Originally posted by grimgryphon

Show me that data that proves those 27% never played the game and I might take your post seriously.

See how THAT works?

What he means is that there are just as many trolls who voted negatively than fans who voted positively, but among the trolls you have people who never even played the game. He never said that all the 27% were trolls who never played. It's normal that a fan of a game voted positively about it, but someone who never played the game and just bashes it is indeed a troll.

That's how it works.

Originally posted by grimgryphon

Originally posted by austriacus

Originally posted by grimgryphon

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

So that 27% who say they've already stopped....

How many are just Haters and have never even played the game or have no intentions. they just want to slant the poll?

Good point...next question...

So that 47% who say they'll play for over a year...

How many are just fanboys that blindly defend the game because they can't stand it when someone doesn't drool over what they enjoy? They just want to slant the poll?

See how that works?

the difference is that those fanboys as you call them are most likely still playing the game so they are relevant, while the haters who havent even touched the game are not

See how that works?

Show me that data that proves those 27% never played the game and I might take your post seriously.

See how THAT works?

No one including me ever said this. The only thing that im saying is that in your post you say that you can give the same value to trolls and fanboys in relation to the poll. The only thing im saying is that while there may be fanboys that voted and there may be trolls, the trolls who never played the game dont actuallly count towards the poll but those fanboys do because they most likely are still playing the game and therefore relevant to the poll.

I see myself playing gw2 here and there - it's b2p so it makes it easy to jump in for 30min if whatever I'll be playing in the future is undergoing server maintenance.

Originally posted by austriacus

Originally posted by grimgryphon

Originally posted by austriacus

Originally posted by grimgryphon

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

So that 27% who say they've already stopped....

How many are just Haters and have never even played the game or have no intentions. they just want to slant the poll?

Good point...next question...

So that 47% who say they'll play for over a year...

How many are just fanboys that blindly defend the game because they can't stand it when someone doesn't drool over what they enjoy? They just want to slant the poll?

See how that works?

the difference is that those fanboys as you call them are most likely still playing the game so they are relevant, while the haters who havent even touched the game are not

See how that works?

Show me that data that proves those 27% never played the game and I might take your post seriously.

See how THAT works?

No one including me ever said this. The only thing that im saying is that in your post you say that you can give the same value to trolls and fanboys in relation to the poll. The only thing im saying is that while there may be fanboys that voted and there may be trolls, the trolls who never played the game dont actuallly count towards the poll but those fanboys do because they most likely are still playing the game and therefore relevant to the poll.

the point is that almost 50% (trolls or not) says a fact. something that happened already. either they stopped or log in rarely.

the other 50% IMAGINE or GUESSING that they will be playing more than a year. thats not a fact. its a prediction.

if you want my prediction, they wont :)

Something is missing in the game, I have never seen guilds crumble so soon in a game.

A lot of people I know came to the game for PVP (not spvp) but it really lacks here too, copy pasted maps, and no progression. I'm afraid no matter what you might think most players, especially pvpers want some reward for their efforts, to feel like they are acheiving something. There is nothing. DAoC, which was pretty basic in a lot of ways survived for years simply due to its pvp progression before most people even knew what an mmo was.

I see a lot of people anti pvp progression - in terms of abilities, or characters becoming stronger with it, but for me without it there is no real reason to bother.

Originally posted by Synjyn

Something is missing in the game, I have never seen guilds crumble so soon in a game.

A lot of people I know came to the game for PVP (not spvp) but it really lacks here too, copy pasted maps, and no progression. I'm afraid no matter what you might think most players, especially pvpers want some reward for their efforts, to feel like they are acheiving something. There is nothing. DAoC, which was pretty basic in a lot of ways survived for years simply due to its pvp progression before most people even knew what an mmo was.

I see a lot of people anti pvp progression - in terms of abilities, or characters becoming stronger with it, but for me without it there is no real reason to bother.

No game after DAoC had yet matched the RvR system, especially with Darkneas falls and best 3 faction system to date.

Can you imagine how awesome GW2 would have been if they completely ripped off DAoC's system?

 But no - nobody has come even close after almost 10 years! WTH developers.....

Originally posted by Fion
I think what is there is superior to what DAoC had at its launch. Things like Darkness Falls and RvR ranks didn't come into the game for upwards of a few years after launch. Since GW2's WvW mechanics are already better than RvR's were, the sieging, the area design, etc, it will only get better as Anet builds onto it.

It's too late, people have already gotten bored. So funny to watch a guild I know that was hyping this game up beyond belief only to crumble in less than a month. Now they're back to complaining. Even AoC lasted longer.

Originally posted by DMKano

Originally posted by Synjyn

Something is missing in the game, I have never seen guilds crumble so soon in a game.

A lot of people I know came to the game for PVP (not spvp) but it really lacks here too, copy pasted maps, and no progression. I'm afraid no matter what you might think most players, especially pvpers want some reward for their efforts, to feel like they are acheiving something. There is nothing. DAoC, which was pretty basic in a lot of ways survived for years simply due to its pvp progression before most people even knew what an mmo was.

I see a lot of people anti pvp progression - in terms of abilities, or characters becoming stronger with it, but for me without it there is no real reason to bother.

No game after DAoC had yet matched the RvR system, especially with Darkneas falls and best 3 faction system to date.

Can you imagine how awesome GW2 would have been if they completely ripped off DAoC's system?

 But no - nobody has come even close after almost 10 years! WTH developers.....

Sorry bud ...this post makes me think you didn't even play DAoC