It is funny because FFXIV is on par or better than most other games on the market but becuase the FFXI fans had a gripe,others jumped on the bandwagon.The content Sqaure has added just since the failed launch is more than otehr games entire content package.

The old saying "you get what you paid for is still true".The only reason FFXIV failed is becuase it's true fans have been playing the best design ever in FFXI and were near impossible to pry away.FFXIV would had to be a near godsend game to take FFXI players away from an already great game.

FFXI players have been so satisfied that  all the yhad asked from Sqaure was to update the graphics.Sqaure got greedy and figured a newer version would warrant more money,a graphic upgrade would not.This does NOT mean FFXIV is a bad game,it just emans it is not as good as FFXI,but neither is any other game.

To show what i think of all the other shallow game designs,if i was not playing FFXI,i would probably play FFXIV  before any other game.

The ONLY other game i see coming that warrants my money is Archeage.i support game design effort ,not what a developer tells me is good,i use my own judgement.

Originally posted by Maelkor

@sovrath - What I think your saying is bascialy true, however, for those of us that are MMO fans in general and not necessarily Final Fantasy fans the likelihood that we will  pick tihs game up now is not very big. Our imaginations have moved on. Their chance to hook us was at that first release 2 years ago. I was even interested in it back then - could play it due to hardware issues - but now, I am not so much interested. It just feels like old news - nothing groundbreaking - just stuff that probably allready works well tied into a bit more modern engine.

 

While there is nothing wrong with that - there is also not a whole lot to draw in the large crowds - at least in the north american market. Now if the game turns out to actually be really good and do things just perfectly right - that could change and get the Non FF crowds interest again.

Well, essentially "it's a brand new game" so as long as they market this new version, it's very possible mmo players can have their imaginations excited.

Personally, I'm NOT a final fantasy fan. At al. Not at all.

But the art design and the quirkiness of the game sort of drew me in.

There really isnt a lot that is coming out "now" so I don't see any reason, provided they have done their jobs this time, that mmo players might decide to try try this.

Originally posted by Ripostethis

I think the OP completely missed that SE has completely redesigned the game, and even a brand new engine. It's not an expansion, or just a "rebuild" of Final Fantasy 14, it's a whole new game.

I also heard that people who have an FF14 account will get the new game for free as well.

I'm as open to legitimate criticism of FFXIV (or any MMO) as you can be - as long as that criticism is grounded in facts and voiced by someone who actually knows what they're talking about and represents the facts honestly. The OP, to be as blunt as possible, is so ridiculously skewed that it reads like the worst posts from the most biased members on these forums.

How about some factual issues in their post?

For one, he calls it "Kingdom Reborn". It's Realm Reborn. It's been Realm Reborn for several months now. It's been Realm Reborn on every news update to come out about it, in every video and every interview. For crying out loud, this site has been covering it from time to time, and there's more than enough information out there about it.

For another, he talks about the game being in development for 7 years. No. FFXIV 1.0 was in development for 5 years. ARR has been in development for around 2 years to date, and has more time to go yet.  That read to me like the OP deliberately fudging the facts just to spread the bash-fest that is their "article" a little thicker by artificially protracting the time-line.

The OP would do well to click on some of the links I have in my forum sig here. I created it specifically for people like them to actually get the facts. Of course, some people don't really want the facts. They just want an excuse to bash the target of their ire. Becoming informed would take the wind out of their sails.

For another, I have to laugh at how hypocritical people are in the MMO community. What do you see time and again when a developer has a poor launch and tries to "patch their way to making it better"? You see people say things along the lines of "They'd need to completely remake the game. They can't salvage what it is now". That's the main argument you see. "Too poor to be saved as-is. Needs a reboot".

Yet, here we are now with SE doing just that; giving FFXIV a reboot. 90% of the game has been completely redone from the ground up - the environments, the tech, the infrastructure, the content, and so on. Only the setting, the races, the world and some of the existing content (Primals, etc) remains in place.

And how are people reacting? Exactly the way they do to any other MMO that had a poor start... with complete dismissal and the typical "pile-on" mob mentality.

What does this tell me? Very simply, that the whole "they need to remake the game" argument is just hot air. It's just another way to bash on the game in question. They don't want to see the game recover. They want it to flounder and die so they can continue bashing it.

I'll tell you what needs a reboot: The MMO community.

I think its hilarious the amount of people acting immature and acting like SE duped them or something. Most people who played FFIV knew what the game was before they bought the game. If you are one of the few that didn't its your fault for buying sight unseen.

But I shouldn't be surprised by the I know what I am buying but  I will blame everyone but me comments on this site.

Haters is always gona hate it no matter what they do.

Then you have people who never played the game comment like they have!

This game was bad start but it was not terrible. it could be even worse!

But if you are truely Final Fantasy fan u should have patience beacuse square enix wont go down without a fight for it. 

New team who took over FFXIV said from start they coulden't do much about the current state of the game they could only made some patchs make the game abit more suit able for people who still is loyal for it " Yes im still playing " 

So basic they sit down rebuild game from scratch but still use the old FFXIV small content from it.

People talked about downgrade graphic but to be honestly i rather see that then another fail and alot people migh have high expectation hope it fails again!                                                       

I have play plenty of mmo that fail x10 times more some diden't even lanched open beta beacuse of the failure and other was never released either.

FFXIV is very uniqe mmo compare what is out there same goes for FFXI was also very unqie you could never say like the trolls did " Its wow copy" ....

So everyone deserves a second chance!!

Originally posted by adam_nox
the writer is barely old enough to drink legally.  Geezus when DAoC came out you would have been like 11.  Maybe I'm just bitter, but I wish more people who got the spotlight for their thoughts on mmo's actually had a history with them.

I don't mind younger writers, however I do wish more people who got the spotlights on this site were writing better / more thorough articles. Many of these are just turning into endorsed rants. While that's funny at times, there's way too much of that on this site as it is.

But... Final Fantasy.

In response to the people saying that FFXIV was not successful due to FFXI fans being unable to move on, I am a person who loves all things Final Fantasy. IV, V, VI, VII, X, X-2, XI, XII, XIII, XIII-2. I didn't really give VIII a chance due to disliking the Draw system, and I missed out on IX. And even I think FFXIV was poorly released. They made questionable design choices that have been removed--thank goodness.

Looking forward to FFXIV:ARR though. Fingers crossed.

Do what you want, cause a pirate is free.

So they got rid of the guy that had a not-so glowing review of SWTOR and replaced him with this OP? If anything, he should be the one"fired" as he can't even put up an article that makes sense. He gets so many things wrong (including the name, it's A Realm Reborn, not Kingdom Reborn....) it's just appaling.

At least the guy who wrote an overall negative review of SWTOR had a well-detailed and thought-out post about it (and seems he was right, wasn't he?). This OP can't even get the basic facts right and rely merely on speculation and his "ruined birthday". And what's more, shouldn't an editor be reading this first before it gets approved? How does this even pass as a good article when it's factually wrong on so many levels? Or is this OP merely cannon fodder to make the next Devil's Advocate article seem better?

Absolutely ridiculous, and this isn't about just FFXIV, but goes for any other game. This level of article should never get past the editor.

Originally posted by TangentPoint

Originally posted by Ripostethis

I think the OP completely missed that SE has completely redesigned the game, and even a brand new engine. It's not an expansion, or just a "rebuild" of Final Fantasy 14, it's a whole new game.

I also heard that people who have an FF14 account will get the new game for free as well.

I'm as open to legitimate criticism of FFXIV (or any MMO) as you can be - as long as that criticism is grounded in facts and voiced by someone who actually knows what they're talking about and represents the facts honestly. The OP, to be as blunt as possible, is so ridiculously skewed that it reads like the worst posts from the most biased members on these forums.

 

How about some factual issues in their post?

 

For one, he calls it "Kingdom Reborn". It's Realm Reborn. It's been Realm Reborn for several months now. It's been Realm Reborn on every news update to come out about it, in every video and every interview. For crying out loud, this site has been covering it from time to time, and there's more than enough information out there about it.

 

For another, he talks about the game being in development for 7 years. No. FFXIV 1.0 was in development for 5 years. ARR has been in development for around 2 years to date, and has more time to go yet.  That read to me like the OP deliberately fudging the facts just to spread the bash-fest that is their "article" a little thicker by artificially protracting the time-line.

 

The OP would do well to click on some of the links I have in my forum sig here. I created it specifically for people like them to actually get the facts. Of course, some people don't really want the facts. They just want an excuse to bash the target of their ire. Becoming informed would take the wind out of their sails.

 

For another, I have to laugh at how hypocritical people are in the MMO community. What do you see time and again when a developer has a poor launch and tries to "patch their way to making it better"? You see people say things along the lines of "They'd need to completely remake the game. They can't salvage what it is now". That's the main argument you see. "Too poor to be saved as-is. Needs a reboot".

 

Yet, here we are now with SE doing just that; giving FFXIV a reboot. 90% of the game has been completely redone from the ground up - the environments, the tech, the infrastructure, the content, and so on. Only the setting, the races, the world and some of the existing content (Primals, etc) remains in place.

 

And how are people reacting? Exactly the way they do to any other MMO that had a poor start... with complete dismissal and the typical "pile-on" mob mentality.

 

What does this tell me? Very simply, that the whole "they need to remake the game" argument is just hot air. It's just another way to bash on the game in question. They don't want to see the game recover. They want it to flounder and die so they can continue bashing it.

 

I'll tell you what needs a reboot: The MMO community.

 

 

 

 

 

 

WoW! Tangent, dude, you hit it right on the head with this. /applause

AN EFFING MMO COMMUNITY REBOOT!! I so wish that was possible.

I liked FF11 till they made it wow-easy mode, once they did I lost interest because it just became like every other easy mode mmorpg that has been out since wow came out. Abbysea ruined ff11 imo. Whats the point to a lv 99 cap when hitting it can be done in a day or 2? thats a major joke compared to what the game used to be. I also resubbed for a short time after abbysea was release, and I could not find any parties period outside of abyssea at all, and the major drawing point for me for ff11 was how party based the game was. Mind you, you need a party in abbysea but the exp gained is far far to high, when any common yuppy can hit 99 in 2 days the game just ain't fun for me anymore, I actually enjoyed the grind it used to have. It was one of the things that made ff11 unique, and now its lost that.

Back on topic, I played ff14 6+ months ago and I honestly didn't feel it was THAT bad, though leveling of combat-type jobs was far to quick compared to the rest, and there really isin't much else to do once you hit cap unlike ff11, which has stuff to do across all levels. Either way I am going to check out the relaunch since none of the current crop of mmorpgs are intersting to me at all, they all are just boring themepark world of warcraft clones and I am sick of that kind of gameplay.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Oh, Final fantasy.

 

Youre like an Ex Girlfriend ive broken up with but i cant get over. I know i shouldnt want to be with you, but Alas, i am looking forward to it.

 

Things will be different this time, wont they? WONT THEY!?

perfect analogy. it couldn't have been said any better.

ha.... i would assume this is some kind of conspiracy marketing of some sort.

even though the column seems very negative, but i think it creates more of curiosity to many ppl instead of hates.

also OP says to wait for next week's more positive thoughts... in other words, now that we got your attention, come back for more next time for the real marketing... 

admit it, nobody not  love to read and/or watch negative critics, e.g. idols? masterchef?, etc etc?

thats what the OP did there. =p

Originally posted by alyosha17

Is this why you guys don't list FFXIV: ARR in the upcoming games section, because you hold a grudge.

 

I'm going to say something which will probably get me banned, but this is a site which people come to for news.  So give us news, not some petty opinion-piece on the front page with zero information about the game.

 

There are enough crappy features in FFXIV: ARR to complaing about, so at least put some effort into hating it rather than just spamming the front page with one sentiment inflated into an entire article.

 

The developers at SE are making an effort to turn the game around, as a news site, try to report on that for once in your lives.  Honestly, the amount of ineptitude on this website is astonishing.  You never list new games until months after they're announced on other websites, you create this flawed opinion pieces with zero information to back up your claims.

 

Don't decide things for your readers! Give them the information so they can decide whether or not to hate the game.  You can't decide that for them because you had a bad birthday.  Honestly.  Get a grip.

This guy is right.  The article mentioned almost nothing about what is changing in the game.  SE has been almost reluctant to mention what they are changing in terms of gameplay.  You hear that they are changing the graphics, servers, maps, etc....  How is the gameplay changing?  They have said it will be faster and easier and that's about it.  So for all I know this is FFXIV 1.0 with a new face in easy mode.

Originally posted by Wizardry

It is funny because FFXIV is on par or better than most other games on the market but becuase the FFXI fans had a gripe,others jumped on the bandwagon.The content Sqaure has added just since the failed launch is more than otehr games entire content package.

The old saying "you get what you paid for is still true".The only reason FFXIV failed is becuase it's true fans have been playing the best design ever in FFXI and were near impossible to pry away.FFXIV would had to be a near godsend game to take FFXI players away from an already great game.

FFXI players have been so satisfied that  all the yhad asked from Sqaure was to update the graphics.Sqaure got greedy and figured a newer version would warrant more money,a graphic upgrade would not.This does NOT mean FFXIV is a bad game,it just emans it is not as good as FFXI,but neither is any other game.

To show what i think of all the other shallow game designs,if i was not playing FFXI,i would probably play FFXIV  before any other game.

The ONLY other game i see coming that warrants my money is Archeage.i support game design effort ,not what a developer tells me is good,i use my own judgement.

 

I would have to agree with most of this post. As a long standing and currently playing ffxi player I and many others just wanted a graphics update. Hell you could even keep the characer models and armor the same (they are still gorgeous). All you would have to do is redesign the environments honestly.

I'm not sure if other games out are worse than VIX but then again I haven't played them and probably won't either. Also I do know there is a large community in xi that just doesn't have the pc nor the capability to build a pc that could play xiv. Give those a while and many of them will jump ship most likely.