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  Elikal

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“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

10/23/12 10:45:01 PM#121
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Unshra

I think that's an error on their site, the reason is that on the French translation it reads:

"Possibilité de s’équiper de tous les objets violets obtenus, à condition qu'ils respectent les condition en jeu (niveau, classe, etc.)."

Which translates to : 

"Able to equip all purple gear aquired, as long as they meet the in-game requirements (level, class, etc.)."

Which would make sense seeing the site clearly marks it as "Unlimited" which the English tip tool contridicts.

Edit: The Deutsch translation also says the same thing as the French translation, so I'm quite sure it's just a mistake on the English translation.

"Alle erhaltenen violetten Gegenstände können ausgerüstet werden, wenn die Anforderungen im Spiel erfullt sind (Klasse, Stufe usw.)."

Maybe it is a conspiracy? If people complain too much they can always say it was an error, if not they say the French and Dutch translation is the error...

Seriously, I dont think they are stupid enough to not include this in the subscription, that would actually loose them more players than just staying as P2P.

I am also surprised about those 5 medcenter visits, it sounds stupid to me (even though it at least doesnt punish the competent players). It will only hurt the noobs, the people they really do want to get to keep playing, they are the reason you want to have F2P in the first place.

EA need to think a little more on this if they want to turn the game around, being a little generous would actually earn them more points with the players and have the potential to bring back a lot of more people.

 

Their problem, dear Loke666 is, that Bioware is ABSOUTELY incapable to make cool looking armor and gear, lol. Otherwise they would rely on their skills to make tons of cool looking gear.  God knows I poured tons of money into REAL good looking gear in Champions Online and several Asia MMOs. Alas Bioware just could not make good looking armor if their LIFES depended on it. See SWTOR and all their single player RPGS ever since KOTOR1.  XD

Ok, I am sure someone can dig out THE one decend looking gear, but my point still stands. Fashion is NOT the strength of Bioware. Like, not at all.

 

EDIT: And what's with characters which were made before, got purple and all stuff, can they F2P or is their purple taken away?

Oh and where are my NAMES Bioware stole for me by forcing me on another server and then take my DAY 1 LEVEL 50 char names AWAY for some level 3 noob???

Oh and WHERE are the PROMISED very soon after launch coming Same Gender Romance Arcs?

 

Bah, altogether I don't want to play this farce of a game again.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Swanea

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 2380

10/23/12 10:49:12 PM#122
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Unshra

I think that's an error on their site, the reason is that on the French translation it reads:

"Possibilité de s’équiper de tous les objets violets obtenus, à condition qu'ils respectent les condition en jeu (niveau, classe, etc.)."

Which translates to : 

"Able to equip all purple gear aquired, as long as they meet the in-game requirements (level, class, etc.)."

Which would make sense seeing the site clearly marks it as "Unlimited" which the English tip tool contridicts.

Edit: The Deutsch translation also says the same thing as the French translation, so I'm quite sure it's just a mistake on the English translation.

"Alle erhaltenen violetten Gegenstände können ausgerüstet werden, wenn die Anforderungen im Spiel erfullt sind (Klasse, Stufe usw.)."

Maybe it is a conspiracy? If people complain too much they can always say it was an error, if not they say the French and Dutch translation is the error...

Seriously, I dont think they are stupid enough to not include this in the subscription, that would actually loose them more players than just staying as P2P.

I am also surprised about those 5 medcenter visits, it sounds stupid to me (even though it at least doesnt punish the competent players). It will only hurt the noobs, the people they really do want to get to keep playing, they are the reason you want to have F2P in the first place.

EA need to think a little more on this if they want to turn the game around, being a little generous would actually earn them more points with the players and have the potential to bring back a lot of more people.

 

Their problem, dear Loke666 is, that Bioware is ABSOUTELY incapable to make cool looking armor and gear, lol. Otherwise they would rely on their skills to make tons of cool looking gear.  God knows I poured tons of money into REAL good looking gear in Champions Online and several Asia MMOs. Alas Bioware just could not make good looking armor if their LIFES depended on it. See SWTOR and all their single player RPGS ever since KOTOR1.  XD

Ok, I am sure someone can dig out THE one decend looking gear, but my point still stands. Fashion is NOT the strength of Bioware. Like, not at all.

I will say, all the jedi/caster jedi/trooper/bh stuff looked TERRIBLE.  But, the agent/smuggler stuff was pretty good, honestly...At least the lower level stuff.

  Elikal

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Joined: 2/09/06
Posts: 8067

“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

10/23/12 10:52:07 PM#123
Originally posted by Swanea
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Unshra

I think that's an error on their site, the reason is that on the French translation it reads:

"Possibilité de s’équiper de tous les objets violets obtenus, à condition qu'ils respectent les condition en jeu (niveau, classe, etc.)."

Which translates to : 

"Able to equip all purple gear aquired, as long as they meet the in-game requirements (level, class, etc.)."

Which would make sense seeing the site clearly marks it as "Unlimited" which the English tip tool contridicts.

Edit: The Deutsch translation also says the same thing as the French translation, so I'm quite sure it's just a mistake on the English translation.

"Alle erhaltenen violetten Gegenstände können ausgerüstet werden, wenn die Anforderungen im Spiel erfullt sind (Klasse, Stufe usw.)."

Maybe it is a conspiracy? If people complain too much they can always say it was an error, if not they say the French and Dutch translation is the error...

Seriously, I dont think they are stupid enough to not include this in the subscription, that would actually loose them more players than just staying as P2P.

I am also surprised about those 5 medcenter visits, it sounds stupid to me (even though it at least doesnt punish the competent players). It will only hurt the noobs, the people they really do want to get to keep playing, they are the reason you want to have F2P in the first place.

EA need to think a little more on this if they want to turn the game around, being a little generous would actually earn them more points with the players and have the potential to bring back a lot of more people.

 

Their problem, dear Loke666 is, that Bioware is ABSOUTELY incapable to make cool looking armor and gear, lol. Otherwise they would rely on their skills to make tons of cool looking gear.  God knows I poured tons of money into REAL good looking gear in Champions Online and several Asia MMOs. Alas Bioware just could not make good looking armor if their LIFES depended on it. See SWTOR and all their single player RPGS ever since KOTOR1.  XD

Ok, I am sure someone can dig out THE one decend looking gear, but my point still stands. Fashion is NOT the strength of Bioware. Like, not at all.

I will say, all the jedi/caster jedi/trooper/bh stuff looked TERRIBLE.  But, the agent/smuggler stuff was pretty good, honestly...At least the lower level stuff.

Ok, some stuff looked ok. I still cringe calling it good. I saw games with REALLY good fashion and gear, and this was not it. Because this is good, then some games we need new hyperbole words.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Swanea

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 2380

10/23/12 10:53:18 PM#124
Originally posted by HellCaster

I'd be more inclined to play this again if I knew how many of my character names I lost.

Does anyone know if there is a way to tell without subscribing?

If someone still playing has your name on their friends list, your name will be hellcaster_231 if it needs to be changed.

  Swanea

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 2380

10/23/12 10:54:29 PM#125
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Swanea
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Unshra

I think that's an error on their site, the reason is that on the French translation it reads:

"Possibilité de s’équiper de tous les objets violets obtenus, à condition qu'ils respectent les condition en jeu (niveau, classe, etc.)."

Which translates to : 

"Able to equip all purple gear aquired, as long as they meet the in-game requirements (level, class, etc.)."

Which would make sense seeing the site clearly marks it as "Unlimited" which the English tip tool contridicts.

Edit: The Deutsch translation also says the same thing as the French translation, so I'm quite sure it's just a mistake on the English translation.

"Alle erhaltenen violetten Gegenstände können ausgerüstet werden, wenn die Anforderungen im Spiel erfullt sind (Klasse, Stufe usw.)."

Maybe it is a conspiracy? If people complain too much they can always say it was an error, if not they say the French and Dutch translation is the error...

Seriously, I dont think they are stupid enough to not include this in the subscription, that would actually loose them more players than just staying as P2P.

I am also surprised about those 5 medcenter visits, it sounds stupid to me (even though it at least doesnt punish the competent players). It will only hurt the noobs, the people they really do want to get to keep playing, they are the reason you want to have F2P in the first place.

EA need to think a little more on this if they want to turn the game around, being a little generous would actually earn them more points with the players and have the potential to bring back a lot of more people.

 

Their problem, dear Loke666 is, that Bioware is ABSOUTELY incapable to make cool looking armor and gear, lol. Otherwise they would rely on their skills to make tons of cool looking gear.  God knows I poured tons of money into REAL good looking gear in Champions Online and several Asia MMOs. Alas Bioware just could not make good looking armor if their LIFES depended on it. See SWTOR and all their single player RPGS ever since KOTOR1.  XD

Ok, I am sure someone can dig out THE one decend looking gear, but my point still stands. Fashion is NOT the strength of Bioware. Like, not at all.

I will say, all the jedi/caster jedi/trooper/bh stuff looked TERRIBLE.  But, the agent/smuggler stuff was pretty good, honestly...At least the lower level stuff.

Ok, some stuff looked ok. I still cringe calling it good. I saw games with REALLY good fashion and gear, and this was not it. Because this is good, then some games we need new hyperbole words.

I liked the smuggler/agent champion and whatever set was before that (recruit?).  It actually looked like they fit.  The newer ones....lol

  Elikal

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Joined: 2/09/06
Posts: 8067

“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

10/23/12 10:56:57 PM#126
Originally posted by Swanea
Originally posted by HellCaster

I'd be more inclined to play this again if I knew how many of my character names I lost.

Does anyone know if there is a way to tell without subscribing?

If someone still playing has your name on their friends list, your name will be hellcaster_231 if it needs to be changed.

God that pissed me off so much. I had THREE names, created them on DAY ONE, even with the expensive preorder+collectors edition, and I played them to level 50, 50 and 45, and then my server was said to move and I LOST ALL of them for some noobs below level 10! LIKE ALL of them, after they got famous and made a story and being the famous Sith or Jedi XYZ my names were stolen!

I am still so mad at Bioware for handling the merge like this, and not giving the older char the higher priority.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Vyeth

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Posts: 1461

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10/23/12 10:59:55 PM#127
You are getting the client for free... Give them 15 bucks to get your full unrestricted month of enjoyment out of the game like everyone else did and move on...

  Elikal

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Joined: 2/09/06
Posts: 8067

“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

10/23/12 11:05:50 PM#128
Originally posted by Vyeth
You are getting the client for free... Give them 15 bucks to get your full unrestricted month of enjoyment out of the game like everyone else did and move on...

Taha, ok, if you never played the game before, that is what I too would suggest. But I guess most people on this forum are prolly returners, rather. Not sure.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  TeknoBug

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Joined: 10/13/07
Posts: 2166

10/24/12 6:58:00 AM#129

The restrictions are horrible, you basically still have to pay a sub to experience this game or you'll just be a poor bum wandering around the game without a sub- at least they took out the vehicle and GTN restrictions. Really, I don't understand how someone could be excited about this game going F2P.


Most of the people in my guild and myself has uninstalled SWTOR, I think there's only TWO members in my guild that still plays it.


  Z3R01

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Joined: 9/09/08
Posts: 2457

MMO gamer since 1997

10/24/12 7:06:58 AM#130

 

I don't like having to buy equipment training to wear epics but if its a one time purchase for my character im ok with that (as long as its not too expensive).

I like that i can increase inventory space with in game coin.

It also seems they dropped the race restriction on character creation, if not then im ok with that as i only ever make human characters.

Playing: None

Waiting on: None

  WalterWhite

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Posts: 402

It's time to cook.

10/24/12 7:08:50 AM#131

Bioware/EA still have no clue and their game will still fail because of their idiocy. It's not hard to make F2P work as there are many many MMO's out their that are shining examples of how it should be done and it wouldn't take an idiot to realise this, but not Bioware/EA it seems.

Then when it does crash and burn, they'll be scratching their empty heads wondering why.

  Burntvet

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Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2734

10/24/12 2:10:18 PM#132
Originally posted by Scummyman

Bioware/EA still have no clue and their game will still fail because of their idiocy. It's not hard to make F2P work as there are many many MMO's out their that are shining examples of how it should be done and it wouldn't take an idiot to realise this, but not Bioware/EA it seems.

Then when it does crash and burn, they'll be scratching their empty heads wondering why.

These are the same morons that had almost unlimited money and the top sci-fi IP to build their MMO around and they sucked it.

It should not be a surprise that their F2P implementation is not only among the worst around, but on several points, it is just plain stupid.

All you can do is point and laugh.

 

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
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"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

10/24/12 4:51:43 PM#133

Some additional info from SWTOR website - from players so I can't guarantee it's totally correct:

 

Quote

From my understanding previous players coming back will be marked as "preferred status".

The only thing I can see a preferred status grants you is...


*The ability to run faster (Sprint) starting at Level 1.
*Cargo Hold access (Bank Slots) and higher login queue priority.
*Increased access to Chat and Secure Trading.

 

End of quote.


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  Sevenstar61

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"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

10/24/12 5:30:29 PM#134

The second video of the Cartel market

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5wJ1LfTHgs&feature=g-all-u


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  10/24/12 6:20:21 PM#135
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Some additional info from SWTOR website - from players so I can't guarantee it's totally correct:

 

Quote

From my understanding previous players coming back will be marked as "preferred status".

The only thing I can see a preferred status grants you is...


*The ability to run faster (Sprint) starting at Level 1.
*Cargo Hold access (Bank Slots) and higher login queue priority.
*Increased access to Chat and Secure Trading.

 

End of quote.

I guess this is nice if someone just wanted more crumbs.

 

The real screwup is all the stuff that returning players will not get.  Everything is now monetized.  Want to display a title? few bucks. ugh, lame.

 

The kicker is that EA is trying to get returning players back, yet telling them that all their previously earned gear can't be used unless the pay some more money to unlock a "purple gear" license .. horrible.  There is no motivation to download this game again with all the restrictions in place (those in the OP, and those being revealed as time goes on).

 

I could possibly live with a dollar or 2 per unlock of specific categories of PVP/PVE/space, but coming back with all the stuff I need will cost easily $100+ .. EA is really screwing the pooch here while trying to push subscriptions.  A subscription that many elected not to participate in, because the game was not worth it.

 

This game would not even have needed to go freemium if it simply had competent people at EA working on fast content and new game features (that people actually wanted).

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Sevenstar61

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1508

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

10/24/12 7:41:51 PM#136
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Some additional info from SWTOR website - from players so I can't guarantee it's totally correct:

 

Quote

From my understanding previous players coming back will be marked as "preferred status".

The only thing I can see a preferred status grants you is...


*The ability to run faster (Sprint) starting at Level 1.
*Cargo Hold access (Bank Slots) and higher login queue priority.
*Increased access to Chat and Secure Trading.

 

End of quote.

I guess this is nice if someone just wanted more crumbs.

 

The real screwup is all the stuff that returning players will not get.  Everything is now monetized.  Want to display a title? few bucks. ugh, lame.

 

The kicker is that EA is trying to get returning players back, yet telling them that all their previously earned gear can't be used unless the pay some more money to unlock a "purple gear" license .. horrible.  There is no motivation to download this game again with all the restrictions in place (those in the OP, and those being revealed as time goes on).

 

I could possibly live with a dollar or 2 per unlock of specific categories of PVP/PVE/space, but coming back with all the stuff I need will cost easily $100+ .. EA is really screwing the pooch here while trying to push subscriptions.  A subscription that many elected not to participate in, because the game was not worth it.

 

This game would not even have needed to go freemium if it simply had competent people at EA working on fast content and new game features (that people actually wanted).

I agree with you on last sentence. They should just get their hands busy instead of getting into panic mode. For that I would actually blame EA :)

We will see how it's going. I would actually like to see you back in the game one day.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  10/24/12 7:56:01 PM#137
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Some additional info from SWTOR website - from players so I can't guarantee it's totally correct:

 

Quote

From my understanding previous players coming back will be marked as "preferred status".

The only thing I can see a preferred status grants you is...


*The ability to run faster (Sprint) starting at Level 1.
*Cargo Hold access (Bank Slots) and higher login queue priority.
*Increased access to Chat and Secure Trading.

 

End of quote.

I guess this is nice if someone just wanted more crumbs.

 

The real screwup is all the stuff that returning players will not get.  Everything is now monetized.  Want to display a title? few bucks. ugh, lame.

 

The kicker is that EA is trying to get returning players back, yet telling them that all their previously earned gear can't be used unless the pay some more money to unlock a "purple gear" license .. horrible.  There is no motivation to download this game again with all the restrictions in place (those in the OP, and those being revealed as time goes on).

 

I could possibly live with a dollar or 2 per unlock of specific categories of PVP/PVE/space, but coming back with all the stuff I need will cost easily $100+ .. EA is really screwing the pooch here while trying to push subscriptions.  A subscription that many elected not to participate in, because the game was not worth it.

 

This game would not even have needed to go freemium if it simply had competent people at EA working on fast content and new game features (that people actually wanted).

I agree with you on last sentence. They should just get their hands busy instead of getting into panic mode. For that I would actually blame EA :)

We will see how it's going. I would actually like to see you back in the game one day.

Oh, you don't agree then that EA is trying to push subscriptions with their "F2P" model? :-)

 

It is nice to see you are emotional on this topic, with your wishing that EA was more competent with game making. Kudos?

 

The restrictions are still awful.  The 2 videos you posted help to show this - Everything will be monetized for freemiums.  There was an interesting question on the SWTOR official forums, "Will F2P's need to pay for map access?" .. if someone even has to even ask this, then there is something really wrong, regardless of if someone has to pay or not.  It's pretty bad.

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Sevenstar61

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1508

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

10/24/12 8:05:10 PM#138

Some good news from Darth Hater:


Wookiee Life Day Coming

After updating our DB yesterday with all of the current items included in the PTS patch, we discovered a few items worth covering on their own beyond the Cartel Market. One of these happens to involve a Star Wars-centric holiday event called Wookiee Life Day.

Woookieepedia

Life Day was a Wookiee holiday celebrated by the inhabitants of Kashyyyk every three years. It was a celebration of the planet's diverse ecosystem and the many forms of life it encompassed. It also was a time to remember family members who had died, and the young ones who continued to bring new life to a family. Life Day was a sacred holiday, and many Wookiees considered it their duty to return to Kashyyyk in order to celebrate it.

Items

It has been a while since we've heard anything regarding BioWare's stance on holiday events but for those who remember, it's not surprising to see events based on the Star Wars IP. Guess we'll have to see when this stuff rolls out, though if Star Wars Galaxies is any ballpark, it will occur during the Christmas holiday season.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  jmcdermottuk

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/10/06
Posts: 772

10/24/12 8:09:03 PM#139

Does TOR going F2P mean that EA can count old cancelled subs as "Active" now since they no longer need to subscribe? Will we see a sudden increase in the number of "Active" accounts in the news even if only a few people actually play the game?

 

It wouldn't surprise me if EA were to try and spin this. For me the game was a poor effort and being free won't make any difference. I don't play games that I don't enjoy. Doesn't matter if it's free or not. What pisses me off is the thought that EA will probably look at cancelled accounts and use them to buff the numbers and make them look good.

  Sevenstar61

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1508

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

10/24/12 8:10:18 PM#140
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

Does TOR going F2P mean that EA can count old cancelled subs as "Active" now since they no longer need to subscribe? Will we see a sudden increase in the number of "Active" accounts in the news even if only a few people actually play the game?

 

It wouldn't surprise me if EA were to try and spin this. For me the game was a poor effort and being free won't make any difference. I don't play games that I don't enjoy. Doesn't matter if it's free or not. What pisses me off is the thought that EA will probably look at cancelled accounts and use them to buff the numbers and make them look good.

I think it means that they won't have to report anything

Less trollalalalalala


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

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