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  tazarconan

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OP  10/23/12 9:24:30 AM#1

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/6819/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-The-Comprehensive-Preview.html

For the last 2-4 months i ve read several posts from various ppl here in mmorpg,claiming things about how TESO was to be a wow clone,with the usual auto-attack combat system wow,eq etc etc has, but guess what...After reading the preview of that alpha tester here in the site the game uses the typical oblivion-skyrim, style combat system .Aim and attack,block dodge manually,even spells need a typical aim.And by reading the whole thread this game looks like a deep mmorpg ,even in terms of character progression.Exploration adn adventuring remains in high standards,as most ppl want also.

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Its too early too speak about it,but from what it looks from the preview i think i found the next mmorpg i ll be playing for the next 5-6 years when it comes.

  Mike-McQueen

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10/23/12 9:28:07 AM#2
Hey now play nice. I think a lot of people are slowly coming around to the new gameplay style as it's showing more and more that the idea isn't that bad. However no one can deny how amazing it would've been had it been true to the core of the TES games.

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  Entinerint

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10/23/12 10:40:15 AM#3

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!

I personally checked with several of the reviewers: combat is NOT real-time.  It is much akin to GW2, not quite like TERA (which is barely real-time).  There is soft-targetting.  You do NOT aim attacks.  You CANNOT swing your weapons freely.  You do NOT aim spells, swings or bows.  You DO have to be facing your target, and put your cursor over the target, but then, voila, auto-attack begins as long as you're in range.

It is a hybrid system, which is better than nothing, but they need to take it further, all the way: Mortal, Darkfall, TES-style before it is fully there.

They did a good thing by listening to the complaints and improving things.

Note that anyone who was there AND was also at the E3 presentation says a LOT has changed.  They are also no longer saying this stuff is impossible.  So there's hope that they may get to proper real-time direct-action combat system, but they may now just rest on their laurels on this one.

  kaiser3282

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10/23/12 10:51:05 AM#4

They actually said the majority of those things themselves. But as soon as they did, there was an instant flood of backlash from the community about it. Seems theyre working to quickly change some things around to make it more TES-like. It's still not quite what was expected in a TES MMO, bu tit is sounding much better and could turn out to be quite a promising game.

If this is true and they are actually working on revamping things due to player demand, this could be a great thing as it is a sign theyre willing to listen to their fans instead of insisting theyre just going to do wht they want adnd people just have to deal with it.

It is still in pre-alpha, but sounding pretty good so far. We will just have to wait and see how they implement some of the featurs which they mentione din the preview as not being in yet, as well as whatever else they come up with along the way up until beta & release.

  Pr0n

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10/23/12 10:52:28 AM#5
Welcome to the Internet, bro.
  Salenger

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10/23/12 10:53:38 AM#6
Originally posted by tazarconan

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/6819/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-The-Comprehensive-Preview.html

For the last 2-4 months i ve read several posts from various ppl here in mmorpg,claiming things about how TESO was to be a wow clone,with the usual auto-attack combat system wow,eq etc etc has, but guess what...After reading the preview of that alpha tester here in the site the game uses the typical oblivion-skyrim, style combat system .Aim and attack,block dodge manually,even spells need a typical aim.And by reading the whole thread this game looks like a deep mmorpg ,even in terms of character progression.Exploration adn adventuring remains in high standards,as most ppl want also.

So im wondering.. Why all those ignorant little pests were frieking lying about with their posts without knowing jacksheet missinforming,bashing a game they didnt have a clue what it is about in the 1st place.

Its too early too speak about it,but from what it looks from the preview i think i found the next mmorpg i ll be playing for the next 5-6 years when it comes.

lol, 

Dont get sold on TES online just yet, the article said the aiming was like Tera and partially tab targetted.  That aspect will be nothing like TES combat..at all.  The other aspects you described are already in many MMO's but not comparable to TES games, i feel the online version will be a copy of the block, dodge etc in those various MMO's.  Lets not forget this game is being made with the Hero Engine, which from what I have seen cannot make an online game anything like what a TES Single player game.

Im not bashing it, but everything is pointing towards this game being a typical MMO with TES Lore, now...they may do a very good job on this and may make it a lot of fun, but for me it has to be like the TES series and not just a rip off MMO using the lore from TES for big sales, which is what i am expecting.

I honestly do not feel that Zenimax can pull this off after reading every thus far, i mean some people enjoy MMO's like SWTOR and GW2 etc, I for one just cannot...and get bored of them very fast.  Now...if TES online comes out and its a sandbox style MMO just like the single player series then i am sold on it and will play until its demise, but thats the only thing im am willing to accept, i will not buy the game if i see third person only view, a hotbar, crappy combat and most of all instanced zones and lack of real exploration dungeon crawling.

But again, dont read that interview and get sold on it so quick, he compared the combat to Tera...Tera failed bad and imo had horrible combat system.  I also suggest going back in time and reading pre launch reviews for SWTOR on this site, you find the same gibberish about how good it is.

  Zekiah

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3. swindle, deception, or trick.

10/23/12 10:55:19 AM#7
Originally posted by zoamasters
Originally posted by tazarconan

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/6819/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-The-Comprehensive-Preview.html

For the last 2-4 months i ve read several posts from various ppl here in mmorpg,claiming things about how TESO was to be a wow clone,with the usual auto-attack combat system wow,eq etc etc has, but guess what...After reading the preview of that alpha tester here in the site the game uses the typical oblivion-skyrim, style combat system .Aim and attack,block dodge manually,even spells need a typical aim.And by reading the whole thread this game looks like a deep mmorpg ,even in terms of character progression.Exploration adn adventuring remains in high standards,as most ppl want also.

So im wondering.. Why all those ignorant little pests were frieking lying about with their posts without knowing jacksheet missinforming,bashing a game they didnt have a clue what it is about in the 1st place.

Its too early too speak about it,but from what it looks from the preview i think i found the next mmorpg i ll be playing for the next 5-6 years when it comes.

you forget sir,most ppl on this site are trolls.

Your grammar, punctuation style and first post leave me suspicious.

As for your OP, the odds of ESO having the same combat style system as Skyrim is very slim. It's all about the benjis these days and dumbing down is where it's at, especially for MMOs.

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  Salenger

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10/23/12 10:56:19 AM#8
Originally posted by Entinerint

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!

I personally checked with several of the reviewers: combat is NOT real-time.  It is much akin to GW2, not quite like TERA (which is barely real-time).  There is soft-targetting.  You do NOT aim attacks.  You CANNOT swing your weapons freely.  You do NOT aim spells, swings or bows.  You DO have to be facing your target, and put your cursor over the target, but then, voila, auto-attack begins as long as you're in range.

It is a hybrid system, which is better than nothing, but they need to take it further, all the way: Mortal, Darkfall, TES-style before it is fully there.

They did a good thing by listening to the complaints and improving things.

Note that anyone who was there AND was also at the E3 presentation says a LOT has changed.  They are also no longer saying this stuff is impossible.  So there's hope that they may get to proper real-time direct-action combat system, but they may now just rest on their laurels on this one.

The combat in this game failed the moment they decided to use the Hero engine, its just not possible with that engine at all.

But liek you said MO and DF both were able to make it work and they had/have a handful of people developing, im sure if this game wasnt all about a money grab that Zenimax could have changed the MMO world, instead i feel they have just take the lore and pasted onto a typical MMO.

But...i hope im wrong.

  Agnostic42

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10/23/12 10:57:00 AM#9
Originally posted by tazarconan

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/6819/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-The-Comprehensive-Preview.html

For the last 2-4 months i ve read several posts from various ppl here in mmorpg,claiming things about how TESO was to be a wow clone,with the usual auto-attack combat system wow,eq etc etc has, but guess what...After reading the preview of that alpha tester here in the site the game uses the typical oblivion-skyrim, style combat system .Aim and attack,block dodge manually,even spells need a typical aim.And by reading the whole thread this game looks like a deep mmorpg ,even in terms of character progression.Exploration adn adventuring remains in high standards,as most ppl want also.

So im wondering.. Why all those ignorant little pests were frieking lying about with their posts without knowing jacksheet missinforming,bashing a game they didnt have a clue what it is about in the 1st place.

Its too early too speak about it,but from what it looks from the preview i think i found the next mmorpg i ll be playing for the next 5-6 years when it comes.

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  Galadourn

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10/23/12 10:59:23 AM#10
I blame it on the official news releases by ZOS, which pointed to a more WoW-like experience. Then, after the outcry before and during the E3 presentation, they went silent and reworked on all those things people were whining about. How successful this tweaking will be remains to be seen, or if they've tried to use a band-aid to cure a deep wound.

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  stevebmbsqd

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10/23/12 11:02:01 AM#11
Originally posted by salenger
Originally posted by Entinerint

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!

I personally checked with several of the reviewers: combat is NOT real-time.  It is much akin to GW2, not quite like TERA (which is barely real-time).  There is soft-targetting.  You do NOT aim attacks.  You CANNOT swing your weapons freely.  You do NOT aim spells, swings or bows.  You DO have to be facing your target, and put your cursor over the target, but then, voila, auto-attack begins as long as you're in range.

It is a hybrid system, which is better than nothing, but they need to take it further, all the way: Mortal, Darkfall, TES-style before it is fully there.

They did a good thing by listening to the complaints and improving things.

Note that anyone who was there AND was also at the E3 presentation says a LOT has changed.  They are also no longer saying this stuff is impossible.  So there's hope that they may get to proper real-time direct-action combat system, but they may now just rest on their laurels on this one.

The combat in this game failed the moment they decided to use the Hero engine, its just not possible with that engine at all.

But liek you said MO and DF both were able to make it work and they had/have a handful of people developing, im sure if this game wasnt all about a money grab that Zenimax could have changed the MMO world, instead i feel they have just take the lore and pasted onto a typical MMO.

But...i hope im wrong.

And you know this because....you are a game developer?..... or you have significant experience using the engine?......

  Salenger

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10/23/12 11:03:40 AM#12
Originally posted by Galadourn
I blame it on the official news releases by ZOS, which pointed to a more WoW-like experience. Then, after the outcry before and during the E3 presentation, they went silent and reworked on all those things people were whining about. How successful this tweaking will be remains to be seen, or if they've tried to use a band-aid to cure a deep wound.

True enough, i think the main thing in the back of most sane peopls mind is TES online is being built with the hero engine and even though that engine is good for MMO's it is not good for what a TES game should represent.  Its going to be a themepark mmo with some sandbox elements, it might be ok...but its not going to be what everyone would have wanted with a title like this.

  apocoluster

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10/23/12 11:03:54 AM#13
Originally posted by agnostic4eve
Originally posted by tazarconan

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/6819/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-The-Comprehensive-Preview.html

For the last 2-4 months i ve read several posts from various ppl here in mmorpg,claiming things about how TESO was to be a wow clone,with the usual auto-attack combat system wow,eq etc etc has, but guess what...After reading the preview of that alpha tester here in the site the game uses the typical oblivion-skyrim, style combat system .Aim and attack,block dodge manually,even spells need a typical aim.And by reading the whole thread this game looks like a deep mmorpg ,even in terms of character progression.Exploration adn adventuring remains in high standards,as most ppl want also.

So im wondering.. Why all those ignorant little pests were frieking lying about with their posts without knowing jacksheet missinforming,bashing a game they didnt have a clue what it is about in the 1st place.

Its too early too speak about it,but from what it looks from the preview i think i found the next mmorpg i ll be playing for the next 5-6 years when it comes.

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  Salenger

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Joined: 11/29/04
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The true character of a man can be seen when they are given power.

10/23/12 11:06:43 AM#14
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

The combat in this game failed the moment they decided to use the Hero engine, its just not possible with that engine at all.

 

And you know this because....you are a game developer?..... or you have significant experience using the engine?......

Actually i have used the hero engine, it makes things easier for developers.

And if you look at any MMO built on it, none contain a good combat system.  The repopulation, SWTOR etc, all contain very boring combat systems and linear combat systems, the one thing the Repop has going for it is the sandbox aspects.

  Entinerint

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Joined: 5/06/12
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10/23/12 11:07:16 AM#15
Originally posted by salenger
Originally posted by Entinerint

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!

I personally checked with several of the reviewers: combat is NOT real-time.  It is much akin to GW2, not quite like TERA (which is barely real-time).  There is soft-targetting.  You do NOT aim attacks.  You CANNOT swing your weapons freely.  You do NOT aim spells, swings or bows.  You DO have to be facing your target, and put your cursor over the target, but then, voila, auto-attack begins as long as you're in range.

It is a hybrid system, which is better than nothing, but they need to take it further, all the way: Mortal, Darkfall, TES-style before it is fully there.

They did a good thing by listening to the complaints and improving things.

Note that anyone who was there AND was also at the E3 presentation says a LOT has changed.  They are also no longer saying this stuff is impossible.  So there's hope that they may get to proper real-time direct-action combat system, but they may now just rest on their laurels on this one.

The combat in this game failed the moment they decided to use the Hero engine, its just not possible with that engine at all.

But liek you said MO and DF both were able to make it work and they had/have a handful of people developing, im sure if this game wasnt all about a money grab that Zenimax could have changed the MMO world, instead i feel they have just take the lore and pasted onto a typical MMO.

But...i hope im wrong.

They used the heroengine to prototype the game.  The real game is built on something called ZENgine.  Still, I doubt they accounted for real-time combat when they built that thing either.

  Agnostic42

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Joined: 8/19/04
Posts: 353

10/23/12 11:10:08 AM#16
Originally posted by apocoluster
Originally posted by agnostic4eve
Originally posted by tazarconan

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/6819/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-The-Comprehensive-Preview.html

For the last 2-4 months i ve read several posts from various ppl here in mmorpg,claiming things about how TESO was to be a wow clone,with the usual auto-attack combat system wow,eq etc etc has, but guess what...After reading the preview of that alpha tester here in the site the game uses the typical oblivion-skyrim, style combat system .Aim and attack,block dodge manually,even spells need a typical aim.And by reading the whole thread this game looks like a deep mmorpg ,even in terms of character progression.Exploration adn adventuring remains in high standards,as most ppl want also.

So im wondering.. Why all those ignorant little pests were frieking lying about with their posts without knowing jacksheet missinforming,bashing a game they didnt have a clue what it is about in the 1st place.

Its too early too speak about it,but from what it looks from the preview i think i found the next mmorpg i ll be playing for the next 5-6 years when it comes.

Rules for reading forusm on this sight.

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3. If rule 1 and 2 do not work so well for you, and you feel a bit like a black sheep. Remember being a black sheep is now the norm, when there are so many black sheep, white actually becomes the odd sheep. But just remember, no matter how much of a different style of sheep you think you are, you are still being a sheep. Form your own opinions about games on what you can verify as being true, nothing more, nothing less---

 

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  Salenger

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10/23/12 11:10:58 AM#17
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by salenger
Originally posted by Entinerint

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!

I personally checked with several of the reviewers: combat is NOT real-time.  It is much akin to GW2, not quite like TERA (which is barely real-time).  There is soft-targetting.  You do NOT aim attacks.  You CANNOT swing your weapons freely.  You do NOT aim spells, swings or bows.  You DO have to be facing your target, and put your cursor over the target, but then, voila, auto-attack begins as long as you're in range.

It is a hybrid system, which is better than nothing, but they need to take it further, all the way: Mortal, Darkfall, TES-style before it is fully there.

They did a good thing by listening to the complaints and improving things.

Note that anyone who was there AND was also at the E3 presentation says a LOT has changed.  They are also no longer saying this stuff is impossible.  So there's hope that they may get to proper real-time direct-action combat system, but they may now just rest on their laurels on this one.

The combat in this game failed the moment they decided to use the Hero engine, its just not possible with that engine at all.

But liek you said MO and DF both were able to make it work and they had/have a handful of people developing, im sure if this game wasnt all about a money grab that Zenimax could have changed the MMO world, instead i feel they have just take the lore and pasted onto a typical MMO.

But...i hope im wrong.

They used the heroengine to prototype the game.  The real game is built on something called ZENgine.  Still, I doubt they accounted for real-time combat when they built that thing either.

Yeah i doubt they would use the hero engine, then completely revamp the combat system for their own engine.  But thanks i was under the impression it was all Hero.

  RavingRabbid

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Posts: 1133

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10/23/12 11:14:13 AM#18

If this game is anything like skyrim Im in. If it like some of the typical MMO's that have come out recently then im out. Nuff said.

 

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  Jakdstripper

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Joined: 2/14/10
Posts: 2144

10/23/12 11:14:19 AM#19

dear OP

Zenimax themselves said that the combat was almost exactly like WoW, and they also said that first person aim based combat was "not possible" and they "woudn't even look into it".

then of course everyone started screaming bloody murder as TES is mainly an aim based first person game.

 

so Zenimax quickly changed their mind about teh "not possible", and now they are trying very hard to incorporate some sort of half assed aiming mechanic to try please all the the very unhappy TES fans. unfortunately the aiming mechanic it's an after thought and the engine of the game is not ment for fps games. the game itself was not built arround an aiming, first person experience and what we will end up is some sort of half assed hybrid system that wont please anyone.

nobody lied to you. Why do you think we dont have a video yet?

  ste2000

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Joined: 2/28/04
Posts: 4736

10/23/12 11:23:07 AM#20
Originally posted by tazarconan

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/6819/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-The-Comprehensive-Preview.html

For the last 2-4 months i ve read several posts from various ppl here in mmorpg,claiming things about how TESO was to be a wow clone,with the usual auto-attack combat system wow,eq etc etc has, but guess what...After reading the preview of that alpha tester here in the site the game uses the typical oblivion-skyrim, style combat system .Aim and attack,block dodge manually,even spells need a typical aim.And by reading the whole thread this game looks like a deep mmorpg ,even in terms of character progression.Exploration adn adventuring remains in high standards,as most ppl want also.

So im wondering.. Why all those ignorant little pests were frieking lying about with their posts without knowing jacksheet missinforming,bashing a game they didnt have a clue what it is about in the 1st place.

Its too early too speak about it,but from what it looks from the preview i think i found the next mmorpg i ll be playing for the next 5-6 years when it comes.

That was 6 month ago, when people complained about the Combat.

Guess what, because of that, during these 6 months Zenimax improved it (but not good enough yet).

Result !

And it is not over yet, there is still a lot of room from improvement, so get used to the QQ cause we haven't done yet.

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