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  Mogus

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Joined: 5/21/04
Posts: 176

 
OP  10/23/12 11:46:54 PM#21

Why is that Maple?

It's simple economics. The more land you own, the more likely you are to control a rare harvest, animal/monster spawn on your property, which means you will be a sought after land owner as people offer higher stakes to gain temporary access to your land (i.e increasing your element of power within the game and presitige, in kind.)

With power comes responsibility as you dont want to end up becoming someone branded in a negative light to the public because you never know what someone else will have that you might need in the future, thus resulting in the politcal aspects of the game.

The dynamics of the system is far reaching and many will find it extremely addictive.

Nothing sad about enjoying your rise to the top.

www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!

  Simphanatic

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Joined: 9/11/12
Posts: 94

The problem with virtually every MMORPG: too much Pavlov and not enough Maslow.

10/24/12 12:13:55 AM#22
Originally posted by Mogus

Why is that Maple?

It's simple economics. The more land you own, the more likely you are to control a rare harvest, animal/monster spawn on your property. ... Nothing sad about enjoying your rise to the top.

I admit, you had me until you said this.

 

The funding strategy you're suggesting is a lottery; i.e., the more land purchased with real life money, greater is the chance of procuring something that positions a player advantageously with respect to other, less fortunate or less free-spending players.

 

Not good: as you've explained it, this is little more than a different run at the worst kind of pay-to-win strategy; e.g., Sea Fight or Perfect World. So, if I were to dump a couple grand into your game there's every probability that I'd have a significant advantage over players who can afford only a single plot of land?

 

This is all so very unfortunate; your premise did seem so hopeful. Also, your news releases and website announcements would profit from proofreading.

  Mogus

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Joined: 5/21/04
Posts: 176

 
OP  10/24/12 12:41:44 AM#23

I understand your point, and appreciate your comment.

I do however have to disagree.

As with anything in gaming, more is better and there will always be a select few with more than the rest, such is life. Will guilds band together in efforts to own a mass of land to be more self sufficient? Of course. Can a motivated player without a house or land prosper through his buying and selling, crafting and adventuring? Absolutely.

The focus of the game is in the adventuring for materials with which to craft items in demand. Owning property will give you a slight edge over someone who doesn't, or will it?

The dynamics of the game in their entirety haven't been discussed yet.

And yes, I probably should have my wife reading through half of what I type. I type fast and often without looking and to be honest, I was never good in English anyway. :)

www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!

  Simphanatic

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Joined: 9/11/12
Posts: 94

The problem with virtually every MMORPG: too much Pavlov and not enough Maslow.

10/24/12 12:51:17 AM#24
Originally posted by Mogus

I understand your point, and appreciate your comment.

I do however have to disagree.

As with anything in gaming, more is better and there will always be a select few with more than the rest, such is life. Will guilds band together in efforts to own a mass of land to be more self sufficient? Of course. Can a motivated player without a house or land prosper through his buying and selling, crafting and adventuring? Absolutely.

The focus of the game is in the adventuring for materials with which to craft items in demand. Owning property will give you a slight edge over someone who doesn't, or will it?

The dynamics of the game in their entirety haven't been discussed yet.

And yes, I probably should have my wife reading through half of what I type. I type fast and often without looking and to be honest, I was never good in English anyway. :)

My comments were purposely harsh; I view any degree of P2W an anathema to MMORPGs.

 

Nothwithstanding, your proposed game is the first one that's piqued my interest in a very long time. I'll certainly be a close observer as your concept matures, and I'll be watching your kickstarter program, if you catch my drift.

 

Good luck, and please do consider what I said previously.

  Spider3

Novice Member

Joined: 10/17/12
Posts: 33

10/24/12 2:08:01 AM#25
Amazing! This could be really what we, UO nostalgic, were waiting for. I'll keep an eye on this for sure :)
  maplestone

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Joined: 12/10/08
Posts: 3109

10/24/12 3:25:23 AM#26
Originally posted by Mogus

Nothing sad about enjoying your rise to the top.

Except that I don't see myself on top.  I don't picture myself as a winner in waiting, but rather as the other guy.  That makes the pitch come out sounding very differently than I think you intended it to sound.

  emperorwings

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Joined: 12/25/06
Posts: 1424

10/24/12 3:29:52 AM#27
Want to know if people can steal stuff from your land or not or if you can lock stuff down you don't want people to take and leave other things that people can take if you want them to. Stealing is fun and everything but I'd like to control if stuff gets taken off my land or not or if I can give permission etc.

This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  Mogus

Novice Member

Joined: 5/21/04
Posts: 176

 
OP  10/24/12 10:57:03 AM#28
If we in fact implement stealing at all it will only be in open PVP areas.

www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!

  Biskop

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Joined: 10/06/11
Posts: 731

10/24/12 11:24:48 AM#29
So.. The whole map will eventually be owned by rich whales who will rule supreme and who people with normal funds won't be able to touch?

Just like the real world, then. I must say you've picked a fitting name for thos game..

Otherwise it sounds pretty interesting.
  Vesavius

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Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7493

Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

10/24/12 11:39:12 AM#30
Originally posted by Biskop
So.. The whole map will eventually be owned by rich whales who will rule supreme and who people with normal funds won't be able to touch?

Just like the real world, then. I must say you've picked a fitting name for thos game..

Otherwise it sounds pretty interesting.

 

This is a valid point... will there be limits to amount of land per account? I would guess not considering how easy it is to make alt accounts in a F2P game?

I never played it... is this model similar to Entropy Online?

Otherwise, I actually love the idea of a crafting focused MMO like this. I would prefer land to be achieved through in game play though, as opposed to real life cash, but that's just me.

I am not a fan at all of the name either, but again that's just personal taste.

  Spider3

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Joined: 10/17/12
Posts: 33

10/24/12 11:40:09 AM#31

I understand people having a bad reactions on a game where "richer is stronger".

But how comes that UO, pretty items based, still up and running after 15 years?

You can hate it, but this kind of system, it puts a lot of competition. For rare collectors, for traders, for real estate brokers. You want to get rich? earn it! You don't have time to gather resources and mine for 6h daily? Pay this time and buy virtual gold with true money. It working exactly like this in the real world, therefore it's logical to think it should be the same in a virtual world.

Of course, a balance is also needed. UO suffered a lot from the facts that PVP was only for 3l33t wearing dirty expensive gears.

Then they introduced doom gauntlet and all the artifacts. Here also the noob player, had an equal % to get an artifact like any other veterans. And sell it for a shitload of money. And got enough money to buy the so expensive +20 Scrolls (spawning only on PvP area).

Personally I think this system IS working perfectly, if the devs just find the right way to balance the PVP system, where new players can, after raised all their skills, get powerfull gears (in any way) to fight against vet. And leave to rich people the super ultra rare unique artifact costing millions that gives just a slightly minor bonus on various skills without being overpowered.

 

  Betaguy

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Joined: 12/31/04
Posts: 2653

Some folks are like Slinkies, totally useless but great fun to watch when pushed down stairs

10/24/12 11:45:35 AM#32
More Kickstarter bullpuckey scams imho.... more vaporware

  Spider3

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Joined: 10/17/12
Posts: 33

10/24/12 11:50:44 AM#33
Betaguy could be right..but not all kickstarter are for definition a scammer, no?  ;)
  Mogus

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Joined: 5/21/04
Posts: 176

 
OP  10/24/12 12:17:35 PM#34

Point taken Beta,

but I wouldn't be putting so much of my own personal resources into this if it were some kind of scam. 

My real name and who I am is all over the internet and my accomplishments are plenty. I assure you, this isn't a scam.

:)

As a matter of fact, I guess its ok to mention that I am working on setting up an online project management system that will allow Kickstarters to log in and view the progress that is being made on Greed Monger in detail. I dont think anyone has ever done that before. I'm just trying to make sure Kickstarters can read only and not change anything.

All will be announced at the proper time.

www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!

  TheeLord

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/16/06
Posts: 81

10/24/12 12:26:27 PM#35
Sounds a lot like factions www.factionsgame.com or xsyon www.xsyon.com best of luck to you, good looking graphics.
  Lynxeyed

Novice Member

Joined: 11/30/03
Posts: 76

10/24/12 12:36:34 PM#36
Definately all about a 3d ultima online housing experince! I will definately support an Ohio based company Looking forward to reading great things about this and hopefully playing it some time in the near future.
  Mogus

Novice Member

Joined: 5/21/04
Posts: 176

 
OP  10/24/12 3:29:38 PM#37

http://www.greedmonger.com/forum/forum.php

New forums are up. I took them back to VB4 considering how cluster VB5 is right now.

 

www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!

  Mogus

Novice Member

Joined: 5/21/04
Posts: 176

 
OP  10/24/12 11:06:56 PM#38

I've setup a new theme for the forums.

Should be much easier to use now.

www.greedmonger.com
Did you like Ultima Online? Then you'll LOVE Greed Monger!

  Abdiell

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Joined: 2/28/08
Posts: 102

10/24/12 11:13:21 PM#39

This is constructive criticism, please take it at face value. I would change the name if I were you. I saw this thread on the front page all day today, and did not click on it because when I saw Greed Monger, I immediatly thought tycoon style game. After seeing the thread a dozen times, I finally clicked.

 

I'm glad I did take a look because it looks awesome, and I applaud your effort.

 

People judge books by their cover. That is realty, and that is why so much money goes into branding. I stronly recommend you reconsider how your present your brand to the world.

  Deriums

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Joined: 2/28/09
Posts: 33

10/24/12 11:17:00 PM#40
Hey! I played UO back in 98' till AoS killed the game. Seeing we are both from ohio (like an hour apart) I'm guessing you played on probably LS?
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