to promote longevity.

If someone came along and built a top quality sandbox game you could probably bet your ass that it would get nowhere near WoW numbers. But you could also stake your house on the fact that that sandbox would still be there, with a large player retention rate, whilst countless themeparks have come and gone in the mean time.

Whats is the population marker btw? As long as a game has enough subs to fund the game and for the game world to be populous enough that the games systems work optimally, then surely that is the "marker", not some arbitrary figure that allows you to say "haha my games got 100k more subs than yours!".

It's not all that relevant when it comes to GW2, no. There are too many other factors far more important than MMO population trends.

My point was more just to illustrate that some of the people here soapboxing true oldschool sandboxes as the way to save the industry, may be looking through some tinted glasses a bit.

Again, I never said that more sandboxy games aren't the way to go. Or that they wouldn't necessarily be as popular as WoW. The whole point was to show that the sandboxes we used to have just aren't going to cut it in todays market. We would need a newer, better sandbox. Not more of the same. Simply put, looking back is not the way forward. Sure you can learn something from some of the earlier designs, but the last thing we need right now is a reskin of even older games.

The biggest problem that's been plaguing this genre for a while, is that most people don't feel like they're having any new experiences. The complaint is usually something along the lines of 'this is still the same ol' crap'. I don't think making the same mistake, but choosing a different game to base it off of is going to help anyone much, tbh. I think what we need are new experiences, new ways to play an MMO. As long as we keep clinging to the same playstyles that have failed in the past, they are going to keep failing in the future.

  grimal

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10/26/12 5:16:38 PM#82
Originally posted by itgrowls
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal

Finding GW2 boring after 1.5 months !=  MMO burnout.

 

of course not but seeing the same people play every single themepark and getting bored after a month to me is themepark burnout.. i too crave a good sandbox hybrid but still find GW2 the best themepark out there

Completely agree Aer. Been here long enough to see so many of them do this very same thing, like mobs of farmers with pitchforks and torches chasing the "monster game" that's trying to take away their fun in their gaming life. It's the in thing to do now. 

I came here not 40 minutes ago, and boy did this one post by badspock bring out the trolls. Holy crimminy. There was 1 page his post for like 5 minute and then 30 minutes later BAM 7 pages of people going..."I want all the terrible things the other games forced on us for years as the only means of progression!" and "I want the horrible combat styles of the older games that caused us all to be pressing just three buttons while standing still" Seriously this is what people want?

Then tell me this, if that was REALLY the case, if people REALLY wanted the crappy old school gear treadmill stuff then why is it that every major WoW/EQ raid only lobby game (minus Rift)  has failed in the past few years? Anyone?.....  didn't think so. So please, at least have the decency to be as honest as our good friend Badspock here. He admitted that it could be the themepark burnout and not the game. 

I think a lot of people are replying to this because he was one of the initial GW2 champions.

Contrary to what you say, I think a lot of people have a great deal of disappointment over this game considering how many hyped it to death months in advance.  Sometimes, it takes someone else to come out express their disappointment for others to feel its ok to share their own feelings.

"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4735

10/26/12 5:16:43 PM#83
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal

Finding GW2 boring after 1.5 months !=  MMO burnout.

 

of course not but seeing the same people play every single themepark and getting bored after a month to me is themepark burnout.. i too crave a good sandbox hybrid but still find GW2 the best themepark out there

this is true. have to keep in mide that were talking about theamparks. and the best one out is gw2. followed by rift. just my opinion mind you =)

which shares mine:) find Rift the best p2p themepark out their but find GW2 a better game for me:)

I just hate cash shops. I hate them. And, yes, I'm watching Rifts for anything even remotely suspiscious. When that happens, I will quit Rift too. Hopefully, it will stay the way it is. Nothing useable, consumable or wearable in game. It's bad enough they sell that dam mount skin. PFFT!  But for now, Rift is the best MMO for me that is available.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Aerowyn

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Posts: 7969

10/26/12 5:21:55 PM#84
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal

Finding GW2 boring after 1.5 months !=  MMO burnout.

 

of course not but seeing the same people play every single themepark and getting bored after a month to me is themepark burnout.. i too crave a good sandbox hybrid but still find GW2 the best themepark out there

this is true. have to keep in mide that were talking about theamparks. and the best one out is gw2. followed by rift. just my opinion mind you =)

which shares mine:) find Rift the best p2p themepark out their but find GW2 a better game for me:)

I just hate cash shops. I hate them. And, yes, I'm watching Rifts for anything even remotely suspiscious. When that happens, I will quit Rift too. Hopefully, it will stay the way it is. Nothing useable, consumable or wearable in game. It's bad enough they sell that dam mount skin. PFFT!  But for now, Rift is the best MMO for me that is available.

so if Deeps’ Depot offers full blown cosmetic shop you would leave just for that? i dunno to me that concept just makes no sense to me.. how does it hurt your gaming experience in any way if others feel it worth it to spend some extra money on cosmetic items.. if the company is a good company like I feel Trion is and you can see them bringing out lots of new content I really don't see the issue.. now say they only released 2 patches a year and had this then i'd see a reason to get angry... i personally don't like CS in P2P games but won't leave a game because of it as long as it's not p2w

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  Zuvielify

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Joined: 12/07/11
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10/26/12 5:26:35 PM#85

A mighty one has fallen!

I never thought I would read this review from Mr. Spock. However, I think his assessment is spot on. He pointed out all the things I felt when I stopped playing...except I figured it out a little earlier than he did. 

In the end, I think we're just both done with MMORPGs for a while, Spock. The industry has gone stale. 

  xAPOCx

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 891

10/26/12 5:26:52 PM#86
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal

Finding GW2 boring after 1.5 months !=  MMO burnout.

 

of course not but seeing the same people play every single themepark and getting bored after a month to me is themepark burnout.. i too crave a good sandbox hybrid but still find GW2 the best themepark out there

this is true. have to keep in mide that were talking about theamparks. and the best one out is gw2. followed by rift. just my opinion mind you =)

which shares mine:) find Rift the best p2p themepark out their but find GW2 a better game for me:)

I just hate cash shops. I hate them. And, yes, I'm watching Rifts for anything even remotely suspiscious. When that happens, I will quit Rift too. Hopefully, it will stay the way it is. Nothing useable, consumable or wearable in game. It's bad enough they sell that dam mount skin. PFFT!  But for now, Rift is the best MMO for me that is available.

I hate cash shops to. Never liked them. I do want to clerify something i said. I did say GW2 is the best theampark out followed by rift. That said i do think of theamparks like fast food joints. There awesome for a quick hot meal. But thats all there good for. 

 

Just depends on how good the food is at said joint. And theres nothing wrong with that. I do like my fastfood from time to time. But i would rather have a home cooked meal then a flash fried chicken finger.

 

When i have the time to make said dinner =)

  User Deleted
10/26/12 5:27:38 PM#87
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by bunnyhopper

 

It's not all that relevant when it comes to GW2, no. There are too many other factors far more important than MMO population trends.

My point was more just to illustrate that some of the people here soapboxing true oldschool sandboxes as the way to save the industry, may be looking through some tinted glasses a bit.

Again, I never said that more sandboxy games aren't the way to go. Or that they wouldn't necessarily be as popular as WoW. The whole point was to show that the sandboxes we used to have just aren't going to cut it in todays market. We would need a newer, better sandbox. Not more of the same. Simply put, looking back is not the way forward. Sure you can learn something from some of the earlier designs, but the last thing we need right now is a reskin of even older games.

The biggest problem that's been plaguing this genre for a while, is that most people don't feel like they're having any new experiences. The complaint is usually something along the lines of 'this is still the same ol' crap'. I don't think making the same mistake, but choosing a different game to base it off of is going to help anyone much, tbh. I think what we need are new experiences, new ways to play an MMO. As long as we keep clinging to the same playstyles that have failed in the past, they are going to keep failing in the future.

Which again goes back to the original point. People are  championing open, persistent, dynamic, community driven worlds. The systems in the old games promoted them.

 

If someone comes up with new methods to provide those worlds (which are new to the modern mmo player btw), then go for it. In the mean time, we hark back to the systems which actually provided such content.

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5759

10/26/12 5:28:18 PM#88

This thread is seriously funny.  And also why I don't listen to positivist hivemind hype before game release.

What's super sad is that we're hearing the early rumblings of hype with TESO and EQN.  Just stop the hype and we wouldn't have such inane backlash threads.

Why am I loving GW2?  Because I went in with no expectations except what I already knew of ANet and took the game for what it offers.  The junky gamers looking for the next fix are a scourge on the entire gaming community.

Curse you AquaScum!

  xAPOCx

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 891

10/26/12 5:30:02 PM#89
Originally posted by Zuvielify

A mighty one has fallen!

I never thought I would read this review from Mr. Spock. However, I think his assessment is spot on. He pointed out all the things I felt when I stopped playing...except I figured it out a little earlier than he did. 

In the end, I think we're just both done with MMORPGs for a while, Spock. The industry has gone stale. 

At least hes keeping it real. got to respect the man for that. More people should know what crow tastes like. i know i sure do =)

 

I belive the word is humility?

  Arskaaa

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10/26/12 5:32:09 PM#90

Totally agreed.

Game dont have carrot keep me interestet. Sure WvWvW is fun zerg "some times" but its dont reward at all.

 

O yeah, halloween sucks. crap rewards and very lucky based. spend 15 gold for gems to get keys for chests.... nothing.

  BigAndShiny

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10/26/12 5:32:26 PM#91

People will probably flame, but I'm back in SW:TOR and loving it.  I know I'll probably quit again once I get this alt to level 30-40 or whenever it starts getting boring but for now it's great fun collecting loot, doing flashpoints, enjoying the Republic story (there was a really sad mission on Taris yesterday that I nearly cried on).   

Funny how I had resigned the MMO genre to failure, but all it's taken is a couple days in a supposedly terrible game to rekindle my love of it.

  GeezerGamer

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10/26/12 5:37:15 PM#92
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal

Finding GW2 boring after 1.5 months !=  MMO burnout.

 

of course not but seeing the same people play every single themepark and getting bored after a month to me is themepark burnout.. i too crave a good sandbox hybrid but still find GW2 the best themepark out there

this is true. have to keep in mide that were talking about theamparks. and the best one out is gw2. followed by rift. just my opinion mind you =)

which shares mine:) find Rift the best p2p themepark out their but find GW2 a better game for me:)

I just hate cash shops. I hate them. And, yes, I'm watching Rifts for anything even remotely suspiscious. When that happens, I will quit Rift too. Hopefully, it will stay the way it is. Nothing useable, consumable or wearable in game. It's bad enough they sell that dam mount skin. PFFT!  But for now, Rift is the best MMO for me that is available.

so if Deeps’ Depot offers full blown cosmetic shop you would leave just for that? i dunno to me that concept just makes no sense to me.. how does it hurt your gaming experience in any way if others feel it worth it to spend some extra money on cosmetic items.. if the company is a good company like I feel Trion is and you can see them bringing out lots of new content I really don't see the issue.. now say they only released 2 patches a year and had this then i'd see a reason to get angry... i personally don't like CS in P2P games but won't leave a game because of it as long as it's not p2w

GW2 has the most respectable cash shop I have seen yet. But only in terms of what's relative from one player to the next. I have said this before. I applaud ANET for being one of the only companies to not bullshit it's players and did not introduce some hidden P2W mechanics and some slippery wording to cover it up. (**CoughfuncomCough**) But I don not consider GW2's Cash Shop to be totally benign. The game's economy is all but nonexistant.

Being able to buy boxing gloves and sunglasses undermines the whole concept of progression. It doesn't matter than there are no stats to it. It's in the game, you should have to do something to get it. And, yeah, I get that it's possible to make all items in the game also. But it's still a form of progression. It is something....anything, that get's players out there doing something in the game, then it's one more thing to keep you playing and or do with someone else. If I buy it in the shop, what's the point of playing the game?

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Torvaldr

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10/26/12 5:40:31 PM#93
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

GW2 has the most respectabel cash shop I have seen yet. But only in terms of what's relative from one player to the next. I have said this before. I applaud ANET for being one of the only companies to not bullshit it's players and did not introduce some hidden P2W mechanics and some slippery wording to cover it up. (**CoughfuncomCough**) But I don not consider GW2's Cash Shop to be totally benign. The game's economy is all but nonexistant.

Being able to buy boxing gloves and sunglasses undermines the whole concept of progression. It doesn't matter than there are no stats to it. It's in the game, you should have to do something to get it. And, yeah, I get that it's possible to make all items in the game also. But it's still a form of progression. It is something....anything, that get's players out there doing something in the game, then it's one more thing to keep you playing and or do with someone else. If I buy it in the shop, what's the point of playing the game?

RIFT sells mounts and extra goodies with some upgrade packs.  What's the point in playing that game then?

Curse you AquaScum!

  marcust

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10/26/12 5:42:25 PM#94

I think these people will add the carrot, perhaps it will have a roof and a shrubbery, but that will take time.

For now, why not get hyped over DFUW like the rest of us. Owning a hamlet or city there will mean something.

 

Playing: Lotro, DOTA2, ESO, Darkfall
Also played and worth mentioning: UO, WoW, Lineage2

  Iselin

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10/26/12 5:42:41 PM#95

Theme parks are all about learning new systems or the new variation of the old system and leveling. If you stick around after that it's just gravy. The problem as I see it is that we continue to hope that every new MMO will provide some magical activity that will keep us  happy indefinitely. That's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

if we continue to play or go back to play it's usually because of some unique personal reason. Me, I like alts and redoing content with new abilities are fun... Not as much fun as the first time around but something I enjoy nevertheless.

 

One good thing about GW2: no sub. Come back or not when the mood strikes you then stay for a day, a week or a month. Life's too short to feel like you are required to enjoy something you don't any more... certainly not when it comes to our chosen form of entertainment.

 

i never say I'm leaving an MMO for good.... I may just be back.

  GeezerGamer

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10/26/12 5:47:54 PM#96
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

GW2 has the most respectabel cash shop I have seen yet. But only in terms of what's relative from one player to the next. I have said this before. I applaud ANET for being one of the only companies to not bullshit it's players and did not introduce some hidden P2W mechanics and some slippery wording to cover it up. (**CoughfuncomCough**) But I don not consider GW2's Cash Shop to be totally benign. The game's economy is all but nonexistant.

Being able to buy boxing gloves and sunglasses undermines the whole concept of progression. It doesn't matter than there are no stats to it. It's in the game, you should have to do something to get it. And, yeah, I get that it's possible to make all items in the game also. But it's still a form of progression. It is something....anything, that get's players out there doing something in the game, then it's one more thing to keep you playing and or do with someone else. If I buy it in the shop, what's the point of playing the game?

RIFT sells mounts and extra goodies with some upgrade packs.  What's the point in playing that game then?

you missed my earlier post. I've already expressed my dislike of those and they are very close to the line. In fact they are prettymuch sitting on it. If Deep's Depot put's one thing in there I can wear, use or consume, then there is no point and I'll quit Rift too.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Mardukk

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10/26/12 5:47:55 PM#97
I agree Spock. I haven't quit yet but my playtime is dwindling. The big problem with all of these recent two month max mmos is that they have zero sandbox elements. As a long time themepark player I'm starting to see the light. I don't need a pur e sandbox but the closer to a virtual world the better. I really think the days of the no freedom themepark mmo are limited. I think most future mmos will offer some freedom and do a better job of creating a virtual world. The more I think about gw2 the more like a console game it becomes.
  tordurbar

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10/26/12 5:49:30 PM#98

I agree with everything that BadSpock wrote but I am still playing GW2. I am doing a different tack -  I am leveling up three toons pretty much at the same speed. They are all around level 40 now.

I know that I am going to hit the same wall. Worse, I feel almost the way that he does - there aren't any mmo's that I want to stay with. I tried MOP but the talent changes, the squishy monk, and the loss of my favorite succubus turned me off. I tried Rift again and THEY changed the talents too. As much as I love Trion (I have a month to go for a year sub and I will re-sub - not for the game but for the company - they listen to their players!) I don't feel epic anymore, like BadSpock says about the GW2 mobs - it take far too long to kill mobs with the gear that I have.

BadSpock hit the nail on the head for SWTOR!

None of the upcoming mmo's interest me except Wildstar and that is so far away it might as well be Titan.

I hoped that I would retire and play MMO's all the time. Now I am just going to keep on working. Now THAT is sorry!

  aesperus

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10/26/12 5:52:24 PM#99
Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Which again goes back to the original point. People are  championing open, persistent, dynamic, community driven worlds. The systems in the old games promoted them.

If someone comes up with new methods to provide those worlds (which are new to the modern mmo player btw), then go for it. In the mean time, we hark back to the systems which actually provided such content.

Some people are, not all.

Again.. if you go back to some of my posts, I agree that having more open game worlds is the way to go. However, some people make that sandbox label synonymous with 'we need another UO', which I believe is the wrong way to look at things.

And again, I don't think backtracking to old and tested systems is the way to go at all. I think it's good for designers to learn from them, and some of the better ones most definitely do, but none of those systems were perfect. Even Raph Koster has said as much, and that he thinks it's a shame that noone has tried to expand upon those inital designs.

Those games were successful at the time because they were pioneers. The technology was new, the mindset was completely different, and people were still finding out about the genre and its mechanics. That hasn't been true for quite some time.

Heck, there have still been sandboxes made today, using similar technology, and only 1 of them is doing alright. Some were even kinda good, like Shadowbane, but there's a reason why not many people played that compared to other games. I haven't seen any reason to believe that making the same games that we've already had before, will magically be more successful this time around. While people are asking for more open / sandboxy worlds, many don't seem to have the same concept of what that means as the people on these forums seem to.

We need newer games, updated mechanics, more interesting gameplay. Not the same mechanics we had 15 years ago

  Torvaldr

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10/26/12 5:52:25 PM#100
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

GW2 has the most respectabel cash shop I have seen yet. But only in terms of what's relative from one player to the next. I have said this before. I applaud ANET for being one of the only companies to not bullshit it's players and did not introduce some hidden P2W mechanics and some slippery wording to cover it up. (**CoughfuncomCough**) But I don not consider GW2's Cash Shop to be totally benign. The game's economy is all but nonexistant.

Being able to buy boxing gloves and sunglasses undermines the whole concept of progression. It doesn't matter than there are no stats to it. It's in the game, you should have to do something to get it. And, yeah, I get that it's possible to make all items in the game also. But it's still a form of progression. It is something....anything, that get's players out there doing something in the game, then it's one more thing to keep you playing and or do with someone else. If I buy it in the shop, what's the point of playing the game?

RIFT sells mounts and extra goodies with some upgrade packs.  What's the point in playing that game then?

you missed my earlier post. I've already expressed my dislike of those and they are very close to the line. In fact they are prettymuch sitting on it. If Deep's Depot put's one thing in there I can wear, use or consume, then there is no point and I'll quit Rift too.

I read what you said before and I understand, but I don't get why the micro-transaction stuff they sell now gets a pass and future items don't?  How is it any different?  The bottom line is they have stuff for sale as micro-transactions that you don't have to game for.  You can buy it in their web based account cash shop.  So what is the point of playing the game, or at least why does the existing get a free pass?

Curse you AquaScum!

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