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10/14/12 12:50:25 AM#41
Originally posted by tawess

I personally don't think they were ever "that bad" (personal opinion and you can not zilch to change it) but ofc they have changed, if it is enough... who knows that do depend on that scale you you use.


But i would guess that in the eyes of most burnt SOE vets... Nope. I say that the work they have done to DCUO and now with PS2 is showing a more careful and balanced look on things.

Agreed. SOE made some severe mistakes, but with EQ2 and SWG they also made a lot of things right. As I heard those playing the old Planetside 1 were also quite happy with it.

So I too think they never were that bad.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?


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10/14/12 6:58:39 AM#42
Originally posted by Azaron_Nightblade
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Larsa

I agree that the words that come from SOE (yes, and from Mr. Smedley) lately sound good.

In all this ocean of casualness and convenience and streamlining SOE seems to follow another strategy lately, not so much the "hype and burn" to sell millions of boxes, but also with a view on the games' longevity.

Massively had a good article on Mr. Smedley's keynote at GDC online recently:

They haven't be so good to EU customers with the transitions to ProSieben. DCUO was a mess, EQ2 and others are in a delay currently because of the mess with DCUO. SOE were becoming generally rude to EU customers with this deal, probably getting fed up with all the negativity of it all, but no excuse if they want to be seen as professionals

Also EU customers have had to pay a sub to each game since about March, as can not get All Access. If you want to pay for a sub to DCUO, EQ, EQ2, Vanguard it costs £38.96 per month, when beforehand could get all of them for £13.99, and the cost of them per month under ProSieben costs £11.99 instead of £8.99

As for Planetside 2 and EQ 3, they are no longer worthwhile, as will be under ProSieben. I doubt these games will ever be available under SOE, to save transitioning. When they launch, they will be immediately under ProSieben.

SOE are good, and I would be committed to them for life, but they will no longer exist for us in EU, and ProSieben is the worst. If I was in the US, I may even boycott SOE games, for their treatment to the EU

Ugh, I didn't read that before replying... guess Planetside 2 is out for me too then.

I HATE it when some company delegates the handling of their EU version of the MMO to some charlatans who charge you through the nose for utterly crappy service. (I'm looking at you NCSoft/Aion! With your US Aion version that's truly F2P while the EU version has to pay GameForge to be able to do ANYTHING!)

Yep, I have had invites to the PS2 beta but have not bothered with it, as with ProSieben looming over it, it all seems pointless in bothering with it. If I don't like it then it will be a waste of time, and if I do like it, it will not be nice to have to give it up when it goes under ProSieben. If I can play under SOE, and not ProSieben, then I will start playing PS2

It is only certain countries that get the price hike, like the UK, because of the conversion rates. German customers still pay the same price as with being with SOE. As the UK is English speaking, then hopefully the UK will be removed from the deal, as SOE is good enough for us. Also trying to speak to German reps is not easy, but then some German customers say that they are not easy to speak to either! The latter could be resolved by someone from SOE going to work at ProSieben to deal with English customers, but that does not help the other non-German countries, and would be in the same boat being with SOE who mainly speak English. I think all they do is have German employees who then use Google translate to communicate to the other players from other countries!



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10/14/12 8:23:07 AM#43
Originally posted by Theocritus
     Im nto sure listening to the player base is always a good thing....Sure consider their input ,but I wouldnt want them to change everything anytime someone is whining about it.....

SOE listens sometimes but its a mixed bag


this year:


when SOE announced they were killing EQ Mac - SOE listened to player outcry and didnt kill it



ProSieben is being rammed down Euro players throats -- despite player outcry


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10/14/12 2:00:19 PM#44

Game Companys Never change, they are in the buisness of making money. Developers don't make games in the sprit of gaming anymore like they did way way back with Everquest 1. It's only about Money now. I don't care about Game Companys anymore, like or hate them. If one makes a good game, great, but what do I care if the game company gives you a sticker for being a good boy? They are only being nice because thats what they are trained and paid too do, you think they are being nice to you because they think your special? It's no differn't then buying a car at the dealership. Salesmen froffing at the mouth when they see a customer because they are going to make some comission off that person. I don't work for them, they don't pay me, and I'm not a fanboi so why would I care? I'm 32 years old not 5 anymore.


Sorry to come off so negative but it's the truth. Believe me game companys couldn't give 2 shits about you. They are sales people.


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10/14/12 2:15:32 PM#45
Originally posted by Threatlevel0
Originally posted by Jonoku

Also the problem with trying to make a new IP for sci-fi is lack of creativity. People can't do what LucasArts and StarTrekArts or whatever can do, that is why there is a lack of sci-fi mmos in the first place. Most sci-fi mmos are lame.(All fantasy genre/story is lame imo.)

Making a new IP for sci-fi is hard but if they have the swg elements right, I think it will succed. ex: I went to GW2 regardless of the IP or genre, it has the elements that I love.

I'm totally with you man, up till the elements you love in GW2...

There was many things I loved about SWG, but I don't see any of them in GW2.   I'm playing GW2 as well right now, kind of casually, so I'm there with ya but what elements is it you love that are anything similar to SWG?  

I'd be happy with a Arcanum style setting, maybe more high-tech, as the Star Wars IP is basically just fantasy with lightsabers. Replace Jedi with magic and there you have it.   Honestly a setting designed for a MMORPG would be much more preferable to me at least.  Plus lightsabers everywhere gets boring, SWTOR was nothing but a saber-fest.

GW2 is no where near SWG(I should've made it more specific and better i know, fail on my part), its the fact that GW2 is new to me and the pvp style of WvW is very fun to me, since its large scale pvp, its just I haven't felt so hyped and happy about the game since like SWG days. Even though its not sandbox it has nice art and landscapes  its just so different then the other fail themeparks. GW2 feels massive as SWG felt massive to me as well, I guess thats a similarity.

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10/14/12 2:17:55 PM#46
Originally posted by Lazzaro


Originally posted by Jonoku
Also the problem with trying to make a new IP for sci-fi is lack of creativity. People can't do what LucasArts and StarTrekArts or whatever can do, that is why there is a lack of sci-fi mmos in the first place. Most sci-fi mmos are lame.(All fantasy genre/story is lame imo.)


Making a new IP for sci-fi is hard but if they have the swg elements right, I think it will succed. ex: I went to GW2 regardless of the IP or genre, it has the elements that I love.



The Repopulation is doing just this.

not Literally but ya. from what I hear, the repopulation lacks OPvP. If I get proved wrong it isn't going to hurt me, it'll just be another game that'll excite me with a massive world feel to it(in a good way).

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10/15/12 3:15:22 AM#47
O yes, amazing what they do with Planetside 2, they talk with us on facebook and already we got new update with so many new things. It looks that new team is working on Planetside 2 and when they continue that way i give them my money

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10/15/12 4:54:07 AM#48
I dunno if SOE changed. I've been their customer since 2007 and I havent noticed much recently. Then again I hardly if ever log into Vanguard anymore, anyway. Probably should stop my subscription, lol. Oh well.
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