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  gordiflu

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10/17/12 3:06:09 AM#141
Originally posted by Wendetta
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

LOTRO comes to my mind (before Turbine ruined the lore with flashy classes and turned it into the most awful pay 2 win model of the industry, of course), a good game, but not on my top list.

Yet it is still one of the best the F2P models in the industry.

If you're really into "pay to win", if that's your thing, sure... keep in mind that in LOTRO, the best gear with the best stats can only be obtained using the cash shop. Want the best legendary weapon? You NEED the cash shop. Also, want to compete in monster play? You will NEED the cash shop for your monster.

So please define "best", because from the player's point of view, it's definitely one of the worse.

I do not Pvmp, so I don't know what you are talking about. I haven't bought very many items at all and I don't struggle to kill anything that I want to kill, so all is good for me.

I am no Turbine Fan (no pointing to puns) but I call BS on that "pay to win" comment in PvE lotro land.

Unless you mean that free players need to buy instances from the cash shop you are really confused on what is Pay-To-Win gear. You just need to run raids/instances to get the "best" gear and with a willing party / good group even someone with chump gear can raid for the tokens or drops to get the "best" gear in the game. Since there no longer is radiance based gating mechanics for instances.

 

And as far PvMP goes, it must be pay-to-win if only you play it that way. Or are you "playing it wrong"? This is coming from a 80% fulltime creepside player who has played on servers with both variants of 100% freep domination as well as a strong creep domination. And I have yet to buy a SINGLE pay-to-win skill OR cash shop brand / potion for my creep. Since I dont play PvMP to pamper my ego I dont feel the need to splurge on the cash shop simply because I can hit the P2W button if I wished to. 

 

And I (kinda) agree with the previous poster (not the original poster spouting rancid BS) that LotRO has the best "freemium" model. Everything but freep moorplay can be bought by a f2p player who hasnt spent a single dime just by playing the game (over and over) to collect Turbine Points earned in the game. Few other games give the option to earn cash shop currency in such a convenient way.

When I check what's on sale at the Turbine store I see:

Healing potions (with NO cooldown)

Mana potions (again with NO cooldown)

Damage boosts.

Any kind of resistance boosts.

Now please tell me how those items are not pay to win.

  wrightstuf

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10/17/12 3:15:42 AM#142
Originally posted by mmoDAD
Is Guild Wars 2 really a MMO? I mean...  where's the exploration? Ultimately a gigantic scaled Battleground.

Wait....you cant find any exploration in gw2??.../boggle

  TeknoBug

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10/17/12 6:29:40 AM#143


Originally posted by fanglo
SInce I utterly hated GW2  this is easy, every MMO is better. Even the ones that died like tabula rasa.

I REALLY liked Tabula Rasa, it was one of the most decent sci-fi MMO's but with Richard Garriot in space and out of touch with the devs on the ground, NCSoft decided to cut it short with him and he filed a lawsuit on that when he returned home. It would've lasted longer if NCSoft didn't do that.


  TeknoBug

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10/17/12 6:33:53 AM#144


Originally posted by azmundai
I played Rift, and War much longer than I played GW2. I even played SWTOR longer than I played GW2 .. though that had mostly to do with the fact that a LOT of my friends are raving sw lunatics .. but I love em anyway. Even still Swtor was better in some ways because it had at least some community goals. GW2 is just too solo .. which is the same thing I felt about SWTOR. GW2 is worse in that respect imo. At least SWTOR had group content to do. It was crappy content .. but at least it was there. GW2 has a few dungeons and a ton of faceroll zergs .. not very fun.

I actually like the idea that everyone gets credit for everything .. but it also completely removes the need to actually socialize at all.

I know Rift has been talking about systems over content .. etc. Sounds like a smart idea, but what killed rift for me was the complete lack of replayability. Im not in favor of more 1-60 zones necessarily .. but some other way to progress I think it essential. I got 2 toons to 60 (or w/e cap is) and the second one was like pulling teeth. Was the most boring thing ive ever done. I quit because I had 2 fairly maxed toons and there was absolutely no way I was going to put myself through the hell of those boring quests again :| ... that and I absolutely hate LFDs.

Anyway .. im sufficiently OT now.



I'm still liking GW2, the world vs world pvp is insane, and I still do structure pvp once in a while (the flood of FOTM thieves ruin it atm though), and man going through ALL the zones trying to discover things that aren't documented on the map and I'm loving the necromancer class. With SWTOR, it was alright for the first month or so, but going through the SAME planets again with alts but patch 1.2 is what pissed me off, and then patch 1.3 just made it worse with the lowered TTK making it a gibfest in pvp- pvp was junk in SWTOR and grinding for Battlemaster before 1.2 was a pain and then they added Champion and then added War Hero, it's always a dangling carrot you gotta chase and that's not for me.


  Rimmersman

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10/17/12 6:37:14 AM#145
Originally posted by wrightstuf
Originally posted by mmoDAD
Is Guild Wars 2 really a MMO? I mean...  where's the exploration? Ultimately a gigantic scaled Battleground.

Wait....you cant find any exploration in gw2??.../boggle

Compared to a game like Vanguard, nope i can't find any exploration in Guild Bores 2.

  Kyleran

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10/17/12 6:45:55 AM#146

I really don't feel GW2 is a proper MMORPG as tradtionally defined, they've tossed out/changed to much so that it really is almost in a classification by itself, more of a MMOAPG (action or adventure) than anything else.

So can't really compare it to other titles as the OP's has asked.

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  ShakyMo

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10/17/12 6:52:18 AM#147
What exactly have they tossed out that stops it being a mmorpg?
  TeknoBug

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10/17/12 6:53:48 AM#148


Originally posted by Kyleran
I really don't feel GW2 is a proper MMORPG as tradtionally defined, they've tossed out/changed to much so that it really is almost in a classification by itself, more of a MMOAPG (action or adventure) than anything else.

So can't really compare it to other titles as the OP's has asked.



GW2 is an MMORPG, why must it have certain things to make it a MMORPG?


  Jockan

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10/17/12 6:56:19 AM#149
Nothing worth playing since the 2004 releases of WoW, Everquest 2, Lineage 2 and Guild Wars. Afther that the genre starting sinking and it still is today.

  Lienhart

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10/17/12 6:58:00 AM#150
It's called riding.
  Icewhite

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10/17/12 7:09:04 AM#151
Originally posted by TeknoBug
GW2 is an MMORPG, why must it have certain things to make it a MMORPG?

You realise that's a different answer, subjectively, for every player alive, right?

Part of the crisis that the industry is currently going through, the players aren't rookies any more. 

Thus we have mmorpg.com; players expecting different features, unhappy with the genre as a whole because no company is producing exactly what they expect.

The expectations don't change.  We expect the industry to change to produce games to meet individual desires.

Since that can't happen...   A lot of habitually unhappy people.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  nate1980

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10/17/12 7:13:35 AM#152
Originally posted by bcbully

Here is the list. Take a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games

 

If yes then which one(s).

 

Thanks.

 

 

That really depends on what you're looking for in a MMORPG. There are so many different kinds of MMORPG's released since 2005 including fantasy, sci-fi, modern, post-apocolyptic, super-heroes etc. There's also sandboxes, themeparks, sandbox/themepark hybrids. Other things to consider is if the game is P2P, B2P, F2P, or a hybrid pay system; open worlds or heavily instanced; the degree of character customization you prefer before and after character select; the degree of character progression offered and the variety of character progression; and of course class-based or skill-based progression systems.

There's many more things to consider than what I said above, such as the types of PvP preferred if any and the types of PvE preferred etc.

In other words, you've given us no basis to make a comparison, thus you'll get a variety of responses based on a persons own personal biases of what they prefer in a MMORPG.

  bcbully

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OP  10/17/12 7:16:44 AM#153
 
  Rimmersman

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10/17/12 7:20:44 AM#154
Originally posted by bcbully
 

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  bcbully

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OP  10/17/12 7:22:30 AM#155
Originally posted by Rimmersman
Originally posted by bcbully
 

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un needed response to a direct quote. 

  ShakyMo

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10/17/12 7:22:53 AM#156
Who the feck is it subjective

Is gw2 a massively multiplayer game? - YES, infact more so than glorified lobby games like wow, swtor and tsw.

Is gw2 a rpg? - YES, you level in it, you have stats & equipment, it tells some sort of story.

Therefore its a MMORPG

But please do elaborate what exactly is missing from gw2 that stops it been a mmorpg. If nothing else then for the comedy value.
  darkhalf357x

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I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?

10/17/12 7:27:57 AM#157

Baited question OP since 'best' is subjective and based on what you like to play.

Why stop at 2005?  To me EQ is better than GW2 when compared as a solid MMORPG (and not just MMO).  GW2 is phenomenal and I will support it from time to time, but feel they have changed so much of the model that I cant see it ever growing into a real RPG.  Then again perhaps thats the point.  A different type of game for a new type of gamer.

The more I see these 'evolutionary' MMOs, the more I believe the aspects which brought me to the genre simply will never return (open world, challenge, high levels, long levelling curve, no direction).  Have my eyes on ArcheAge which may be my last chance

Until then, Ill be in Norrath ;-)

  Omnifish

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10/17/12 7:27:57 AM#158

 Define, 'better'?

Okay I'm going to assume you mean time spent or time enjoyed within the game and for that I can think of five off the top of my head

1. SWTOR

2. DDO

3. WAR

4. Darkfall

5. DCUO

There are a few more but for brevity I'll leave it there. Of ones I've spent less time with I'd probably say Rift and TSW. So I'd comfortably say those listed offered a better MMO experience for me then GW2.

This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

  Rimmersman

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10/17/12 7:34:58 AM#159
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Rimmersman
Originally posted by bcbully
 

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un needed response to a direct quote. 

I just saw one empty boxes, perhaps my mind is playing tricks with me.

  User Deleted
10/17/12 7:40:37 AM#160

Besides WoW (which nobody will disregard just because you stated 2005 and onwards), I liked Rift & SWTOR a lot better.

I even liked Vanguard better, because it just felt so much more as a MMORPG (in the way I imagine it to be).

GW2 was better than AOC and WAR for me, though, and a lot of other games.

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