Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by mWo4life

I have Rift trial account. I just reached lvl 20 and to continue to play it  I need to buy the game and to subscribe. I can buy the game with expansion, no problem, what is stopping me is subscription. I just don't want to pay to play.

I also play GW2 and EVE now, and I cannot see any justification why I should pay sub-fee in Rift. Combat is boring tap-targeting, graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes, all quests are like kill 10x of this, collect 10x of that, etc. GW2 provides better experience for me without sub-fee than Rift with sub-fees. Ppl say Rift has good end-game. Maybe, but it will take me months before I reach it. So why bother, if I don't know I will even like it? The only sub-fees that I tolerate atm are in EVE. And this is because, I have an option to pay the fees using in-game currency.

 

 

So what are you looking for? Sounds like you made your choice.

same thing as any of these kinds of posts in any games forum.. to get attention, complain and sir things up... but i suppose without them the forums would be pretty silent... 

Originally posted by mWo4life

 graphics is outdated

 

Are you serious?!?!

Rift has awsome graphics probably better in general than GW2.

GW2 has better shaders/materials but Rift's artstyle/models/atmosphere are ways superior!

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by alancode
Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

And I can't understand why so many people on these forums get hung up on the amount of the sub and discredit peoples opinions when they don't feel it's a value. Price and Value are not the same thing. I have no problem paying a sub for a game, but none have been worth the price nor has the cost varied or been justified by any developers. The only exception I have found was EVE and that's because you aren't charged for the expansions. When they say the sub pays for the further development guess what, it actually does and your monthly sub is returned in the form of the content you have been paying for every month.

I refuse to pay a sub for a lot of titles I bought and it has ZERO to do with whether or not I can afford it. Never has and never will. When I don't play games I am much more inclined to blow money on dumb stuff so playing a MMO actually saves me money. OP, you pretty much didn't do what I am talking about because you came across as whining about the price so I can see why you get the flak, but to turn this into a statement about anyone not agreeing with a sub should stop playing because they are poor is pretty dumb. Other than how the issue was put out there, I agree that I also couldn't subscribe to Rift and there is no reason to be sorry. Move on OP.

So let me get this straight you think that paying for a sub is only for content released and that sub money is returned in the form of content. Then in the next paragraph say that you couldn't subscribe to Rift, eventhough Trion release more content and updates then any other company; including CCP. That is with being charged for expansion or not. 

You completely contradicted yourself. Atleast you could have said, "Hey I don't like Rift and neither do you we won't sub." But instead you just talked in circles.

I'm confused

Whether a game has a sub or not has never been a consideratin for me playing it. If the game is fun I will sub simple as that. 

That comment about content is rubbish too as Trion has been releasing content like very very often in fact it has been hailed as a standard other games should follow by people on this very board.

Originally posted by mWo4life

graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes

Graphics do look bad if your running a crappy computer. If you can max out Rift it looks pretty decent and on par with GW2 in my opinion.

Yes, we all know voice over cut scenes make the mmo. I mean look at SWTOR is doing wonderful.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by mWo4life

I have Rift trial account. I just reached lvl 20 and to continue to play it  I need to buy the game and to subscribe. I can buy the game with expansion, no problem, what is stopping me is subscription. I just don't want to pay to play.

I also play GW2 and EVE now, and I cannot see any justification why I should pay sub-fee in Rift. Combat is boring tap-targeting, graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes, all quests are like kill 10x of this, collect 10x of that, etc. GW2 provides better experience for me without sub-fee than Rift with sub-fees. Ppl say Rift has good end-game. Maybe, but it will take me months before I reach it. So why bother, if I don't know I will even like it? The only sub-fees that I tolerate atm are in EVE. And this is because, I have an option to pay the fees using in-game currency.

 

 

So what are you looking for? Sounds like you made your choice.

same thing as any of these kinds of posts in any games forum.. to get attention, complain and sir things up... but i suppose without them the forums would be pretty silent... 

HAHA, yeah, true. But yeah, I admit it, I come here for the PVP.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by mWo4life

I have Rift trial account. I just reached lvl 20 and to continue to play it  I need to buy the game and to subscribe. I can buy the game with expansion, no problem, what is stopping me is subscription. I just don't want to pay to play.

I also play GW2 and EVE now, and I cannot see any justification why I should pay sub-fee in Rift. Combat is boring tap-targeting, graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes, all quests are like kill 10x of this, collect 10x of that, etc. GW2 provides better experience for me without sub-fee than Rift with sub-fees. Ppl say Rift has good end-game. Maybe, but it will take me months before I reach it. So why bother, if I don't know I will even like it? The only sub-fees that I tolerate atm are in EVE. And this is because, I have an option to pay the fees using in-game currency.

 

 

So what are you looking for? Sounds like you made your choice.

same thing as any of these kinds of posts in any games forum.. to get attention, complain and sir things up... but i suppose without them the forums would be pretty silent... 

HAHA, yeah, true. But yeah, I admit it, I come here for the PVP.

didn't start that way for me but guess it's become that heh:P

Originally posted by Candomble
The most entertaining about OP is that to him the game is not good (combat, graphics, quests), but even so he would buy it and keep playing if it wasn't for the sub fee. Is it masochism?

It is a skewed mentality. 

'Hey this game has bad graphics, combat..no voice acting. I am not paying a sub for this game, but if it was free i would play it'.

If game is crap it is crap... if it has no sub fee all above mentioned stuff is not going to get automaticaly better. 

Originally posted by f0dell54

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by alancode
Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

And I can't understand why so many people on these forums get hung up on the amount of the sub and discredit peoples opinions when they don't feel it's a value. Price and Value are not the same thing. I have no problem paying a sub for a game, but none have been worth the price nor has the cost varied or been justified by any developers. The only exception I have found was EVE and that's because you aren't charged for the expansions. When they say the sub pays for the further development guess what, it actually does and your monthly sub is returned in the form of the content you have been paying for every month.

I refuse to pay a sub for a lot of titles I bought and it has ZERO to do with whether or not I can afford it. Never has and never will. When I don't play games I am much more inclined to blow money on dumb stuff so playing a MMO actually saves me money. OP, you pretty much didn't do what I am talking about because you came across as whining about the price so I can see why you get the flak, but to turn this into a statement about anyone not agreeing with a sub should stop playing because they are poor is pretty dumb. Other than how the issue was put out there, I agree that I also couldn't subscribe to Rift and there is no reason to be sorry. Move on OP.

 

So let me get this straight you think that paying for a sub is only for content released and that sub money is returned in the form of content. Then in the next paragraph say that you couldn't subscribe to Rift, eventhough Trion release more content and updates then any other company; including CCP. That is with being charged for expansion or not. 

You completely contradicted yourself. Atleast you could have said, "Hey I don't like Rift and neither do you we won't sub." But instead you just talked in circles.

 

I'm confused

No, I was saying that I haven't played a game where I felt the cost was justified and an example I was giving was when devs say the cost is for further development of the product yet people still have to pay for the expansions. I have never played EVE, but I respect how they handle their content releases. I also don't understand why $15 is the amount that almost ever P2P game sets on but that's neither here nor there and ties into why I haven't felt that most games were not worth the monthly entitlements. 

As for my Rift comment, I meant it simply as I agree that I also couldn't pay for a sub and I never stated it had anything to do with their amount of released content because they do release it faster than a lot of other games. I just didn't feel the need to go into my many reasons I don't enjoy the game because I have done so in the past and didn't really want to turn this into a response regarding my many dislikes for the game. I'll list them to clear it up for you though. 

* 2 starter zones makes rolling an alt a very boring ordeal,

* overly streamlined quest hub to quest hub experience lending little into exploration and choice,

* obnoxiouse amount of skills that appear to do a lot of the same stuff cluddering up my UI,

* the souls system for some classes were aweful,

* gameplay felt too grindy although leveling was fast, it was a bore to me,

* rifts quickly became repetative and sometimes when there was an absence of others they were impossible to clear so you can get your NPC back,

* the world was shallow and small and the fact that you had pretty much one leveling path made it more so.

I'll stop there. These are just my opinions on why I realy couldn't see myself playing the game. You are correct, I could have worded it differently I suppose but the point of the whole things was the fact that people like to bash others when they don't feel a game is worth it's sub fee and try to belittle them by stating how frugel they sound over the price when for some it has nothing to do with the price itself. I in no way contradicted myself, I just didn't feel the need to repeat my dislikes for the title other than I agree I could't pay the sub.

Originally posted by jdnewell

Rift is one of the better MMOs on the market IMO.

All the free content, updates, events ( that dont require real money to enjoy ), ect make it well worth the sub fee. If your hung up on $15 a month then nothing anyone says will really persuade you anyways. F2P and B2P you usually get what you pay for.

Yes even with GW2 ( and I am a fan who plays almost daily ). I guess I am old school and would rather pay a sub and not get nickle and dimed to death from the F2P / B2P models. I personally would be happier paying $15 month with GW2 and have no gem store than the current model. But I realize I am in the minority here.

Good luck with whatever you choose =)

Greates trick they pulled off with GW2 was to convince everybody it's B2P. Really its F2P, just without any actual free part... Nice trick.

Originally posted by mWo4life

I have Rift trial account. I just reached lvl 20 and to continue to play it  I need to buy the game and to subscribe. I can buy the game with expansion, no problem, what is stopping me is subscription. I just don't want to pay to play.

I also play GW2 and EVE now, and I cannot see any justification why I should pay sub-fee in Rift. Combat is boring tap-targeting, graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes, all quests are like kill 10x of this, collect 10x of that, etc. GW2 provides better experience for me without sub-fee than Rift with sub-fees. Ppl say Rift has good end-game. Maybe, but it will take me months before I reach it. So why bother, if I don't know I will even like it? The only sub-fees that I tolerate atm are in EVE. And this is because, I have an option to pay the fees using in-game currency.

 

 

You're absolutely right. There is no justification. Altho I like Trion's honesty with their players and the speed at which they churn out content and updates with actual fun things to do, there really isn't a justification at this point to pay a sub.

GW2 you can buy things by exchanging gold for gems so it's the same concept as Eves using in game currency to pay for a sub. 

Their model seems to be the only one that lasts.

Love the argument that GW2 isn't great because it doesn't have a sub. Talk about poor delusional people. It's great because it has VO, a vibrant world, and secrets to find explore and overcome outside of dungeons. Even Trion has noticed it's success and has made changes to their game accordingly. Saying it isn't good or that it hasn't affected the entire industry is like saying everything in an ecosystem is completely separate so killing this animal to extinction isn't going to affect anything else living there.

The thing is, Rift has tonnes of content.   It has a hardworking team of developers and a great patch schedule.  The graphics may not be incredible, but they're certainly satisfactory. 

The problem is that I don't want to play another MMO with NO SPECIAL FEATURES.  Apart from the fact that there's lots of content, Rift has nothing different about it.   The combat is the same that we've always seen.  It has neither the animations of SW:TOR, the movement of GW2, or the action-combat feel of Tera.  Rift doesn't have the lore and cutscenes/story of SW:TOR, nor does it have the beautiful environments of GW2. 

Who cares about a lot of content when it's just fighting more boring mobs with more standard combat without any story in a derivate cliched universe that makes no effort to draw the player into the lore or plot and provides them with no motivation to progress in any way except gear?   

The main reason to play Rift is that it provides a frequent amount of endgame content and progression for serious players.  However, that motivation is exactly the same as WoW, a game that was released 7 years before it. 

Originally posted by BigAndShiny

The thing is, Rift has tonnes of content.   It has a hardworking team of developers and a great patch schedule.  The graphics may not be incredible, but they're certainly satisfactory. 

 

The problem is that I don't want to play another MMO with NO SPECIAL FEATURES.  Apart from the fact that there's lots of content, Rift has nothing different about it.   The combat is the same that we've always seen.  It has neither the animations of SW:TOR, the movement of GW2, or the action-combat feel of Tera.  Rift doesn't have the lore and cutscenes/story of SW:TOR, nor does it have the beautiful environments of GW2. 

Who cares about a lot of content when it's just fighting more boring mobs with more standard combat without any story in a derivate cliched universe that makes no effort to draw the player into the lore or plot and provides them with no motivation to progress in any way except gear?   

The main reason to play Rift is that it provides a frequent amount of endgame content and progression for serious players.  However, that motivation is exactly the same as WoW, a game that was released 7 years before it. 

If you had played Rift recently you will realise that Rift isn't about end game raiding progression anymore. They have added a lot of alternative ways of progression.Something they are goign to expand upon with new expansion. Yes raiding is a big part of Rift but not the focus of entire game.

As far as cliche universe.....nothign is more cliche than evil dragons and everyone is a hero ready  to save the world. Sounds familiar? yeah...and yet you enjoy that cliche universe in GW2. Matter of taste and all.

Originally posted by cronius77
forum pvp is fun here because so many people have the most insane stances on games ive ever seen. Its not about hey try this its fun , oh no i do not like that try this anymore. Instead especially with guild wars 2 fans here (not all of course) its my game is so superior im going to post threads in every other game forum i can to rile up as many people as i can. It seems to like majority of the posts come from a bunch of kids to especially this free to play crap argument about how they cant go back to pay to play games because the quality is so great with free to play games. Guild wars 2 is not great OP its shallow and has at least 6 months of patches before id even consider it a contender with games like rift and wow or even  everquest 2. I think most people here would much rather pay 15 bucks a month for quality then putting stupid gambling boxes in game to try milk the loyal fans of free to play games like guild wars 2. Seriously OP if you cant stomach 15 bucks a month or dont like it , get a job and stop living off your parents...

Case and point :)     Sad really.....  

To the green portion I can agree with you but it's your tone... it's all wrong....  I also don't see many arguments claiming F2P has superior quality over P2P. I think a lot of people understand what they sacrifice for a game to be free. There are some delusional ones though I'll give you that. I do however (me included) see people argue over the lack of quality in P2P games on the market. But that's not saying F2P has superior quality. 

To the yellow  I see you claim others try to rile up people yet you make this asinine statement. Hypocrisy...

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by cronius77
forum pvp is fun here because so many people have the most insane stances on games ive ever seen. Its not about hey try this its fun , oh no i do not like that try this anymore. Instead especially with guild wars 2 fans here (not all of course) its my game is so superior im going to post threads in every other game forum i can to rile up as many people as i can. It seems to like majority of the posts come from a bunch of kids to especially this free to play crap argument about how they cant go back to pay to play games because the quality is so great with free to play games. Guild wars 2 is not great OP its shallow and has at least 6 months of patches before id even consider it a contender with games like rift and wow or even  everquest 2. I think most people here would much rather pay 15 bucks a month for quality then putting stupid gambling boxes in game to try milk the loyal fans of free to play games like guild wars 2. Seriously OP if you cant stomach 15 bucks a month or dont like it , get a job and stop living off your parents...

Case and point :)     Sad really.....  

To the green portion I can agree with you but it's your tone... it's all wrong....  I also don't see many arguments claiming F2P has superior quality over P2P. I think a lot of people understand what they sacrifice for a game to be free. There are some delusional ones though I'll give you that. I do however (me included) see people argue over the lack of quality in P2P games on the market. But that's not saying F2P has superior quality. 

To the yellow  I see you claim others try to rile up people yet you make this asinine statement. Hypocrisy...

hey now i never said i didnt like forum pvp i enjoy it as with the first statement. But you are right some companies release a game hence swtor warhammer online etc and are crap quality and the vision of a select few and they tank but still expect everyone to pay for a sub. But there is posts like 3 or 4 above here to that make no sense at all like saying paying a sub after guild wars 2 released is stupid and pointless. No IMO you are just a jobless cheap skate if you take that argument (not you the poster 3 or 4 above) Im so sick of seeing the free to play arguement championed here by guild wars 2 fans because most of them seem to be cheap kids living off mommy still . Guild Wars 2 is a 60.00 free to play game not buy to play yet their loyal fans (most of them) cannot seem to see it for what it is.  You have to gem to open up inventory slots , bank slots , now gambling chests..... and this is coming from someone who still plays it off and on also.  Im just sick of people here complaining about sub fees like free to play is so much better when every model ive ever seen from lotr online to eq2 , all milk the crap out of its playerbases including guild wars 2 , though they do it as its not "needed" but they rely on impulse buying with chests instead to milk their players.

Originally posted by Eir_S
A friend of mine tried Rift out recently.  She was excited first, and was all like "This will get the GW2 disappointment out of my mouth".  Less than a week later, she was back to GW2, and I watched on Skype screenshare as she deleted Rift from her pc lol.  I found it fun for longer than a week..... two, in fact.

I found GW2 fun for about a week also. Funny thing, peoples tastes. And I don't play Rift either. 

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by JackFrosty

Originally posted by Istavaan

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by JackFrosty
Then stop complaining and go back to GW2. Bye.

Lol, the thing is all these players saying they can never pay for a sub again are going to come unstuck. If they think subs died with the release of GW2 then they are delusional.

All they are doing is limiting the amount of MMOs they can play.

we will see when the next round of mmo's are released..planetside is next and is free 2 play. can you name an mmorpg coming out soon that will have a sub? Subcriptions are dead.

Sorry it took me a few minutes to stop laughing to reply.

Subs are dead yet the most successful MMO in history still has 10 million subs 8 yrs later and counting.

Add to that the fact that TITAN is going to be sub based and crush everything on the market when it arrives and you think sub-based is dead. lol.

well i'm laughing at you now, because only one mmo can maintain subs every other mmo has gone f2p..that is one mmo out of dozens and dozens. you don't know anything about titan or whether it will be sub based or f2p, but the fanboi is strong in you. you think a game that you know nothing about will crush everything..can i borrow your crystal ball please?

I stop reading there, you must do some research before implying all mmo are f2p, and you should know that mmo like lotro or swotor are not f2p, there are limited, if you want the full content you need to pay.

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by JackFrosty
Then stop complaining and go back to GW2. Bye.

Lol, the thing is all these players saying they can never pay for a sub again are going to come unstuck. If they think subs died with the release of GW2 then they are delusional.

All they are doing is limiting the amount of MMOs they can play.

They'll all pay their sub like good little customers when the next big thing comes around.

And promptly reroll another char on MMORPG to avoid embarassment (as if *anyone* really cares).