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General Discussion  » Updated Restrictions, from a F2P perspective, what a mess.

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  Gruug

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10/24/12 10:48:58 PM#21

But SWTOR is going to be FREE to play. Heaven forbid they CHARGE people real money to play. And btw, you can SPEND real money to "unlock" all those things. But wait.....its FREE to play. F2Pers brought this on themselves. I really don't care if SWTOR sinks or swims after so-called f2p goes live as ALL f2p games are a rip-off!

 

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  Xerith

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10/24/12 10:50:54 PM#22
Originally posted by Gruug

But SWTOR is going to be FREE to play. Heaven forbid they CHARGE people real money to play. And btw, you can SPEND real money to "unlock" all those things. But wait.....its FREE to play. F2Pers brought this on themselves. I really don't care if SWTOR sinks or swims after so-called f2p goes live as ALL f2p games are a rip-off!

 

Pretty sure Bioware brought this on themselves by making a lackluster Star Wars game. 

  Burntvet

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10/24/12 10:52:06 PM#23

TOR's craptastic F2P model should make it perfectly clear that although a player can technically play the game for free, EA has does every possible thing to make that player not want to.

Some of the things on the restriction list are just stupid and insulting....

 

Not that I'd care to touch TOR with someone else's 10 foot pole.

But they think this effort is going to be successful? Really?

Morons.

 

  MMOGamer71

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10/24/12 10:54:42 PM#24
Originally posted by Xerith
Originally posted by Gruug

But SWTOR is going to be FREE to play. Heaven forbid they CHARGE people real money to play. And btw, you can SPEND real money to "unlock" all those things. But wait.....its FREE to play. F2Pers brought this on themselves. I really don't care if SWTOR sinks or swims after so-called f2p goes live as ALL f2p games are a rip-off!

 

Pretty sure Bioware brought this on themselves by making a lackluster Star Wars game. 

Didn't one of the developers say something to the effect of:

"this game didn't do well because the players are dumb".

  Karteli

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OP  10/24/12 10:55:32 PM#25
Originally posted by Gruug

But SWTOR is going to be FREE to play. Heaven forbid they CHARGE people real money to play. And btw, you can SPEND real money to "unlock" all those things. But wait.....its FREE to play. F2Pers brought this on themselves. I really don't care if SWTOR sinks or swims after so-called f2p goes live as ALL f2p games are a rip-off!

 

It someone wants to carry their "Free" status in this game, it will cost them over $100 to unlock basic stuff that is normally included in actual Free to Play Games.

 

Aion is a great example.  The whole game is unrestrictive.  The cash shop only consists of furniture for player housing, xp buffs, and costumes + illusions.  NCSoft makes money from this game because people WANT to spend money, not because they NEED to. 

 

EA is just following other games .. they made a WoW clone, now they're following LOTR's & DDO's cash shop .. wonderful.  EA leading the industry?  I think not.

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  snapfusion

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10/24/12 11:01:30 PM#26
Originally posted by Sciva
One skill bar? Who the hell restricts that sort of thing? Don't they want us to play it or somthing? It sounds like they just want to make it uncomfortable for free players so they sub, but i fear this sort of thing will just push players away and do more harm than good.

Only difference I see here is that EA isnt waiting until end game to give the F2P players something to cry about, a time frame this crowd is more accustomed to.

  MMOGamer71

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10/24/12 11:02:44 PM#27
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Gruug

But SWTOR is going to be FREE to play. Heaven forbid they CHARGE people real money to play. And btw, you can SPEND real money to "unlock" all those things. But wait.....its FREE to play. F2Pers brought this on themselves. I really don't care if SWTOR sinks or swims after so-called f2p goes live as ALL f2p games are a rip-off!

 

It someone wants to carry their "Free" status in this game, it will cost them over $100 to unlock basic stuff that is normally included in actual Free to Play Games.

 

Aion is a great example.  The whole game is unrestrictive.  The cash shop only consists of furniture for player housing, xp buffs, and costumes + illusions.  NCSoft makes money from this game because people WANT to spend money, not because they NEED to. 

 

EA is just following other games .. they made a WoW clone, now they're following LOTR's & DDO's cash shop .. wonderful.  EA leading the industry?  I think not.

Nothing in the LOTRO or DDO cashshop is need to play the game and if you chose you can grind TP for those items spending zero $$.

 

Also if you do sub you get an allotment of TP's every month.

  Mavek

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10/24/12 11:04:17 PM#28
This is honestly rediculous.  There is no logical stance on some of the items they decided to restrict.  Do they really believe that by making the game unbearable to play as f2p it will convince players to pay a sub?
  kulhat

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10/24/12 11:05:15 PM#29

Maybe this is all for the best....

The sooner it closes the sooner the Star Wars licence can be free? (I know nothing of this, solely speculation and dreams).

Maybe some kind souls can make a real Star Wars mmo.. I mean a real one with space and vastness and choices and freedom and... and... <dreams on>

 

 

... <dreams some more>

  User Deleted
10/24/12 11:08:46 PM#30
I honestly do not know what they are thinking. I can't imagine trying to play a Sentinel for example with just one hotbar. Maybe their F2P model is really meant to be just a paid  trial period for people that haven't yet tried the game in order to hook them into subscribing? If so, it's FAIL already and there is no point.  If I am fair in saying this game had the biggest launch in MMORPG history so far then they need to understand that the people willing to pay to subscribe are already playing or  already quit due to a lack of play value for the dollars. Just removing the box entry fee isn't going to turn the F2P game crowd on to SWTOR since none of the grind X to sell to people that pay so you can earn it too features are present.
  syntax42

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10/24/12 11:20:07 PM#31

The majority of the posts in this thread are people whining about not getting the entire game for free.  If you don't pay for the game, then who does?  If nobody pays, why would they bother making a game just to give it out for free?

 

I can agree with all of their restrictions except the hotbar restriction.  They are there to either limit gold farmers/spammers who we know will abuse the system when a game allows free access, or they limit features to encourage you to pay for the game at some point.

 

I have not played SWTOR since May and I don't intend to play it again.  I'm not a fanboy, but I think they are doing a decent job at converting to a F2P system to encourage more people to try the game out.  I don't see it reviving the game, though.  They failed to make it feel different from WoW and they failed to provide an immersive Star Wars experience.

  Gruug

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10/24/12 11:26:43 PM#32
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Gruug

But SWTOR is going to be FREE to play. Heaven forbid they CHARGE people real money to play. And btw, you can SPEND real money to "unlock" all those things. But wait.....its FREE to play. F2Pers brought this on themselves. I really don't care if SWTOR sinks or swims after so-called f2p goes live as ALL f2p games are a rip-off!

 

It someone wants to carry their "Free" status in this game, it will cost them over $100 to unlock basic stuff that is normally included in actual Free to Play Games.

 

Aion is a great example.  The whole game is unrestrictive.  The cash shop only consists of furniture for player housing, xp buffs, and costumes + illusions.  NCSoft makes money from this game because people WANT to spend money, not because they NEED to. 

 

EA is just following other games .. they made a WoW clone, now they're following LOTR's & DDO's cash shop .. wonderful.  EA leading the industry?  I think not.

 

I think you miss the point. This game (or any so-called "f2p" game) is tauting the fact that it is FREE to play. Yet you mention that you can PAY to unlock a bunch of "needed" stuff. Wether is is needed or not is not the issue. The point is, that it is being marketed (like other so-called f2p games) as being FREE to play. The fact that EA is CHARGING for things if you are in that "f2p" category is not surprising. What is surprising is that people complain when they find out they acutally have to SPEND real money to have access to game items at all. If it would be me (oh..it is), I would be complaining that ANY company calls their game FREE to play and then turns around and trys to charge money. It is a contradiction in terms and is to me down right false advertising. Call it what it is....limit play with pay for features. Not as catchy as "f2p" but far more accurate.

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  DashiDMV

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10/24/12 11:32:56 PM#33

I guess it was too good to be true to think people could get from 1-50 on the class quests without issues. The 1 hotbar has got to be the oddest F2P restriction I have ever heard of. Maybe next they will allow cap your time and strt autologging you unless you buy a pass to stay on.

 

It seemed like they were going to offer the class quests and hope people enjoyed them enough to sub or pay for items. Guess it was too much for a company like EA. Well the bright side is that the majority of the people are so turned off either A) EA will have to cave and reverse course from the negative comments like Sony did when the Vanguard F2P was announced or B) people will never play and thus never be in a position to get nickel and dimed.

 

They could have made about 95% of those restrictions and it would have been ok, not great but ok. It's those last few shivs they dug in at the end that really pushed the thing into an absurd level.

  Karteli

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OP  10/24/12 11:36:33 PM#34
Originally posted by Gruug
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Gruug

But SWTOR is going to be FREE to play. Heaven forbid they CHARGE people real money to play. And btw, you can SPEND real money to "unlock" all those things. But wait.....its FREE to play. F2Pers brought this on themselves. I really don't care if SWTOR sinks or swims after so-called f2p goes live as ALL f2p games are a rip-off!

 

It someone wants to carry their "Free" status in this game, it will cost them over $100 to unlock basic stuff that is normally included in actual Free to Play Games.

 

Aion is a great example.  The whole game is unrestrictive.  The cash shop only consists of furniture for player housing, xp buffs, and costumes + illusions.  NCSoft makes money from this game because people WANT to spend money, not because they NEED to. 

 

EA is just following other games .. they made a WoW clone, now they're following LOTR's & DDO's cash shop .. wonderful.  EA leading the industry?  I think not.

 

I think you miss the point. This game (or any so-called "f2p" game) is tauting the fact that it is FREE to play. Yet you mention that you can PAY to unlock a bunch of "needed" stuff. Wether is is needed or not is not the issue. The point is, that it is being marketed (like other so-called f2p games) as being FREE to play. The fact that EA is CHARGING for things if you are in that "f2p" category is not surprising. What is surprising is that people complain when they find out they acutally have to SPEND real money to have access to game items at all. If it would be me (oh..it is), I would be complaining that ANY company calls their game FREE to play and then turns around and trys to charge money. It is a contradiction in terms and is to me down right false advertising. Call it what it is....limit play with pay for features. Not as catchy as "f2p" but far more accurate.

Well, like I said, I would rather see a NCSoft Aion style F2P for SWTOR.

 

You see, with Aion, it's not a matter of restrictions.  Aion has no restrictions.  It is the perfect model for "F2P".

 

EA has further perverted the concept of "F2P" in the game industry to mean you need to pay.  I don't give a hoot if other games make you pay.  I showed you an example of a game that DOES NOT MAKE YOU PAY.

 

What I find surpising, is your complacency that "Free to Play" means you get "Billed to Hell".  I take issues with this.

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
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  XeoMatrix00

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10/24/12 11:44:54 PM#35

This is compete bull **** 1 skill bar ?

chest rewards are locked ?

even stupid details like hide helm really jeez...

This is the worst F2P ever heard, well better said this is a free trial up to level 50. 

  MMOGamer71

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10/24/12 11:45:09 PM#36
Originally posted by syntax42

The majority of the posts in this thread are people whining about not getting the entire game for free.  If you don't pay for the game, then who does?  If nobody pays, why would they bother making a game just to give it out for free?

 

Have you even read this thread?  The vast majority of posts are dealing with comparing SWTOR F2P model with other existing F2P models and SWTOR F2P lacking common F2P features.

 

Then again the P2P model did the same thing, seems to be a trend with SWTOR.

  bingbongbros

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10/24/12 11:45:36 PM#37

I know someone that knows someone that knows someone that knows someone in EAware.  They are restricting every single part of the game in the f2p model so they can sucks as much cash out of the incoming f2players before they finish a story or two and realize the rest of the game isn't worth a damn.

And put everything cool for subscribers inside Cartel Packs so you have to spend tons of money trying to get the rare drops.

The end goal is they want to shut the game down, it isn't going the way they expected and it can't be saved because of how it was built.  The f2p conversion is a last minute cash grab.

 

 

 

 

 

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  XeoMatrix00

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10/24/12 11:49:32 PM#38
Originally posted by DashiDMV

I guess it was too good to be true to think people could get from 1-50 on the class quests without issues. The 1 hotbar has got to be the oddest F2P restriction I have ever heard of. Maybe next they will allow cap your time and strt autologging you unless you buy a pass to stay on.

 

It seemed like they were going to offer the class quests and hope people enjoyed them enough to sub or pay for items. Guess it was too much for a company like EA. Well the bright side is that the majority of the people are so turned off either A) EA will have to cave and reverse course from the negative comments like Sony did when the Vanguard F2P was announced or B) people will never play and thus never be in a position to get nickel and dimed.

 

They could have made about 95% of those restrictions and it would have been ok, not great but ok. It's those last few shivs they dug in at the end that really pushed the thing into an absurd level.

Well for me a F2P will have always some restrictions of course i can accept the operations war and space missions. But blocking even to be able to trade, join guild, one hotbar, lock chests. hell i dont mind not able to wear purple stuff. This is not a F2P like LOTR or even GW2 does. SWTOR is a Free Trial hiding as a F2P

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10/24/12 11:53:56 PM#39
i paid 60 for this game and I still lose all my rights when it goes F2P?

  XeoMatrix00

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10/24/12 11:55:43 PM#40
Originally posted by alexanys1982
i paid 60 for this game and I still lose all my rights when it goes F2P?

You are not the only one bud. :( EA dont care of ppl that spend money for the media. It plain sucks. 

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