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General Discussion  » Updated Restrictions, from a F2P perspective, what a mess.

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  Blessings

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/24/07
Posts: 67

10/24/12 11:56:37 PM#41

Ideas like this could only come from one kind of training school.

 

 

You know, its funny because I unsubscribed with around 71 mil credits on my account, wonder what happens if I log in ftp. (Hurrah for chest farming before it got nuked)

  FrodoFragins

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Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2759

10/25/12 12:11:04 AM#42
Originally posted by Karteli

1. Chat & General stuff

  • General chat/Trade/PvP limited to one message every minute (shared timer) - not too bad
  • No trading with other players - bit much
  • Can not send mail - overboard
  • No /who usage - just a dumb restriction
  • No access to Emergency Fleet Pass - pointless and bad idea
  • 2 hr cooldown on Quick Travel - bad idea
  • No access to Cargo Hold - understandable
  • No access to Guild Bank - understandable
  • Cannot expand inventory tabs by credits - understandable
  • No access to Section X - no idea what this is
  • No rest XP - no biggie
  • Cannot equip purple/artifact quality gear. - meh. tis ok i guess
  • Cannot equip event stuff - dumb
  • Limited to 3 Space Missions/week

2. Quickbars

  • One quickbar only with 12 abilities. You can still use extra abilities off the abilities window.
  • WTF?  That's just stupid.  the idea is to show off your interface and give fully functional combat.  this is a BIG DEAL! 

Everything you post about SWTOR F2P is a whine fest.  But they really did make some dumb decisions.  Their goal is clear: Annoy the F2Pers enough to make them sub.

  stayontarget

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Girlfriends come and go but Epic battles are Soulbound

10/25/12 12:11:31 AM#43

Boy, EA sure know's how to pull players in :/

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  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  10/25/12 12:12:22 AM#44

I love this one:

 

  • Crew skill that returns lockboxes do not return lockboxes. Instead, players are asked to subscribe to get full rewards.

 

Wheee!

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Xerith

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Joined: 10/18/09
Posts: 972

A monkey poured coffee in my boots

10/25/12 12:12:47 AM#45
Wonder how the pre-order crystals will work. Those were purple and f2p cannot use purple gear. Does that mean everyone who pre-ordered also gets locked out of their pre-order rewards?
  FrodoFragins

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Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2759

10/25/12 12:16:17 AM#46
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Gruug

But SWTOR is going to be FREE to play. Heaven forbid they CHARGE people real money to play. And btw, you can SPEND real money to "unlock" all those things. But wait.....its FREE to play. F2Pers brought this on themselves. I really don't care if SWTOR sinks or swims after so-called f2p goes live as ALL f2p games are a rip-off!

 

It someone wants to carry their "Free" status in this game, it will cost them over $100 to unlock basic stuff that is normally included in actual Free to Play Games.

 

Aion is a great example.  The whole game is unrestrictive.  The cash shop only consists of furniture for player housing, xp buffs, and costumes + illusions.  NCSoft makes money from this game because people WANT to spend money, not because they NEED to. 

 

EA is just following other games .. they made a WoW clone, now they're following LOTR's & DDO's cash shop .. wonderful.  EA leading the industry?  I think not.

Nothing in the LOTRO or DDO cashshop is need to play the game and if you chose you can grind TP for those items spending zero $$.

 

Also if you do sub you get an allotment of TP's every month.

For the most part, the LOTRO F2P model is nice.  But you can't just level to the cap for free without grinding an insane amount.  They also don't seem to be doing great overall.  they had a minor uptick when F2P first hit but I think they are struggling these days.

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4525

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

10/25/12 12:19:01 AM#47

this will end well...

 

when you fail as F2P there's not much lower you ca go to try and stabilize.

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  10/25/12 12:21:00 AM#48
Originally posted by Xerith
Wonder how the pre-order crystals will work. Those were purple and f2p cannot use purple gear. Does that mean everyone who pre-ordered also gets locked out of their pre-order rewards?

The purple crystal is low level and useless pretty much.  I'd be surprised if EA charges for that. Then again, seeing what they are doing to tank this game, I don't know any longer.   If they could charge you 5 bucks to use your CE crystal, they would.  It depends on their metrics, to see how much they can get from you.

 

EA are not gamers, they are marketers and salesmen / saleswomen.  If you flash money, they get interested quickly.

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  User Deleted
10/25/12 12:21:34 AM#49
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by Karteli

1. Chat & General stuff

  • General chat/Trade/PvP limited to one message every minute (shared timer) - not too bad
  • No trading with other players - bit much
  • Can not send mail - overboard
  • No /who usage - just a dumb restriction
  • No access to Emergency Fleet Pass - pointless and bad idea
  • 2 hr cooldown on Quick Travel - bad idea
  • No access to Cargo Hold - understandable
  • No access to Guild Bank - understandable
  • Cannot expand inventory tabs by credits - understandable
  • No access to Section X - no idea what this is
  • No rest XP - no biggie
  • Cannot equip purple/artifact quality gear. - meh. tis ok i guess
  • Cannot equip event stuff - dumb
  • Limited to 3 Space Missions/week

2. Quickbars

  • One quickbar only with 12 abilities. You can still use extra abilities off the abilities window.
  • WTF?  That's just stupid.  the idea is to show off your interface and give fully functional combat.  this is a BIG DEAL! 

Everything you post about SWTOR F2P is a whine fest.  But they really did make some dumb decisions.  Their goal is clear: Annoy the F2Pers enough to make them sub.

I like his posts very informative. :) I'm just curious if people still think it's the executives at this point because seriously, these aren't 100% executive decisions alone. 

  Lissyl

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/12/12
Posts: 230

If cosmetics aren't content, why don't people demand a cheaper game done in full grayscale?

10/25/12 12:22:23 AM#50

It sounds to me like they're trying to bring people who want to try the game in...and then subject them to the equivalent of shaming to get them to subscribe.

I'm not certain this is very well thought out.  Especially the UI thing.  That's just pointlessly...well, cruel.  Or the helmet thing.  I mean...really?

  gobla

Novice Member

Joined: 3/30/07
Posts: 1407

C'est la vie.

10/25/12 12:23:13 AM#51

Sigh...

I was actually planning to start playing this again with the previous FTP scheme...

I was even willing to drop some cash to for example unlock some species and other things to make the great storylines more enjoyable.

But this?

A hotbar restriction?

Come on...

Ah well... guess I'll spend my money on something else then.

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  User Deleted
10/25/12 12:24:19 AM#52
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Gruug

But SWTOR is going to be FREE to play. Heaven forbid they CHARGE people real money to play. And btw, you can SPEND real money to "unlock" all those things. But wait.....its FREE to play. F2Pers brought this on themselves. I really don't care if SWTOR sinks or swims after so-called f2p goes live as ALL f2p games are a rip-off!

 

It someone wants to carry their "Free" status in this game, it will cost them over $100 to unlock basic stuff that is normally included in actual Free to Play Games.

 

Aion is a great example.  The whole game is unrestrictive.  The cash shop only consists of furniture for player housing, xp buffs, and costumes + illusions.  NCSoft makes money from this game because people WANT to spend money, not because they NEED to. 

 

EA is just following other games .. they made a WoW clone, now they're following LOTR's & DDO's cash shop .. wonderful.  EA leading the industry?  I think not.

Nothing in the LOTRO or DDO cashshop is need to play the game and if you chose you can grind TP for those items spending zero $$.

 

Also if you do sub you get an allotment of TP's every month.

For the most part, the LOTRO F2P model is nice.  But you can't just level to the cap for free without grinding an insane amount.  They also don't seem to be doing great overall.  they had a minor uptick when F2P first hit but I think they are struggling these days.

It was nice except one thing, content restrictions. without a sub you couldn't even form a large enough group for the lower dungeons. It's crazy.  you had to buy the dungeons with the zones. this is why they are losing players that and their insane pricing for an expansion no larger then WoW's BC. smh

  funyahns

Novice Member

Joined: 8/02/12
Posts: 313

10/25/12 12:25:16 AM#53
 I was looking at offical forums, and a large portion of people were supporting the 1 hot bar for ftp.  I think its a bit out crazy to expect this to actually get someone to want to sub.  If I am playing a game on a demo, which is sort of what ftp is.  The last thing you want to do is to make me feel unwelcome or to make my in game life complicated.  What they should do is make the game fun, where I am meeting people who want me to group with them and stuff. If I am making friends and having fun I am far more likely to sub than if you try to make everything inconvenient.
  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  10/25/12 12:29:59 AM#54
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Everything you post about SWTOR F2P is a whine fest.  But they really did make some dumb decisions.  Their goal is clear: Annoy the F2Pers enough to make them sub.

I suppose I can take this as a compliment, since you found the unavoidable truth somewhat entertaining.

 

The truth hurts sometimes.  Face up to it and stop calling truth-tellers whiners?

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  10/25/12 12:33:53 AM#55
Originally posted by funyahns
 I was looking at offical forums, and a large portion of people were supporting the 1 hot bar for ftp.  I think its a bit out crazy to expect this to actually get someone to want to sub.  If I am playing a game on a demo, which is sort of what ftp is.  The last thing you want to do is to make me feel unwelcome or to make my in game life complicated.  What they should do is make the game fun, where I am meeting people who want me to group with them and stuff. If I am making friends and having fun I am far more likely to sub than if you try to make everything inconvenient.

The official forums is full of shills, who promote anything and everything EA offers.

 

It is against the law for EA to advertise and promote / criticize others for their own agenda on external sites, like this one.

 

Having EA promote their own products on their own websites is like going to a Coke(tm) website and reading about how it's #1 in a taste test.

 

The SWTOR official forums can be entertaining, maybe even informative, but you need to skip through all the BS.  EA pays people to shill.  Hi Andryah :-)

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Swanea

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Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 2380

10/25/12 12:34:30 AM#56

Don't most f2p have very similar restrictions?  I think the UI restrictions are just terrible, but most of the rest seem spot on.  The gear is not "epic p2w"  It's good for the level, but moddable (ie you can put in new mods to keep the look).

 

They want you to sub, and you get so much by subbing that with the f2p, it's worth it, unless you are going to play it super casual.

  Swanea

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Posts: 2380

10/25/12 12:37:31 AM#57
Originally posted by XeoMatrix00
Originally posted by alexanys1982
i paid 60 for this game and I still lose all my rights when it goes F2P?

You are not the only one bud. :( EA dont care of ppl that spend money for the media. It plain sucks. 

What rights did you have when you were not subbed to the game?  You can play to level 15 as long as you want.  But as soon as you unsubbed, you couldn't play.

 

Now you can play to 50 and do a bunch of other things.

 

Lol rights.  I'm entitled too!

  KhinRunite

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Posts: 897

10/25/12 12:37:56 AM#58
That's just too much restriction for a Free to Play game. In some standards it seems more like a trial to level cap. I guess they're going for the bare minimum essence of F2P, as in we can play it like a solo game till the end for free.
  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  10/25/12 12:40:28 AM#59
Originally posted by Swanea

Don't most f2p have very similar restrictions?  I think the UI restrictions are just terrible, but most of the rest seem spot on.  The gear is not "epic p2w"  It's good for the level, but moddable (ie you can put in new mods to keep the look).

 

They want you to sub, and you get so much by subbing that with the f2p, it's worth it, unless you are going to play it super casual.

Screen shot, or it didn't happen.

 

The gist of this thread is not about subscibing, but about EA's "F2P" model.. which is not exactly free if someone wants a standard MMO.

 

A model like this drives me away.  The fact that it is an EA game is a little discomforting.  The fact that it is a Star Wars game hurts, bad.

 

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  FrodoFragins

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Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2759

10/25/12 12:40:30 AM#60
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Everything you post about SWTOR F2P is a whine fest.  But they really did make some dumb decisions.  Their goal is clear: Annoy the F2Pers enough to make them sub.

I suppose I can take this as a compliment, since you found the unavoidable truth somewhat entertaining.

 

The truth hurts sometimes.  Face up to it and stop calling truth-tellers whiners?

Maybe if you posted your whines less frequently I wouldn't have even noticed.  But at least you are coherent and mostly reasonable and so I can't justify just blocking you.  Just because I think you're whining a lot, it doesn't mean I think you are wrong.  I just think you complain too much about the same thing over and over.  Maybe it's time to move on.

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