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  Gdemami

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Joined: 9/23/08
Posts: 7488

10/15/12 9:40:53 AM#21


Originally posted by shingoukieh
Been playing eve for years and why it only does small expansions??? Eve graphics are the same as before and all they do lately is spec ships or balance things. Basically making small subtlte changes. So every 6 months they do a small change. I would really like to see something huge and revolutionary added to eve. Ya know something that has hype like incarna was without the letdown

CCP has lost it's magic.

They can no longer do things right nor they have a clear vision for game future and ability to get there.


Nothing lasts forever.

  Chram

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Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 92

10/15/12 10:13:56 AM#22

What Malc said. Also, I would disagree on the "small change". Since Incarna, they have shelved the work on out of the blue features and focused on fixing broken things and making the game better. This was applauded by the layerbase at large. Recently more and more voices are grumbling that they would want to see something new, big and shiny and CCP is listening. I think the plan is to release Retribution (which is btw shaping up to be great so far), then have a summer expansion in the same vein and then a major expansion the next winter (source is just CSM hearsay and my speculation). Also, DUST will be integrated at some point and it could have a very large impact.

TLDR: Fear not, young gun, the time of Apocrypha style expansion may come yet again.

  Malcanis

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Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3213

"A very special kind of stupidity"

10/16/12 5:50:34 AM#23
Originally posted by Hazelle

The recent changes they are making and have made improve the quality of life of the players subscribed to the game.

I'm interested in retrubution changes which were badly needed and the change that they are making towards PvE which will supposidely do away with fitting a ship for PvE specific content.

Those changes alone radically change the game as far as empire space goes.  Unfortunately CCPs plan is to herd players into null sec so this next expansion is a total waste of time, money, and resources.

You were doing really well in that post up until the last sentence when you suddenly went all :tinfoil:

Still, if that's what you're most worried about, you should vote for me for CSM8.

Here's why: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26049

Summary: I believe that CCP should stop trying to pretend that hi-sec is just a starter area, and it shouldn't be the goal to "herd" players into lo-sec or 0.0 (although certainly lo-sec and 0.0 both need plenty of work to make them more attractive). Hi-sec is primarily populated by "convenience-orientated" players, and CCP should look to introduce high-end, high-risk, high-reward gameplay into an environment which suits people who don't have the time or the inclination to deal with the overhead of 0.0 life.

 

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  JaggaSpikes

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Joined: 6/21/06
Posts: 408

10/16/12 5:56:54 AM#24

they can't do "huge and revolutionary thing" in each expansion because anything that is added has to work with everything that exists. there is no obsolete content in EVE. 8 years old veteran still has reason to use cheapest frigate.

they used to do "huge and revolutionary" and game was (and still is, to an extent) full of systems/mechanics that don't work together. i'd rather see them do smaller things that actually work.

  sadeyx

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Joined: 11/22/06
Posts: 1570

10/16/12 6:02:56 AM#25

Your mistaken.

 

The expansion itself is huge,  but they release it in small bite's over 4/5 months.

 

This means you get regular updates that WORK as opposed to large updates which BREAK.

  Cyrael

Novice Member

Joined: 12/25/10
Posts: 60

10/16/12 6:13:12 AM#26
Originally posted by kaiser3282

1) They do more expansions on a more frequent basis than pretty much any other game

2) Theyre completely free, also unlike nearly any other game

3) They at least make some attempts to add actual new features / aspects to the game, even if they wind up not being very good. The standard expansion in most MMOs is equivalent to a new dungeon / zone that plays exactly the same as all the previous ones and doing something like moving skills around.

 

This was pretty much all that needed to be said.

  Chram

Novice Member

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 92

10/16/12 6:16:26 AM#27
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by Hazelle

The recent changes they are making and have made improve the quality of life of the players subscribed to the game.

I'm interested in retrubution changes which were badly needed and the change that they are making towards PvE which will supposidely do away with fitting a ship for PvE specific content.

Those changes alone radically change the game as far as empire space goes.  Unfortunately CCPs plan is to herd players into null sec so this next expansion is a total waste of time, money, and resources.

You were doing really well in that post up until the last sentence when you suddenly went all :tinfoil:

Still, if that's what you're most worried about, you should vote for me for CSM8.

Here's why: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26049

Summary: I believe that CCP should stop trying to pretend that hi-sec is just a starter area, and it shouldn't be the goal to "herd" players into lo-sec or 0.0 (although certainly lo-sec and 0.0 both need plenty of work to make them more attractive). Hi-sec is primarily populated by "convenience-orientated" players, and CCP should look to introduce high-end, high-risk, high-reward gameplay into an environment which suits people who don't have the time or the inclination to deal with the overhead of 0.0 life.

 

Wait mate, you really are running? What happened to all the ~can't be arsed~ ? But thinking about it, if you and James 315 got in as high sec reps, that would be truly glorious. :)

  Malcanis

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3213

"A very special kind of stupidity"

10/16/12 7:24:58 AM#28
The RL issues that deterred me from running from CSM7 have been resolved (my dad is now officially Not Dying Of Cancer), so I feel free to run next year.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  sketocafe

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/19/11
Posts: 679

10/16/12 7:32:17 AM#29
You didn't really just say that the graphics are the same as before did you? Even if you weren't playing before the entire graphics engine was revamped, CCP has been redoing shaders on ships as an ongoing process for the last few xpacs.
  Elsabolts

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/03/06
Posts: 2695

Life Liberty and the Pursuit of those that would threaten It

10/16/12 7:36:39 AM#30

Did I hear someone wisper? F2P with item shops in the future.

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6696

Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.

10/16/12 8:24:15 AM#31

I am also dissapointed by their "expansions". I would not mind paying for a proper expansion, one that does something big like rehauls the terrible UI or adds positional combat.

My guess is that their engine does not support these big things *shrug*

  kaiser3282

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Joined: 5/21/08
Posts: 2691

10/16/12 8:41:52 AM#32
Originally posted by Yamota

I am also dissapointed by their "expansions". I would not mind paying for a proper expansion, one that does something big like rehauls the terrible UI or adds positional combat.

My guess is that their engine does not support these big things *shrug*

Thats my biggest gripe with the game as well. As great as the game is overall, I would love to see it redone with a more intuitive UI and slightly different playstyle. Rather than being all menu clicking, etc give use something more along the lines of a flight sim as far as controlling your ship and combat goes.

Make it a bit more like Freelancer, but still keep it EVE, if that makes sense.

Its an awesome game, but it also gets kind of boring and tedious after awhile. Making it more "actiony" I think would keep it pretty fresh and fun.

  Yalexy

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 1045

10/16/12 9:29:35 AM#33

CCP provides two free of charge expansions every year for the last nine years. Some are smaller, some are really big.
Nothing to be mad about really and I would hope for more developers releasing expansions this often.

I'm hoping that they fix the damn sov-system and make 0.0 into a more dynamic space again, but I guess this won't happen anytime soon, so I'm staying away since I've allready had my fair share of 7 years of enjoyment with EvE.

  Nitth

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Joined: 7/29/10
Posts: 3446

Magic Propels my Rolly Chair.

10/16/12 9:33:04 AM#34


Originally posted by Rayshe
The expansions are small because your not paying for them. 

Really? what's that sub fee every month?


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  kaiser3282

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Joined: 5/21/08
Posts: 2691

10/16/12 9:46:35 AM#35
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Rayshe
The expansions are small because your not paying for them. 

 

Really? what's that sub fee every month?

Whats your sub fee in WoW? Then what do you pay per expansion?

You have a sub fee in EVE, you dont have to purchase expansions.

See the difference? The GAME is not free. The expansion is.

  Hazelle

Novice Member

Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

10/16/12 3:53:58 PM#36
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by Hazelle

The recent changes they are making and have made improve the quality of life of the players subscribed to the game.

I'm interested in retrubution changes which were badly needed and the change that they are making towards PvE which will supposidely do away with fitting a ship for PvE specific content.

Those changes alone radically change the game as far as empire space goes.  Unfortunately CCPs plan is to herd players into null sec so this next expansion is a total waste of time, money, and resources.

You were doing really well in that post up until the last sentence when you suddenly went all :tinfoil:

Still, if that's what you're most worried about, you should vote for me for CSM8.

Here's why: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26049

Summary: I believe that CCP should stop trying to pretend that hi-sec is just a starter area, and it shouldn't be the goal to "herd" players into lo-sec or 0.0 (although certainly lo-sec and 0.0 both need plenty of work to make them more attractive). Hi-sec is primarily populated by "convenience-orientated" players, and CCP should look to introduce high-end, high-risk, high-reward gameplay into an environment which suits people who don't have the time or the inclination to deal with the overhead of 0.0 life.

Which is where the faction system should of come into play.

You flag yourself to a faction and then do an activity at a higher risk for a higher reward.

SWG the same sort of flagging system and it was somewhat successful even with SWG's fairly worthless reward system.

  Gdemami

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Joined: 9/23/08
Posts: 7488

10/17/12 2:56:48 AM#37


Originally posted by Malcanis

Hi-sec is primarily populated by "convenience-orientated" players, and CCP should look to introduce high-end, high-risk, high-reward gameplay into an environment which suits people who don't have the time or the inclination to deal with the overhead of 0.0 life.
 

Yeah, because those people live in high sec and are being called "convenience-oriented" because high risk game play is what they are after...

  sadeyx

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Joined: 11/22/06
Posts: 1570

10/17/12 4:33:43 AM#38
Originally posted by Yamota

 I would not mind paying for a proper expansion, one that does something big like rehauls the terrible UI or adds positional combat.

But you cant do that on an mmo where everyone shares the same universe.

The technology involved is so much different to typical mmo technology that you cant simply 'over haul' something in one go.

 

They tried to do that before and it just breaks.   The way they do it now may mean smaller bites more regularly but long gone are the days of waiting 3 months after an expansion for it to be fixed.

  Malcanis

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Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3213

"A very special kind of stupidity"

10/17/12 9:09:37 AM#39
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by Hazelle

The recent changes they are making and have made improve the quality of life of the players subscribed to the game.

I'm interested in retrubution changes which were badly needed and the change that they are making towards PvE which will supposidely do away with fitting a ship for PvE specific content.

Those changes alone radically change the game as far as empire space goes.  Unfortunately CCPs plan is to herd players into null sec so this next expansion is a total waste of time, money, and resources.

You were doing really well in that post up until the last sentence when you suddenly went all :tinfoil:

Still, if that's what you're most worried about, you should vote for me for CSM8.

Here's why: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26049

Summary: I believe that CCP should stop trying to pretend that hi-sec is just a starter area, and it shouldn't be the goal to "herd" players into lo-sec or 0.0 (although certainly lo-sec and 0.0 both need plenty of work to make them more attractive). Hi-sec is primarily populated by "convenience-orientated" players, and CCP should look to introduce high-end, high-risk, high-reward gameplay into an environment which suits people who don't have the time or the inclination to deal with the overhead of 0.0 life.

Which is where the faction system should of come into play.

You flag yourself to a faction and then do an activity at a higher risk for a higher reward.

SWG the same sort of flagging system and it was somewhat successful even with SWG's fairly worthless reward system.

That's one example of the way that the principle could be implemented, and it gets discussed later in the thread if you care to read through it (you should, there's lots of good stuff in there)

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  Malcanis

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Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3213

"A very special kind of stupidity"

10/17/12 9:11:05 AM#40
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Malcanis

Hi-sec is primarily populated by "convenience-orientated" players, and CCP should look to introduce high-end, high-risk, high-reward gameplay into an environment which suits people who don't have the time or the inclination to deal with the overhead of 0.0 life.
 

 

Yeah, because those people live in high sec and are being called "convenience-oriented" because high risk game play is what they are after...

 

 

 

I mostly operate in 0.0 (Catch right now) and W-space. But I still keep a trader alt in Jita because it's so damb convenient. Not because I'm worried about her safety.

Read the manifesto; it might not say what you think it says.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

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