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  Caldrin

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10/18/12 8:21:55 AM#41
Originally posted by SlickShoes
 

The engine was utter trash in War Inc though, I have no idea why you expect them to fix the engine now when they wouldn't fix it in there previous game. Maybe they will now though with all the money they have raked in from this alpha debacle.

Also Big Rigs was utterly broken..

alpha debacle what on earth r u on about ? I do hope you not talknig about the masses of people who have no idea what an alpha test is ? and then started to cry?

Well the more time you spend working with somthing the better you will get at fixing things.. yes money will help as well from the pre-orders im pretty sure but thats only a good thing

 

 

 

 

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  SlickShoes

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10/18/12 8:27:47 AM#42
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by SlickShoes
 

The engine was utter trash in War Inc though, I have no idea why you expect them to fix the engine now when they wouldn't fix it in there previous game. Maybe they will now though with all the money they have raked in from this alpha debacle.

Also Big Rigs was utterly broken..

alpha debacle what on earth r u on about ? I do hope you not talknig about the masses of people who have no idea what an alpha test is ? and then started to cry?

Well the more time you spend working with somthing the better you will get at fixing things.. yes money will help as well from the pre-orders im pretty sure but thats only a good thing

 

 

 

 

Why are you offended by alpha debacle?

I am clearly referring to them selling access to the alpha version of the game and then masses of people moaning that the game is broken and not ready/demanding refunds. Now today the devs are apologising for the state of the game. If this was true alpha testing phase there shouldn't even be a need to apologise for the state of a game in alpha.  That is a debacle.

  Denambren

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10/18/12 9:49:13 AM#43

After checking out the embarassment that was War Inc., the base game engine for this game, I could smell the rat lurking behind the dressed up screenshots on The War Z web page.

  Butch808

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10/18/12 9:52:06 AM#44
Lol @ the ignorant fools around here.
  voltt

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10/18/12 10:02:53 AM#45
all i know is that i got a discount on a game by purchasing it this early, When the game comes out its still B2p. I didnt not buy alpha or beta access i bought the game and got access as a bonus. Im enjoying the game fine. If you read the froums things have been removed from this alpha build. This is not a representation of the game. THe game has not been in alpha for 2 weeks(idiots) and beta comes out in oct not fully completed game. I really dont see the problem why people are bitching. The dev team are pretty great follow their forums and you will find that out yourself. I am having ablast playing so you guys in colorado!
  Caldrin

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10/18/12 10:09:46 AM#46
Originally posted by SlickShoes
 

Why are you offended by alpha debacle?

I am clearly referring to them selling access to the alpha version of the game and then masses of people moaning that the game is broken and not ready/demanding refunds. Now today the devs are apologising for the state of the game. If this was true alpha testing phase there shouldn't even be a need to apologise for the state of a game in alpha.  That is a debacle.

Not really offended lol

 

This is exactly what i expected from an alpha tested as did many others..

Devs only really appologised because they needed to do somthing to stop all the people crying from posting how unfinished the game was.

I guess it was a mistake them allowing everyone to pre-order and get into alpha, they should have only offered that to people who actually registed to test the game.. So yeah i get where your coming from now.

Saying that for an alpha test the game is now very stable so hopefully they will start to add features in as well as other bug fixes of course.

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  jsgrim

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10/18/12 10:48:56 AM#47

If you're worried about this game then here's a breakdown in it's current state, and day to day updates:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0PDfsk7dDU&feature=g-all-u

  Synthetick

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10/18/12 10:58:08 AM#48
Originally posted by SlickShoes
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by SlickShoes
 

The engine was utter trash in War Inc though, I have no idea why you expect them to fix the engine now when they wouldn't fix it in there previous game. Maybe they will now though with all the money they have raked in from this alpha debacle.

Also Big Rigs was utterly broken..

alpha debacle what on earth r u on about ? I do hope you not talknig about the masses of people who have no idea what an alpha test is ? and then started to cry?

Well the more time you spend working with somthing the better you will get at fixing things.. yes money will help as well from the pre-orders im pretty sure but thats only a good thing

 

 

 

 

Why are you offended by alpha debacle?

I am clearly referring to them selling access to the alpha version of the game and then masses of people moaning that the game is broken and not ready/demanding refunds. Now today the devs are apologising for the state of the game. If this was true alpha testing phase there shouldn't even be a need to apologise for the state of a game in alpha.  That is a debacle.

It is a true alpha testing phase if you consider how long the game REALLY has been in development. And of course they are apologizing for the state of the game. You're forced into it when you have people like YOU clamouring all over the forums about a broken and incomplete game that's in ALPHA.

You didn't pay to test the game. I don't get where the hell people get that from. Paying to test a game would absolutely mean your game access is revoked at launch. With War Z, you paid for early access to an alpha client at a discounted price. You got your moneys worth in the sense you got extra access cheaper than the actual client is going to be at launch.

But jesus christ. When a game says alpha, if you assume it's not in a real alpha state and just want to play early, buy the game, then are disappointed, that is nobody's fault but YOURS. 

People have ZERO value over their cash. They throw it at anything and everything because they are desparate to spend it. Then it's spent, they don't feel they have anything to show for it, panic, and demand a refund. Bad financial management and decisions is your bad financial management and decisions. Imagine if every system in the world worked this way.

The only debacle is your actions. The game has had allllll kinds of reviews and reports about the product being questionable due to developer actions, how they have tried to cover their tracks, etc. Yet you still felt it was a good purchase. It's not an alpha debacle, it's going pretty much how everyone who has common sense expected it would go. There's only a small minority of people who see "PAY EARLY AT A DISCOUNTED RATE AND GET ALPHA ACCESS" and actually think it reads, "COMPLETE GAME. BUY NOW, CHEAP. BUGFREE AND COMPLETE WONDERFULNESS!"

  SlickShoes

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10/18/12 12:10:41 PM#49
Originally posted by Synthetick
Originally posted by SlickShoes
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by SlickShoes
 

The engine was utter trash in War Inc though, I have no idea why you expect them to fix the engine now when they wouldn't fix it in there previous game. Maybe they will now though with all the money they have raked in from this alpha debacle.

Also Big Rigs was utterly broken..

alpha debacle what on earth r u on about ? I do hope you not talknig about the masses of people who have no idea what an alpha test is ? and then started to cry?

Well the more time you spend working with somthing the better you will get at fixing things.. yes money will help as well from the pre-orders im pretty sure but thats only a good thing

 

 

 

 

Why are you offended by alpha debacle?

I am clearly referring to them selling access to the alpha version of the game and then masses of people moaning that the game is broken and not ready/demanding refunds. Now today the devs are apologising for the state of the game. If this was true alpha testing phase there shouldn't even be a need to apologise for the state of a game in alpha.  That is a debacle.

It is a true alpha testing phase if you consider how long the game REALLY has been in development. And of course they are apologizing for the state of the game. You're forced into it when you have people like YOU clamouring all over the forums about a broken and incomplete game that's in ALPHA.

You didn't pay to test the game. I don't get where the hell people get that from. Paying to test a game would absolutely mean your game access is revoked at launch. With War Z, you paid for early access to an alpha client at a discounted price. You got your moneys worth in the sense you got extra access cheaper than the actual client is going to be at launch.

But jesus christ. When a game says alpha, if you assume it's not in a real alpha state and just want to play early, buy the game, then are disappointed, that is nobody's fault but YOURS. 

People have ZERO value over their cash. They throw it at anything and everything because they are desparate to spend it. Then it's spent, they don't feel they have anything to show for it, panic, and demand a refund. Bad financial management and decisions is your bad financial management and decisions. Imagine if every system in the world worked this way.

The only debacle is your actions. The game has had allllll kinds of reviews and reports about the product being questionable due to developer actions, how they have tried to cover their tracks, etc. Yet you still felt it was a good purchase. It's not an alpha debacle, it's going pretty much how everyone who has common sense expected it would go. There's only a small minority of people who see "PAY EARLY AT A DISCOUNTED RATE AND GET ALPHA ACCESS" and actually think it reads, "COMPLETE GAME. BUY NOW, CHEAP. BUGFREE AND COMPLETE WONDERFULNESS!"

I didn't purchase the game at all, I haven't played it at all, you seem to have me confused with someone else although you did address my post to begin with.

They are selling the game at a "discounted" price with added access to the alpha and beta stages of the game, they even have the pricing tiered so some get in to alpha and some in to beta, if that isn't selling access to a phase that is usually closed to consumers then I have no idea what is.

You don't have to play it if you don't want to, you can wait until it's more stable but the majority of people don't think rationally about it and want it NOW NOW  NOW!

I won't touch the game anyway because it has micro transactions as well as you paying a box price.

  Thane

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10/18/12 12:20:07 PM#50
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by SlickShoes
 

The engine was utter trash in War Inc though, I have no idea why you expect them to fix the engine now when they wouldn't fix it in there previous game. Maybe they will now though with all the money they have raked in from this alpha debacle.

Also Big Rigs was utterly broken..

alpha debacle what on earth r u on about ? I do hope you not talknig about the masses of people who have no idea what an alpha test is ? and then started to cry?

Well the more time you spend working with somthing the better you will get at fixing things.. yes money will help as well from the pre-orders im pretty sure but thats only a good thing

an alpha is an INTERNAL test. no matter how often you guys wanna say it, this aint no alpha, dudes.

this clearly is a v ery early beta state.

 

 

anyway, why discuss over sth that actually never started? "i smell a rat here" is surely one of the lamer troll tries, but since it has neither facts nor an opinion behind it, it's clearly as useless as my contribution to the "topic"

 

anyway, when seeing the feature list it's hard to come to any other conclusion than "why?!!"

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  Vunak23

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10/18/12 12:26:00 PM#51
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by darkrain21
you do know its in alpha...right?

I can't think of many games that actually change from the time they let players in, to the time it goes live, regardless of the name they give the phase (alpha, beta, closed beta, etc.).  Having said that, alpha is usually a very early build meant for the developers and maybe close friends to play, just to test basic things out, like the major gamplay mechanics and game engine stuff.  Letting players in on an Alpha is either stupid on their part, or actually a beta phase named alpha to give them more time to build the game.

Except "most" games use beta as a marketing ploy to get people interested in the game. Why do you think RIFT only had beta weekends as did GW2 and many others. Its to give you a taste of the game and get you excited for whats to come. They already work out most of the bugs through internal testing. Beta's are stress tests and part of there marketing campaign/early money retrieval (Pre-Order/Pay now for Beta access).

Yes War Z did the same thing, but they are significantly smaller then say Bioware and SWTOR or ArenaNet and GW2. So there testing periods are for actually testing. Only time will tell though. I know I have been burned by many a game (FUUUU Mortal Online), so I don't pre-order/pay for games in general unless I have already tested it through a CBT, or have seen extensive gameplay. 

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  TheScavenger

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10/18/12 12:37:56 PM#52
I hope both WarZ and DayZ do good. Having bad games in the industry, is never good.

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  chase17tn

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10/18/12 12:38:35 PM#53
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by darkrain21
you do know its in alpha...right?

I can't think of many games that actually change from the time they let players in, to the time it goes live, regardless of the name they give the phase (alpha, beta, closed beta, etc.).  Having said that, alpha is usually a very early build meant for the developers and maybe close friends to play, just to test basic things out, like the major gamplay mechanics and game engine stuff.  Letting players in on an Alpha is either stupid on their part, or actually a beta phase named alpha to give them more time to build the game.

Really that is funny cause the game is alpha and your lucky they let you in that early i understand from closed to open not much changeing but alpha is nowhere near a closed or open/live beta. So the fact you think nothing will change is funny to me since alpha is allmost allways way diff. from any other beta test.

 


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10/18/12 12:49:45 PM#54
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  Sora2810

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10/18/12 3:54:41 PM#55
Originally posted by Mackeh

Am bailing out and contacting paypal first thing tomorrow for a refund.  I smell a rat with this game and want me money back while I still can.

 

Hope am wrong but am 99% certain am not.

Contact paypal and the developers; multiple people have been given refunds, try official sources first, then try paypal. Good luck with future games!

Try here too http://support.xsolla.com/

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  zigzagsII

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Joined: 10/17/12
Posts: 10

10/18/12 4:01:36 PM#56
The kid didn't even reply in his own post. Smells like a troll to me.
  LostHawk

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Joined: 4/05/03
Posts: 53

10/19/12 5:04:08 AM#57

Indeed, if you used Paypal it's really not needed to open a dispute or such.

Just mail support at Xsolla: they refunded me in less than 24h just by saying the game was not what I expected and that I wanted to cancel my pre-order (alpha access is just a bonus).

  Zadawn

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Joined: 11/04/10
Posts: 676

10/19/12 8:11:24 AM#58
Originally posted by SlickShoes
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by KrAv3
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Are you guys honestly going to try to argue that this game ISN'T a quickly slapped together cash grab?

This game is a huge cash grab.  To the people saying, "Oh but it's in Alpha stage!!", yeah what Alpha stage lasts, what 15 days?  Then Beta starts.....no, no, no.   

They know the engine well, they have sued it in their other game war inc.. because of this they should be able to fix any major engine issues pretty fast.
 

They actually posted on the forums asking the community if they wanted access to alpha as part of the pre-order, of course most said yes as they wanted to help out as soon as they could..

 

After yesterdays patch they game is very stable and playable.. so i cant see 15 days of alpha being an issue.

The engine was utter trash in War Inc though, I have no idea why you expect them to fix the engine now when they wouldn't fix it in there previous game. Maybe they will now though with all the money they have raked in from this alpha debacle.

Also Big Rigs was utterly broken..

That was in 2003

 

  SlickShoes

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Joined: 3/01/06
Posts: 1040

10/19/12 8:29:15 AM#59
Originally posted by Zadawn
Originally posted by SlickShoes
Originally posted by Caldrin
Originally posted by KrAv3
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Are you guys honestly going to try to argue that this game ISN'T a quickly slapped together cash grab?

This game is a huge cash grab.  To the people saying, "Oh but it's in Alpha stage!!", yeah what Alpha stage lasts, what 15 days?  Then Beta starts.....no, no, no.   

They know the engine well, they have sued it in their other game war inc.. because of this they should be able to fix any major engine issues pretty fast.
 

They actually posted on the forums asking the community if they wanted access to alpha as part of the pre-order, of course most said yes as they wanted to help out as soon as they could..

 

After yesterdays patch they game is very stable and playable.. so i cant see 15 days of alpha being an issue.

The engine was utter trash in War Inc though, I have no idea why you expect them to fix the engine now when they wouldn't fix it in there previous game. Maybe they will now though with all the money they have raked in from this alpha debacle.

Also Big Rigs was utterly broken..

That was in 2003

 

It's still on the guys record though

  Mackeh

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Joined: 3/19/09
Posts: 170

 
OP  10/20/12 4:54:03 AM#60

 

Sorry for the late reply.

 

The reason I "Smell a rat" is because of the following:

 

1.  The Legal Document was lifted from LOL

2.  The devs accidentally sold 30 keys instead of 1 to some customers, their response was "we fucked up".

3.  The game terribly coded, yes it's War inc with zombie clothes on it.

4.  The devs said it's been in development for 2 years.  What a load of tripe, it's a Dayz clone and that only came out this year.

Fact is guys the devs are telling big lies, their game is in an awful mess yet it's going beta in a few weeks.  When a game goes beta it's generally got all the features, very stable and just needs bugs finding and fixing, this needs open heart surgery and a tripple bypass.

 

What if they rush it through Alpha, Beta and release surfing on the back of Dayz grabbing your cash then buggering off?

 

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