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  madazz

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10/14/12 12:08:36 PM#41
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by Manestream
Not really, if a game comes out thats classed as an F2P, I and i know at least a dozen or so other people do not even look at it (usually stay well clear). If a P2P game goes into F2P mode you know its time to leave or that the days are numbered. They only go into this mode because its been a failure and that they just want to milk the loyal supporters of as much as they can before finally hammering the nail in the coffin and laying it to rest.

 

So you avoid certain games just because of a label? you are missing out on lots of great and free gaming but as they say ignorance is bliss. 

Lots of great AND free? I guess ignorance is bliss if you think many of the sub-par f2p games are "great". If they were great people wouldn't be complaining as much lol. If they were actually great don't you think it would turn around by now? (again, there may be a very few select exceptions).

While I think F2P is in general a bad thing (for the majority of games, there are only a few exceptions), I am tired of seeing these threads too. Getting really old.

  Calerxes

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10/14/12 12:49:37 PM#42
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by Manestream
Not really, if a game comes out thats classed as an F2P, I and i know at least a dozen or so other people do not even look at it (usually stay well clear). If a P2P game goes into F2P mode you know its time to leave or that the days are numbered. They only go into this mode because its been a failure and that they just want to milk the loyal supporters of as much as they can before finally hammering the nail in the coffin and laying it to rest.

 

So you avoid certain games just because of a label? you are missing out on lots of great and free gaming but as they say ignorance is bliss. 

Lots of great AND free? I guess ignorance is bliss if you think many of the sub-par f2p games are "great". If they were great people wouldn't be complaining as much lol. If they were actually great don't you think it would turn around by now? (again, there may be a very few select exceptions).

While I think F2P is in general a bad thing (for the majority of games, there are only a few exceptions), I am tired of seeing these threads too. Getting really old.

 

Well one of the biggest and most popular game of the moment is errr! free2play and thats League Of Legends, DDO is a cracking game, LotRO bloody good game, Allods in its present guise is a very nice game if you like the WoW model and are interesting in massive flying guild Ship PvP , Runes Of Magic is the most played free2play MMO around and again if you like the WoW model, me personally I like Perfect World games and think they all offer a great experience and have very populated servers (though of course this is subjective) and the soon to be released RaiderZ is just incredible for a f2p play title and shows the gap in polish is basically non-existent between AAA titles and f2p, also Age Of Wulin/Wushu is entering closed beta soon and is a classless skill based Wuxia martial arts MMO based in Ancient China, Atlantica a great turn based MMO if you like more strategic slower combat, Twelve Sky 2 is an intense 3 faction PvP MMO. Do you want me to keep going? because I can. Such diversity exists in the P2P world?

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  Aelious

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10/14/12 1:14:10 PM#43
Right now there are too many grey areas when talking about "free to play". Not only are there different quality levels of games but many different payment models. By this time next year we should have a better understanding of what an MMO can do financially. Not only should quality games come out that are free, or freemium, but those that converted will see how their model of choice held up.

Regardless I stand in the "take responsibility for your finances" camp. A quality game needs income but you ultimately decide how much your gaming time is worth.
  GeezerGamer

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10/14/12 1:56:38 PM#44

The whole point behind MMOs started with the idea that you have t owork towards something. You want it? You go get it. You find like minded players who want it too and you work together to achieve it. Today's games and games with cash shops completely undermine that whole concept at it's very core.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Quirhid

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10/14/12 5:44:26 PM#45
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The whole point behind MMOs started with the idea that you have t owork towards something. You want it? You go get it. You find like minded players who want it too and you work together to achieve it. Today's games and games with cash shops completely undermine that whole concept at it's very core.

It would indeed undermine it, if the point was what you said. Luckily it isn't. I'm quite amazed you think thats the point of MMOs.

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  fenistil

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10/14/12 6:03:48 PM#46
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The whole point behind MMOs started with the idea that you have t owork towards something. You want it? You go get it. You find like minded players who want it too and you work together to achieve it. Today's games and games with cash shops completely undermine that whole concept at it's very core.

It would indeed undermine it, if the point was what you said. Luckily it isn't. I'm quite amazed you think thats the point of MMOs.

Point of any game is to provide entertaiment.  Difftent people find entertaiment in difftent things and his 'point' is quite common and cash shop indeed hurt it.

  Cecropia

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10/14/12 6:04:00 PM#47
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The whole point behind MMOs started with the idea that you have t owork towards something. You want it? You go get it. You find like minded players who want it too and you work together to achieve it. Today's games and games with cash shops completely undermine that whole concept at it's very core.

It would indeed undermine it, if the point was what you said. Luckily it isn't. I'm quite amazed you think thats the point of MMOs.

When you've completed your state of amazement, could you advise us as to the "point of mmos". Thanks in advance.

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  Loktofeit

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10/14/12 6:43:16 PM#48
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The whole point behind MMOs started with the idea that you have t owork towards something. You want it? You go get it. You find like minded players who want it too and you work together to achieve it. Today's games and games with cash shops completely undermine that whole concept at it's very core.

It would indeed undermine it, if the point was what you said. Luckily it isn't. I'm quite amazed you think thats the point of MMOs.

Point of any game is to provide entertaiment.  Difftent people find entertaiment in difftent things and his 'point' is quite common and cash shop indeed hurt it.

You are correct that the point of any game is to provide entertainment and that different things entertain different people, however you are confusing point with playstyle.

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  thinktank001

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10/14/12 6:50:22 PM#49
Originally posted by F2Pshill

 And also to attract players to a game that may not have a AAA budget or well known IP to attract Box Sales or paying subs.  F2P lowers the barriers and allows for more players to try out the game in an insanely competitive market.

How can it be any lower than a free trial?   I think you mean it provides " real NPCs " for the players that purchase from cash shop.  Anybody that plays a P2W game and doesn't purchase is simply content for their paying customers.

Even Atari in the 1980's went through a period of crappy games just to make a buck.  Not a F2P problem, but I agree it is a problem. Thankfully there are so  many choices available, the crappy games don't last anyway.

It is a problem for the P2W business model.   Their design limits are one of the reasons why games that implement a cash shop can never be considered AAA quality.

F2P, however, allows for more games to enter the market and brings about more competition and thus will allow for the better games to rise to the top.

This is simply untrue.  The beauty of the P2W business model is that it doesn't compete with P2P games.  Players can pay if they want to play it like a normal game, or simply not pay and stick with their P2P game.  

 

  Quirhid

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10/14/12 6:54:51 PM#50

Originally posted by Cecropia

When you've completed your state of amazement, could you advise us as to the "point of mmos". Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

...the point of any game is to provide entertainment...

Your welcome.

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  Quirhid

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10/14/12 7:03:12 PM#51
Originally posted by thinktank001
Originally posted by F2Pshill

 And also to attract players to a game that may not have a AAA budget or well known IP to attract Box Sales or paying subs.  F2P lowers the barriers and allows for more players to try out the game in an insanely competitive market.

How can it be any lower than a free trial?   I think you mean it provides " real NPCs " for the players that purchase from cash shop.  Anybody that plays a P2W game and doesn't purchase is simply content for their paying customers.

Even Atari in the 1980's went through a period of crappy games just to make a buck.  Not a F2P problem, but I agree it is a problem. Thankfully there are so  many choices available, the crappy games don't last anyway.

It is a problem for the P2W business model.   Their design limits are one of the reasons why games that implement a cash shop can never be considered AAA quality.

F2P, however, allows for more games to enter the market and brings about more competition and thus will allow for the better games to rise to the top.

This is simply untrue.  The beauty of the P2W business model is that it doesn't compete with P2P games.  Players can pay if they want to play it like a normal game, or simply not pay and stick with their P2P game.  

  1. Free trials are often very restricted and the access limited. The barrier for F2P or freemium games is lower.
  2. F2P does not automatically mean P2W.
  3. What was said about F2P bringing more competition is true. They very much compete with P2P games.

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  fenistil

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10/14/12 7:03:45 PM#52
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

The whole point behind MMOs started with the idea that you have t owork towards something. You want it? You go get it. You find like minded players who want it too and you work together to achieve it. Today's games and games with cash shops completely undermine that whole concept at it's very core.

It would indeed undermine it, if the point was what you said. Luckily it isn't. I'm quite amazed you think thats the point of MMOs.

Point of any game is to provide entertaiment.  Difftent people find entertaiment in difftent things and his 'point' is quite common and cash shop indeed hurt it.

You are correct that the point of any game is to provide entertainment and that different things entertain different people, however you are confusing point with playstyle.

Not necessarily.  Of course it boild down to personal choices and playstyle if use CS or not, or how to play a game at all. Still someone else working to achieve something in same game I play that use cash shop to get it - is for me like using cheats and undermine whole point I even play games in first place.  Exactly same reason I am extremly anti-bot and anti-goldsellers.

It's like sports.  In example in high-school I was running sprints. I did that because I liked it, because I liked to get better at it and I did it for competition.   Taking out any of those things would sooner or later make me drop it.  It kinda did.

Same thing with CS and mmoppg's. 

  TigerAero

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10/14/12 7:09:08 PM#53

Actually...I believe what is happening here is the MMO community is starting to look at the F2P gamers themselves. I believe people are starting to get annoyed with the people that push for every game to be F2P. I believe, whole heartedly, that the fingers are now pointing to the gamers themselves instead of the publishing houses.

 

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  Cecropia

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10/14/12 7:09:20 PM#54
Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by Cecropia

When you've completed your state of amazement, could you advise us as to the "point of mmos". Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

...the point of any game is to provide entertainment...

Your welcome.

I was hoping you were going to be able to tackle that one all on your own. "A" for effort though.

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  rungard

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10/14/12 7:15:51 PM#55

i think guild wars 2 did the cash shop perfectly. The items are generally for speed and cosmetic reasons and they really dont affect my gameplay any. Plus you can earn all that from ingame using your time if you wish.

I consider the GW2 model " the gold standard" . It also sets up your game perfectly for purchased expansions, content additions etc.

  TigerAero

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10/14/12 7:19:23 PM#56
Originally posted by rungard

i think guild wars 2 did the cash shop perfectly. The items are generally for speed and cosmetic reasons and they really dont affect my gameplay any. Plus you can earn all that from ingame using your time if you wish.

I consider the GW2 model " the gold standard" . It also sets up your game perfectly for purchased expansions, content additions etc.

I feal the same way. I should be able to pay to speed along my time invested. I clocked an hour of DE farming and I made 1.81 levels doing it. I got the consumable (looks like a pinball gimmick LOL) I got 2.96 levels.

 

Mind you this is starting at level 12 so well, I suppose even that kinda skews the results a bit but who knows. I keep that buff running non stop now.

  Ortwig

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10/14/12 7:27:24 PM#57
Originally posted by TigerAero

Actually...I believe what is happening here is the MMO community is starting to look at the F2P gamers themselves. I believe people are starting to get annoyed with the people that push for every game to be F2P. I believe, whole heartedly, that the fingers are now pointing to the gamers themselves instead of the publishing houses.

"You can only support the poor for so long before they have to get off their feet, themselves." ~ Anon

Who benefits the most from f2p games?  People who want to add another game to a subbed game (WoW + something else)?  Cash-stapped college students/kids in grade school without  credit cards?  Content locusts?  I guess I want to know more about gamers who push for "free." 

My take is that nothing is ever truly free, and getting nickel and dimed is more annoying that simply paying a regular sub for regularly delivered game content.  I almost feel that the ones who are most vocal about f2p are the same ones who power through a game's content in 24 hours then complain that there isn't enough "end game."  I think where some of the companies are going wrong is that they believe they'll get an influx of new players when they go free, but then only a small subset of that influx actually buys anything in the cash shop -- the majority are content locusts who quickly move on to the next game to complain that it isn't fee.

  TigerAero

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Joined: 1/09/09
Posts: 144

10/14/12 7:38:19 PM#58
Originally posted by Ortwig
Originally posted by TigerAero

Actually...I believe what is happening here is the MMO community is starting to look at the F2P gamers themselves. I believe people are starting to get annoyed with the people that push for every game to be F2P. I believe, whole heartedly, that the fingers are now pointing to the gamers themselves instead of the publishing houses.

"You can only support the poor for so long before they have to get off their feet, themselves." ~ Anon

Who benefits the most from f2p games?  People who want to add another game to a subbed game (WoW + something else)?  Cash-stapped college students/kids in grade school without  credit cards?  Content locusts?  I guess I want to know more about gamers who push for "free." 

My take is that nothing is ever truly free, and getting nickel and dimed is more annoying that simply paying a regular sub for regularly delivered game content.  I almost feel that the ones who are most vocal about f2p are the same ones who power through a game's content in 24 hours then complain that there isn't enough "end game."  I think where some of the companies are going wrong is that they believe they'll get an influx of new players when they go free, but then only a small subset of that influx actually buys anything in the cash shop -- the majority are content locusts who quickly move on to the next game to complain that it isn't fee.

 

 

Proof in the pudding man. :) Fingers are pointing more and more at the f2p gamers themselves.

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4678

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

10/14/12 7:42:40 PM#59
Originally posted by strangepower

News Flash!

A company's goal is to make money, more at 11 Jim.

doesn't seem to go that way when greed kills buinesses.

  Ortwig

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Joined: 4/20/12
Posts: 1047

10/14/12 7:50:47 PM#60
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by strangepower

News Flash!

A company's goal is to make money, more at 11 Jim.

doesn't seem to go that way when greed kills buinesses.

Greed cuts both ways.  Greedy players who demand free everything can also kill a business if not enough are supporting it.  A lot of players accuse businesses of being greedy, but in the end they need to make enough the keep the game going, and no one here can, with authority, tell us exactly how much is needed.  "Fair price" is always debatble, but businesses have every right to demand enough to keep their doors open and pay their employees reasonable salaries.

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