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  dg29031994

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Posts: 111

10/20/12 9:53:11 AM#101
IMO GW2 is a decent game. Although i have to agree that the combat is rebetative and there is not much for us to achieve as we goes to high lvl. But GW2 is different from other MMOs. In other MMOs like WoW, Aion, Tera,... pretty much all we do before we get to max lvl is grinding, there is not much to do in those game before we get to max lvl. GW2 is difference, we don't have to do Q to lvl, we can join WvW and lvl as fast as pve. And we event have DEs in pve world. Yes, the DEs is rebetative, but atleast it gives us something else to do beside quests. It also let us understand more about the GW2 world and react with other players. Like many people said. GW2 is not for everyone, i personally did not like GW2 at the first look. I'm the type of guy that like game with awesome skills animation and has beautiful world like Tera. I start playing GW2 because of its hype. But i changed my mind completely after the first beta. The world even though not as beautiful as Tera and the skills does not look as awesome as Aion, but the gameplay, story, and the contents in game are what that keep me playing. Aion and Tera has beautiful world and skills animation but they are lack of the contents. What else can you do beside questing before you get to max lvl? Leveling period is the time when you can enjoy, explore and understand the world. GW2 make me feel like playing and exploring, other MMOs can't. It feels like a job to lvl in other games, and by the time you get to max lvl, it is a job for you to farm gear because of course you don't want to lose to other players. And you cannot enjoy game if you keep losing right? That's my opinion, but like me and other people said, GW2 is not for everyone.
  niceguy3978

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10/20/12 9:54:05 AM#102
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by GwapoJosh

Trying to play the game on a system that is suppose to play the game but can't and gettn a refund = Good

Playing the game for days, gettin bored, and getting a refund = Bad

People who get refunds for getting bored is abusing the system and it makes them a massive d-bag.

Aye, I remember that guy who posted here after playing 100+ hours and having a level 80 char that he was going to ask a refund. And yes, it's very sad if ANet gives such a person a refund, I think American law is flawed on that point.

Try that in Europe, and you will be laughted at. But in the US of A, the land where you can trial a company because you were too stupid to wait that your coffee cools before taking a mouthful of it and burning yourself, everything is possible...

There really isn't any "American law" when it comes to refunds.  These things very state by state, and don't usually even kick in until we start talking about big ticket items that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars.  There is definitly no law requiring the refund of video or computer games, something I have complained about for a while.  You can get a refund on perishable items like food at most stores, but not video games.

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4620

10/20/12 2:28:47 PM#103
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by GwapoJosh

Trying to play the game on a system that is suppose to play the game but can't and gettn a refund = Good

Playing the game for days, gettin bored, and getting a refund = Bad

People who get refunds for getting bored is abusing the system and it makes them a massive d-bag.

Aye, I remember that guy who posted here after playing 100+ hours and having a level 80 char that he was going to ask a refund. And yes, it's very sad if ANet gives such a person a refund, I think American law is flawed on that point.

Try that in Europe, and you will be laughted at. But in the US of A, the land where you can trial a company because you were too stupid to wait that your coffee cools before taking a mouthful of it and burning yourself, everything is possible...

You don't know the details of that case - look it up.

The coffee was 180+ degrees which was spilled on her leg and caused 3rd degree burns that required skin grafts. She sued for 20,000 to cover medical expenses.

Then McDonalds low balled her with $800 offer - and also hid the fact that there were over 700 burn complaints due to how hot their coffee was. Your home made coffee is usually around 120 degrees.

Well good thing they lost the case and now their coffee is not scalding hot anymore.

 

Even still, this and that are completely different issues. To link them is simply out of context. That's a personal injury lawsuit, this is a consumer exchange policy.

Companies have been offering satisfaction guarantees for only ever. I guess generations of consumers who were dissatisfied and got their money back (under a satisfaction guarantee policy) are all DBs for not wanting to feel ripped off by some company. Did you know that if you are walking along the road and you find a rusty broken Craftsman hand tool that's been burried in the dirt for over a decade, you can take it to any Sears and get a brand new replacement no questions asked? That's exactly what happened to a friemd of mine. Was he a DB for doing that? No, If the manufacturer was happy to provide the replacement in exchange for positive word of mouth advertising, who's place is it to judge them for offering it? Beyond that, Who's place is it to judge someone else for taking them up on such an offer? The fact that this sentiment seems to be limited to this product and not other "Satisfaction Guaranteed" products tells me that some fans are more offended that someone rejected GW2 in the 1st place then they are that they tried to get their money back.

 

Seriously, this is betweeen ArenaNet and the customer. The fact that you don't like ANet's policy is none of your business. Maybe ANet has sold more boxes because people on the fence know they can get thier money back if they aren't happy and have gone ahead and purchased knowing there is minimal risk.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  fenistil

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Joined: 9/22/11
Posts: 3016

10/20/12 2:48:33 PM#104
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by GwapoJosh

Trying to play the game on a system that is suppose to play the game but can't and gettn a refund = Good

Playing the game for days, gettin bored, and getting a refund = Bad

People who get refunds for getting bored is abusing the system and it makes them a massive d-bag.

Aye, I remember that guy who posted here after playing 100+ hours and having a level 80 char that he was going to ask a refund. And yes, it's very sad if ANet gives such a person a refund, I think American law is flawed on that point.

Try that in Europe, and you will be laughted at. But in the US of A, the land where you can trial a company because you were too stupid to wait that your coffee cools before taking a mouthful of it and burning yourself, everything is possible...

I think you've spoken without knowing facts.  Actuall NCSoft Europe (it is handling european sales formally) is offering 30 day money back peroid for ANY reason also in Europe.  How do I know?  I am from EU myself and I know people that did.

Know what?   NCSoft Europe did give them money back.

 

I myself did not give it back because I bought my GW2 copy from 3rd party legit seller at about 25% lower price, but without ability to return it after purcharse and after using game. Plus I bought new PC over a month after GW2 release and I was waiting with final judgement of GW2 before I will have comfortable fps wise on high settings gameplay.

 

What I DO find wrong is if people try to charge back forcefully via bank / paypal - if producer does not offer return policy and product is good and they just don't like it.

IF producer is offering from their own free will a return policy - then I have no idea why you think it is bad?

Hell If I would be eligible to return policy set by NCSoft/A.net I would return it myself, but I am not complaining because It was my choice to not be eligible (and I got perks for beign not).

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5668

10/20/12 3:02:35 PM#105
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by GwapoJosh

Trying to play the game on a system that is suppose to play the game but can't and gettn a refund = Good

Playing the game for days, gettin bored, and getting a refund = Bad

People who get refunds for getting bored is abusing the system and it makes them a massive d-bag.

Aye, I remember that guy who posted here after playing 100+ hours and having a level 80 char that he was going to ask a refund. And yes, it's very sad if ANet gives such a person a refund, I think American law is flawed on that point.

Try that in Europe, and you will be laughted at. But in the US of A, the land where you can trial a company because you were too stupid to wait that your coffee cools before taking a mouthful of it and burning yourself, everything is possible...

I think you've spoken without knowing facts.  Actuall NCSoft Europe (it is handling european sales formally) is offering 30 day money back peroid for ANY reason also in Europe.  How do I know?  I am from EU myself and I know people that did.

Know what?   NCSoft Europe did give them money back.

I myself did not give it back because I bought my GW2 copy from 3rd party legit seller at about 25% lower price, but without ability to return it after purcharse and after using game. Plus I bought new PC over a month after GW2 release and I was waiting with final judgement of GW2 before I will have comfortable fps wise on high settings gameplay.

What I DO find wrong is if people try to charge back forcefully via bank / paypal - if producer does not offer return policy and product is good and they just don't like it.

IF producer is offering from their own free will a return policy - then I have no idea why you think it is bad?

Hell If I would be eligible to return policy set by NCSoft/A.net I would return it myself, but I am not complaining because It was my choice to not be eligible (and I got perks for beign not).

I've noticed a lot more companies offering software for sale with a refund if you don't like it.  I was looking at adding some software tools to our department and half of the products I was researching rquired the purchase up front.  I think it's good, but it also automatically removed them from the options list.  I couldn't justify to my boss the hassle and expense of spending $1000+ to test drive a few different tools with the possibility of a refund if we didn't like it.

Just wanted to point out that I noticed this being more common that it used to be.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  aphydork

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Joined: 10/19/12
Posts: 133

10/20/12 3:09:14 PM#106

I think that, within the first month or two, it's far better to simply refund a disgruntled player's money than to have them complain on the forums all the 1-2-3 months of your initial release.

There are still those people who complain a majority of the time but don't dislike it enough to ask for a refund completely, but every little bit helps, probably.

  User Deleted
10/20/12 3:24:04 PM#107

Not bored in the slightest, loving everything. I made this my new home because of all the advances they added to help curtail all the problems that come with PVE play. It's nice to be in the open world and not have someone try to kill you while you are farming, try to steal your stuff, try to train you with ten million mobs, and try to keep you from progressing because they disagree with your gearscore or dps.

This game is a very nice improvement. 

The crafting is very good because it allows the common player the ability to make full on sets if needed to help with the progression in the game, to make sets that give you a magic find to drops to improve your income and the ability to make end game armor that's just as good as drops. What more could you ask for. It also removed such things as impossible to drop recipes that people used to lord over everyone that were necessary items for quests to complete. don't miss that one bit.

Yall have fun on here I'm logging back in. :)

  User Deleted
10/20/12 3:40:02 PM#108
Originally posted by TeknoBug

 

Jesus how the hell did the coffee reach 180 degrees? Coffee isn't even supposed to reach boiling point to begin with.

It can't, he's posting nonsense. Coffee is basically water, and liquid water can't be hotter than 100°C under atmospheric pressure or it's no longer liquid but vapor (=gas). Even less when poured into a cup and already lost a good part of its heat. It's physically impossible for liquid water to reach 180°C under the pressure of 1 atmosphere, and that's definitely the pressure when poured into a cup.

I know that case well or I wouldn't have posted about it - it's basically the story of someone not able to admit it's own mistakes who found a good lawyer and got big money thanks to his own stupidity.

  aphydork

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Joined: 10/19/12
Posts: 133

10/20/12 3:48:00 PM#109

100° celsius = 212° Fahrenheit.

SCIENCE! Or... more unit conversion.

  User Deleted
10/20/12 3:51:25 PM#110
Originally posted by fenistil

I think you've spoken without knowing facts.  Actuall NCSoft Europe (it is handling european sales formally) is offering 30 day money back peroid for ANY reason also in Europe.  How do I know?  I am from EU myself and I know people that did.

Know what?   NCSoft Europe did give them money back.

Oh I'm sure they did - because they most likely have one worldwide policy aligned on the most restrictive laws. It doesn't mean it will work for all games in Europe. There's a good reason why European shops have a "no refund" policy whern it comes to online games - because the law allows them to have it.

Anyway, it's not really related to the original discussion - but asking for a refund when you played 100+ hours out of a MMORPG and have brought a character to max level makes you what the person I was answering to calls a "D-Bag", and it should not happen, but it's in line with the refusal to take their own responsibilities which seems to become more common every day in the current generation.

  User Deleted
10/20/12 3:54:29 PM#111
Originally posted by aphydork

100° celsius = 212° Fahrenheit.

SCIENCE! Or... more unit conversion.

If you want to make "science", you also know to put the right unit after your numbers...

180°F = 82°C. A pretty normal temperature for a GOOD coffee. It must be hot but not boiling. The person was an idiot who wasn't careful with a cup of coffee at normal fresh coffee temperature, refuse to assume consequences, whined, found a good lawyer, and got rewarded for her own stupidity. Point in case.

  just1opinion

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10/20/12 4:26:15 PM#112
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by GwapoJosh

There are shitloads of people playing the game for over a month and then getting a refund. Anet should say "Fuck you" to those people..

I have to agree with that (but more politely). Heck, most games I buy for $60 lasts me 2 weeks, if I would have tired of GW2 by now I would still be rather happy.

3 days or so, I can understand since the game still doesnt have a free trial but if you arent sure if a game is worth $60 or not after playing for a week you dont deserve any money back, and that goes for all games.

 

Agreed.

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  Thorkune

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Dyslexics of the world...UNTIE!

 
OP  10/20/12 4:32:01 PM#113
Originally posted by tort0429
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

I hear ya....

I really really really wanted to like LOTRO, got lifetime sub, I was buying all expansions, but after several tries I just couldn't make myself  even to log into it.  My highest toon is 63 I think... and I have few other alts, so it's not like I did not give a try.

I love Tolkien World and lore, hah I have a framed golden map of Middle Earth hang above my fireplace,  but I just could not get the feeling that I am part of the world.  I tried, tried and tried an finally gave up. This was not it.

I found this incredible connection in SWTOR... here I live lifes of my characters, to the degree I had never ever in any game... I even started to write my own stories LOL. It just clicked.

 

My point is that game has to have  this special something that makes you thrilled with anticipation every time you log in. Otherwise it's just a temporary thing.

Everybody has a different "need" for this thrill. That's why it's so great that there are so many different MMOs that we can hopefully find what we are looking for.

I wish you find MMO which will click for you :) Keep looking

 

Can I have it then?  Please?   :)

I was thinking the same thing.

  niceguy3978

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10/20/12 4:36:56 PM#114
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by fenistil

I think you've spoken without knowing facts.  Actuall NCSoft Europe (it is handling european sales formally) is offering 30 day money back peroid for ANY reason also in Europe.  How do I know?  I am from EU myself and I know people that did.

Know what?   NCSoft Europe did give them money back.

Oh I'm sure they did - because they most likely have one worldwide policy aligned on the most restrictive laws. It doesn't mean it will work for all games in Europe. There's a good reason why European shops have a "no refund" policy whern it comes to online games - because the law allows them to have it.

Anyway, it's not really related to the original discussion - but asking for a refund when you played 100+ hours out of a MMORPG and have brought a character to max level makes you what the person I was answering to calls a "D-Bag", and it should not happen, but it's in line with the refusal to take their own responsibilities which seems to become more common every day in the current generation.

I don't know about european shops, but nearly all retailers in the U.S. have a no refund policy on all games (not just online games) unless it is physically defective in some way (IE scratched disk).

  Vhaln

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10/20/12 4:41:54 PM#115
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by TeknoBug

 

Jesus how the hell did the coffee reach 180 degrees? Coffee isn't even supposed to reach boiling point to begin with.

It can't, he's posting nonsense. Coffee is basically water, and liquid water can't be hotter than 100°C under atmospheric pressure or it's no longer liquid but vapor (=gas). Even less when poured into a cup and already lost a good part of its heat. It's physically impossible for liquid water to reach 180°C under the pressure of 1 atmosphere, and that's definitely the pressure when poured into a cup.

I know that case well or I wouldn't have posted about it - it's basically the story of someone not able to admit it's own mistakes who found a good lawyer and got big money thanks to his own stupidity.

What about superheating, via microwave?  I don't know the science well enough to say for sure, but my understanding was that was involved, which does allow liquid water to exceed its boiling point.  It just needs to be microwaved with a tight enough lid.  Seems like the sort of thing a fast food place would do.

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  fenistil

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10/20/12 4:56:48 PM#116
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by fenistil

I think you've spoken without knowing facts.  Actuall NCSoft Europe (it is handling european sales formally) is offering 30 day money back peroid for ANY reason also in Europe.  How do I know?  I am from EU myself and I know people that did.

Know what?   NCSoft Europe did give them money back.

Oh I'm sure they did - because they most likely have one worldwide policy aligned on the most restrictive laws. It doesn't mean it will work for all games in Europe. There's a good reason why European shops have a "no refund" policy whern it comes to online games - because the law allows them to have it.

Anyway, it's not really related to the original discussion - but asking for a refund when you played 100+ hours out of a MMORPG and have brought a character to max level makes you what the person I was answering to calls a "D-Bag", and it should not happen, but it's in line with the refusal to take their own responsibilities which seems to become more common every day in the current generation.

Well I am not of opinion that developers, publishers, reailers/shops have to give this policy.  I am far from it.  I don't care tbh as I usually do a bit of research before buying games. On the other hand anyone who offer this kind of policy don't do it by accident and noone should be surprised that people will use it.

Doing force chargebacks in bank / paypal like some people do is other thing.

  fenistil

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10/20/12 4:58:46 PM#117
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by fenistil

I think you've spoken without knowing facts.  Actuall NCSoft Europe (it is handling european sales formally) is offering 30 day money back peroid for ANY reason also in Europe.  How do I know?  I am from EU myself and I know people that did.

Know what?   NCSoft Europe did give them money back.

Oh I'm sure they did - because they most likely have one worldwide policy aligned on the most restrictive laws. It doesn't mean it will work for all games in Europe. There's a good reason why European shops have a "no refund" policy whern it comes to online games - because the law allows them to have it.

Anyway, it's not really related to the original discussion - but asking for a refund when you played 100+ hours out of a MMORPG and have brought a character to max level makes you what the person I was answering to calls a "D-Bag", and it should not happen, but it's in line with the refusal to take their own responsibilities which seems to become more common every day in the current generation.

I don't know about european shops, but nearly all retailers in the U.S. have a no refund policy on all games (not just online games) unless it is physically defective in some way (IE scratched disk).

Same in Europe. Both in most of psysical and digital ones with some small exceptions.

  aphydork

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10/20/12 7:15:18 PM#118
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by TeknoBug

 

Jesus how the hell did the coffee reach 180 degrees? Coffee isn't even supposed to reach boiling point to begin with.

It can't, he's posting nonsense. Coffee is basically water, and liquid water can't be hotter than 100°C under atmospheric pressure or it's no longer liquid but vapor (=gas). Even less when poured into a cup and already lost a good part of its heat. It's physically impossible for liquid water to reach 180°C under the pressure of 1 atmosphere, and that's definitely the pressure when poured into a cup.

I know that case well or I wouldn't have posted about it - it's basically the story of someone not able to admit it's own mistakes who found a good lawyer and got big money thanks to his own stupidity.

What a silly mistake to make for someone who knows the case so well. Anyway, McDonald's keeps its coffee at 180°F until it needs to be poured. Normally, coffee is brewed at 200°F, meaning the water initially touches the coffee grounds at 200°F. It cools down considerably in your typical carafe. Upon serving, the temperature of the coffee drops to and is enjoyed at about 130-140°F.

McDonald's coffee is kept at 180°F and poured into foam cups that keep heat, which is enough to scald and cause third-degree burns. The idea was that they believed customers were buying the coffee to be enjoyed at a later time, not immediately. It was not intended to be served at 180°F. That temperature isn't normal, and third-degree burns are very serious.

You can't normally burn yourself that badly with homebrewed coffee. So, it's only proper for McDonald's to have the cautionary HOT on their cups.

I agree that the woman should have known that the coffee was hot, but your typical hot coffee is not a big deal. People lightly scald themselves all the time--but on much cooler coffee.

It's not really a frivolous lawsuit when you actually look at the details. It just sounds that way at first glance, and people kind of jumped on that misunderstanding bandwagon.

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And as for the return policy on software and games, it's really understandable. In some cases, there are things found in the boxes or cases that the retailers don't know enough about to check for when the items are returned. That and they have to discourage people from buying games, trying them, possibly beating them, and then returning within 30 days.

Anet and such can offer refunds, because it's their product. Retailers can't offer the same, unless they know for certain that Anet will cover the expense of a returned, open product (and, even then, it's a hassle that they might not want to go through).

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10/20/12 7:17:42 PM#119
Originally posted by Buttski
well... it's a pvp game.

It is?Wow...I quit playing because the pvp is horrible.

  Aerowyn

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10/20/12 7:46:03 PM#120
Originally posted by beerwig
Originally posted by Buttski
well... it's a pvp game.

It is?Wow...I quit playing because the pvp is horrible.

see you dislike PVP because of the downed mechanic.. once you get good with a group the downed mechanic is pretty great adds a ton extra enjoyment to PVP imho..  without it PVP would just be your standard fare stuff in sPVP but with it it adds a whole new layer to PVP. I didn't care for it that much at first but more I PVP more I enjoy it.

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