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  nariusseldon

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12/17/12 3:15:34 PM#41
Originally posted by zethcarn

D3 was the fastest selling PC game of all time.  Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/05/23/diablo-3-is-fastest-selling-pc-game-of-all-time/

There's already 2 guarenteed expansions planned.  As far as Diablo 4 is concerned, I think it may be possible but not with Jay Wilson.  He pissed off way too many people.

And it is also consistent one of the top games on xfire, as pointed out. I bet the next expansion will sell out.

The latest 2 content patches (1.04 with better legendaries, & paragon levels, and 1.05 with monster power & inferno machines) are very well received.

  redcapp

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12/24/12 5:01:32 PM#42
Game was such an insult to the franchise I asked for a refund, and got one.
  simmihi

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12/25/12 6:22:46 AM#43
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by zethcarn

D3 was the fastest selling PC game of all time.  Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/05/23/diablo-3-is-fastest-selling-pc-game-of-all-time/

There's already 2 guarenteed expansions planned.  As far as Diablo 4 is concerned, I think it may be possible but not with Jay Wilson.  He pissed off way too many people.

And it is also consistent one of the top games on xfire, as pointed out. I bet the next expansion will sell out.

The latest 2 content patches (1.04 with better legendaries, & paragon levels, and 1.05 with monster power & inferno machines) are very well received.

Yes, the game got lots better with those new patches. There is some "advancement" going on, brought me into playing it again. I've got the feeling that Blizzard knew exactly what they were giving us with Diablo 3 as it is now. The game sold extremely well, but my feeling is that now they are not making much money out of it, RMAH is meh, people left in the game are mostly trading for gold. Blizzard will throw in two expansions, one fixing the main problem, itemisation (they'll probably bring cool items + runes + 1 new act) - and a second one, with two more classes and some alternate advancement in the form of a passive talent tree, and another act. Obviously each will cost about 40 bucks. It's consistent with Blizzard's policy, "why sell one game for 60 bucks, when you can split it into three parts and sell each for 50?"

  Painlezz

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12/25/12 6:33:56 AM#44
Originally posted by Zekiah
I won't be buying any expansions or any Blizzard games for that matter. D3 is a borefest and I simply don't trust them to deliver quality product anymore.

Diablo 3 was a quality product as proven by the massive sales.  Along with SC3, and just about every other title they have ever released? 

 

But, i'll simply add one point for you and other haters to consider...

 

Name one game that has done really well (by the standards you've set) in the past 5+ years?  ALL games are selling Millions of copies within a few days/weeks of release.  People play them, get bored quickly, and move on.  NO game released in the past few years has stuck around as a massive success.

 

I take that back, Minecraft?  League of Legends?  A few others I suppose?

 

Diablo 3, Call of Duty, Halo, and countless other AAA brands have released new versions that sold very VERY well but didn't hold peoples attention like back in the old days.  This is just the new trend.

  Painlezz

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12/25/12 6:36:22 AM#45
Originally posted by simmihi

Yes, the game got lots better with those new patches. There is some "advancement" going on, brought me into playing it again. I've got the feeling that Blizzard knew exactly what they were giving us with Diablo 3 as it is now. The game sold extremely well, but my feeling is that now they are not making much money out of it, RMAH is meh, people left in the game are mostly trading for gold. Blizzard will throw in two expansions, one fixing the main problem, itemisation (they'll probably bring cool items + runes + 1 new act) - and a second one, with two more classes and some alternate advancement in the form of a passive talent tree, and another act. Obviously each will cost about 40 bucks. It's consistent with Blizzard's policy, "why sell one game for 60 bucks, when you can split it into three parts and sell each for 50?"

Prob just 1 expand.  Diablo 2 only had one and had a larger"cult" following.

 

As for splitting one game into 3?  This is the new trend in hollywood movies, not really video games.  Starcraft 2 will be the FIRST title they do this...

  Yamota

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"I fight so you don't have to."

12/25/12 6:42:21 AM#46
Originally posted by BTrayaL

A game is more than just a name.

The first two games were made by a team of people, that invested something in their enterprise. They were called Blizzard North.

So yeah, I believe the francise is dead and burried, for me it is actually.

So is Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect series. So many good RPGs going away recently...

  nariusseldon

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12/28/12 2:58:54 AM#47
Originally posted by simmihi
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by zethcarn

D3 was the fastest selling PC game of all time.  Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/05/23/diablo-3-is-fastest-selling-pc-game-of-all-time/

There's already 2 guarenteed expansions planned.  As far as Diablo 4 is concerned, I think it may be possible but not with Jay Wilson.  He pissed off way too many people.

And it is also consistent one of the top games on xfire, as pointed out. I bet the next expansion will sell out.

The latest 2 content patches (1.04 with better legendaries, & paragon levels, and 1.05 with monster power & inferno machines) are very well received.

Yes, the game got lots better with those new patches. There is some "advancement" going on, brought me into playing it again. I've got the feeling that Blizzard knew exactly what they were giving us with Diablo 3 as it is now. The game sold extremely well, but my feeling is that now they are not making much money out of it, RMAH is meh, people left in the game are mostly trading for gold. Blizzard will throw in two expansions, one fixing the main problem, itemisation (they'll probably bring cool items + runes + 1 new act) - and a second one, with two more classes and some alternate advancement in the form of a passive talent tree, and another act. Obviously each will cost about 40 bucks. It's consistent with Blizzard's policy, "why sell one game for 60 bucks, when you can split it into three parts and sell each for 50?"

Your feelings? The game sold 10M+ copies .. that is like $600M .. and it will make tons of money even if it has a huge budget like TOR (which it probably does not).

In fact, read the recent Activision Blizzard financial statement. They cited D3 as teh reason they are doing well (amongst others).

 

  simmihi

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12/29/12 4:32:53 AM#48
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by simmihi
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by zethcarn

D3 was the fastest selling PC game of all time.  Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/05/23/diablo-3-is-fastest-selling-pc-game-of-all-time/

There's already 2 guarenteed expansions planned.  As far as Diablo 4 is concerned, I think it may be possible but not with Jay Wilson.  He pissed off way too many people.

And it is also consistent one of the top games on xfire, as pointed out. I bet the next expansion will sell out.

The latest 2 content patches (1.04 with better legendaries, & paragon levels, and 1.05 with monster power & inferno machines) are very well received.

Yes, the game got lots better with those new patches. There is some "advancement" going on, brought me into playing it again. I've got the feeling that Blizzard knew exactly what they were giving us with Diablo 3 as it is now. The game sold extremely well, but my feeling is that now they are not making much money out of it, RMAH is meh, people left in the game are mostly trading for gold. Blizzard will throw in two expansions, one fixing the main problem, itemisation (they'll probably bring cool items + runes + 1 new act) - and a second one, with two more classes and some alternate advancement in the form of a passive talent tree, and another act. Obviously each will cost about 40 bucks. It's consistent with Blizzard's policy, "why sell one game for 60 bucks, when you can split it into three parts and sell each for 50?"

Your feelings? The game sold 10M+ copies .. that is like $600M .. and it will make tons of money even if it has a huge budget like TOR (which it probably does not).

In fact, read the recent Activision Blizzard financial statement. They cited D3 as teh reason they are doing well (amongst others).

 

Yes, the game sold extremely well, as i've posted, but that's a thing of the past. They have those money already. Currently, Blizzard earns only from RMAH sales. I do not have access to their RMAH sales, but i know a lot of people in game and neither me or them sold anything lately in the RMAH. Therefore, my feelings are that RMAH does not bring "enough" to the table right now for Blizzard. The way to further monetize Diablo is to launch expansions. My bet is that they deliberately split the game into two or three, in order to sell two or three boxes (that's where their main income comes from). That was my point, sorry if it was not clear.

  Kothoses

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12/29/12 4:37:47 AM#49
Originally posted by thinktank001

I wouldn't count it out, but D3 has been a massive failure so far.  I still like it as is, but it has not even come close to the expectations I had before launch.

No, the game was not a "massive failure" it sold like crazy and made them a bucket load of cash and continues to have a sizeable active community.

 

The game was a massive disappointment for those looking for a D2 like experience, it was a massive let down for those who wanted an exciting dungeon crawler, and it was and continues to be too focused around making ongoing revenues for Blizzard in my opinion.  

 

But it is not a failure....

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  Rednecksith

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Bite my fiery metal ass!

12/29/12 4:57:07 AM#50

Funny, I got a great dungeon crawling experience out of D3. It's a fun game, with mechanics light years ahead of D2 in many respects.

Torchlight 2 was incredibly shallow, with crummy performance, terrible and uninspired skills / classes, and a story that was actually worse than D3's (not an easy thing to pull off). It no longer even has a place on my HDD.

So yes, I will be buying the expansion(s). The game is in a good place now, and things are being taken in the right direction. Should it have been closer to what it is now at launch? Absolutely. But most of the haters are like TotalBiscuit; they see the RMAH and immediately let that one feature color their perceptions of the entire game.

My only complaint at this point is that I don't have much time to play it, what with WoW, EVE, Smite, and other games (along with IRL responsibilities OFC) taking up much of my time.

  Sidad

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12/29/12 5:00:38 AM#51
Originally posted by Zekiah
I won't be buying any expansions or any Blizzard games for that matter. D3 is a borefest and I simply don't trust them to deliver quality product anymore.

Agree. On another note, Im amazed that some ppl still play D3. D2 is wa...aay better and more fun. D3 is the biggest letdown ever in gaming history imo. I dont even consider D3 game as part of Diablo franchise. Its more like bad knock off.

  tawess

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12/29/12 5:17:13 AM#52

So what people are actually angry about is that Blizzard is dipping in to their(the players) lucurative market of selling gear to people. Because that was a big think in the earlier games.

 

I find it a nice game, not something i play every day but to just drop in to every now and then and reduce some monster to a fine paste. In my mind it is neither worse nor better then the other Diablo games but then again i was never very emotionally engaged in the series.

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  nariusseldon

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12/31/12 8:05:22 PM#53
Originally posted by simmihi

 

Yes, the game sold extremely well, as i've posted, but that's a thing of the past. They have those money already. Currently, Blizzard earns only from RMAH sales. I do not have access to their RMAH sales, but i know a lot of people in game and neither me or them sold anything lately in the RMAH. Therefore, my feelings are that RMAH does not bring "enough" to the table right now for Blizzard. The way to further monetize Diablo is to launch expansions. My bet is that they deliberately split the game into two or three, in order to sell two or three boxes (that's where their main income comes from). That was my point, sorry if it was not clear.

Hmm .. this is a box game .. of course it made money on initial sales. RMAH can never be that big just because there is the gold AH. RMAH is really gravy.

The next big thing is not selling more D3 .. but selling D3 expansions, which were already anounced.

  mcburly

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12/31/12 8:11:10 PM#54
Well I was dissapointed in it and am done with blizzard after that..... but its sold, what like, 10 million copies already?? I guess we will see how well the xpacs do or a D4 down the road but sales wise D3 is good to go. The damage it did to the franchises future is yet to be seen though.

  madazz

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12/31/12 10:38:18 PM#55
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by simmihi

 

Yes, the game sold extremely well, as i've posted, but that's a thing of the past. They have those money already. Currently, Blizzard earns only from RMAH sales. I do not have access to their RMAH sales, but i know a lot of people in game and neither me or them sold anything lately in the RMAH. Therefore, my feelings are that RMAH does not bring "enough" to the table right now for Blizzard. The way to further monetize Diablo is to launch expansions. My bet is that they deliberately split the game into two or three, in order to sell two or three boxes (that's where their main income comes from). That was my point, sorry if it was not clear.

Hmm .. this is a box game .. of course it made money on initial sales. RMAH can never be that big just because there is the gold AH. RMAH is really gravy.

The next big thing is not selling more D3 .. but selling D3 expansions, which were already anounced.

While people didn't get entirely what they wanted with D3, I bet the expansions still sell like hotcakes! I enjoyed the game but was saddened when it didn't offer the amount of replay I wanted (not my type at least). If the expansions are fairly priced, hell even I am in for one.

  User Deleted
12/31/12 10:54:39 PM#56

Started playing this again recently.

 

Issues with the first go with the game, at launch, was that progression stopped pretty quick.  Inferno was nearly unplayble past a certain act.  Gear was near impossible to find making the issue of inferno being too much death more of a pain.  It was litereally one to two shots by anything killed you unless you were a good tank.

 

So anyway, inferno is now fun to run, its fast, lots of action, a bit more forgiving.  Loot drops more often.  Paragon levels adds another 100 levels and gives standard stats per level and megic find and gold find bonuses per level up untill it caps out...meaning once you max that youll never need to stack magic and gold find on gear.  Also some decent gear is now pretty easy to purchase on the AH (for in game money).  Monster power is a setting 1-10 you can set your game to, im assuming 10 is going to be ever harder than inferno was at launch, but adds rewards and gives you something to work for.

 

So in my eyes they fixed the two main issues with a game of this type.  Put progression back in, made the loot grind more enjoyable and less fustrating.  For me im having more fun than my first time around...and i came back to a level 60 character, it felt like a new alt but with gear, money and all my skills.  New breath of life into the game IMO.

 

Oh and i dont give a rats ass about pvp in this game, this is a game to feed my loot-whoring urges and spamtastic carnage urges.  Does both quite exelent now.  Only game i really have enjoyed from blizzard, and i like it much more than POE and TL for what its worth.  Just does actiony-carnage-loot whoring better imo.  And i dont need to reroll for variety, just swap a rune, possibly a piece of gear or two and im good to go with a completely different gameplay ont he same character (people hated the rune system over an overly complex and permanant stat system, im loving it tbh).

 

 

I would have rated the game a 5 or 6 at launch (was enjoyable untill you hit 60 then sucked), now rate this a 8-9 (enjoyable well past 60), rating only applies to this being a lobby based dungeon crawler btw.

  negacrowbar

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12/31/12 11:39:28 PM#57

You know that the RMAH is kind of a dead zone now. You have got to be a real idiot or a lazy player to buy items on it. Most days a million gold sells for about thrity cents, so for like a ten dollar investment, you can hall away about 33 million in gold to finance a complete set of legendary gear and gems to boot and still have some change.

The main action is in the AH where people wait til the least minute to jack youur bids and you feel like one of those Quibids morons trying to get an Ipad for 25 bucks.

This has devaluated the gear grind as it is super easy to just buy the gear you want.

The main reason that Diablo kinda sucks right now is its horrendous public game system. You would think after years of Wow and Starcraft, that they would have the best looking for group ssystem in place.

Not only can you not know who or what kind of group you are joining, but you also dont know what MP that group is. This makes it difficult to find a group for just loot drops, xp runs, or even key runs because there is no way to label exactly what type of group you want to join.

And this is only going to get worse when they add in dueling, because you wont know if you are joing a dueling game or a regular run.

This just makes it frustrating trying to farm the INfernal Machine on MP 5 or higher and you cant find a group to do these runs.

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12/31/12 11:51:47 PM#58
No I don't think it's defunct.  My guess is a D4 would sell millions, still plenty to make a profit.  All they have to do to sell boxes is make big promises on the feature list.  For all we know it might already be in development.
  thinktank001

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1/01/13 12:12:33 AM#59
Originally posted by Kothoses
Originally posted by thinktank001

I wouldn't count it out, but D3 has been a massive failure so far.  I still like it as is, but it has not even come close to the expectations I had before launch.

No, the game was not a "massive failure" it sold like crazy and made them a bucket load of cash and continues to have a sizeable active community.

 

The game was a massive disappointment for those looking for a D2 like experience, it was a massive let down for those who wanted an exciting dungeon crawler, and it was and continues to be too focused around making ongoing revenues for Blizzard in my opinion.  

 

But it is not a failure....

 

D3 didn't have massive sales because it was an awesome game.  It had massive sales because the prequel was an awesome game.   The hype and expectations were so high that alot of people were going to buy the game regardless of how good it was.  I guess you could say that D3 sold so well because of the brand recognition.    

  Gravarg

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1/01/13 12:16:31 AM#60

I don't know if Diablo 3 is doing as bad as people claim.  I never have to wait for a public game, and according to the chat system, I join "General Chat #83109" yesterday, and each general chat holds upto 100 people...by my math that's about 8,310,900?  I guess not all the channels arent' full but heck if 83k people play that's still better than what some are implying.  I still find people that will pay real money for my items within a few hours of posting them on the auction house, so there is either a really rich few, or alot of players that don't mind spending $5 on a superb piece of gear :\

 

 

As for brand recognition, it's kinda true.  Look at how many millions go out and buy every new Call of Duty piece of garbage that comes out...maybe Black Ops 2 will finally teach them that they're not going to change anything except a few maps and textures, and basically just reskin the older games.  Battlefield 3 is alot older, and Black Ops 2 is brand new, but looks and plays like Golden Eye 64 XD

 

Edit: I appologize for insulting one of the greatest FPS games ever...I loved Golden Eye :)

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