Trending Games | Landmark | Warhammer 40K: Eternal Crusade | Star Citizen | Guild Wars 2

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,920,294 Users Online:0
Games:760  Posts:6,311,243
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

Guild Wars 2

Guild Wars 2 

General Discussion  » WoW & Mists is boring...unsubbed, going back to GW2...

5 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 » Search
82 posts found
  Creslin321

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 2/27/09
Posts: 5424

10/09/12 10:03:41 AM#41

I know this isn't in the spirit of G4M3 W4RZZZZ!!!  But I am honestly happy that there are now two genuinely excellent themeparks on the market.

Before GW2, WoW was clearly the best...others were fun for a while, but none really held a candle to it.  Now, I feel like people have two equally awesome options, and that is great :).

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  Lydon

Novice Member

Joined: 7/20/06
Posts: 2923

10/09/12 10:05:03 AM#42
Originally posted by Ausare
With GW2 you can leave and come back when you want......to an empty game because everyone is leaving and maybe one day will come back...you know when they are done with the next latest game.

Funny...our guild still has over 100 people on on any given week night and I still queue for WvWvW. Sounds totally empty to me.

  halflife25

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

10/09/12 10:06:24 AM#43
Originally posted by SlickShoes

Posts in game forum that the game sucks, then becomes annoyed at fans of that game for defending it.

Idiot logic.

MoP is a good expansion, much better than cataclysm, GW2 is a good game. 

I play both, sometimes I also play neither, I never feel the need to announce my departure from either game on a public forum.

*chuckles*

 

Yeah don't go in to the kitchen if you can not take the heat.

  GeezerGamer

Elite Member

Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 5213

10/09/12 10:10:02 AM#44
Originally posted by cesmode8
Originally posted by Ausare
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Ausare
With GW2 you can leave and come back when you want......to an empty game because everyone is leaving and maybe one day will come back...you know when they are done with the next latest game.

Really, my server seems pretty stable after the 2 first weeks, lots of people online most of the time and it is not one of the topservers population wise. We were about 80-100 people who took down the dragon in Frostgorge yesterday.

Besides, you can just move to a server with better population for free otherwise. Adding cross realm zones and cross server dungeon /raid finders really isnt any better.

There are plenty of empty Wow servers and there it cost you 20 Euro for each character you want to move.

Have to say Wow servers seem to be doing fine.  When GW2 reach say 5 million subs in the west we will talk.

This is the kind of wow-fanboism that people love!  First, GW2 sold 2 million copies in the first week or two, forcing them to shut down sales of the game.  Their servers could not handle in influx of players.  Ironically, WoW was the last MMO that had to do this at launch.  I think that says something.  And no, I dont think Arenanet purposefully engineered such an infrastructure or purposefully shut down sales to make their game seem like its booming, especially since game sales is the #1 source of income for them right now, with there being no subscription.

Second, GW1 had 5million(or 7 mill, cant remember) players, a large amount of it in Europe and overseas.  Id say thats a fair competitor for the almighty WoW.  Even if the game garners 3 million sales total, that is immensely successful. 

And look for WoW subs to drop after Q1 2013 when the annual pass, and MoP hype dies down.  They'll come back to the sub-less GW2 :)

This post doesn't make sense. Anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players. In fact, I'd go so far as they were wishing for 3 or 4 million. They had 1M pre purch, and another in release sales, Sorry, they didn't shut down sales becuase of their overwhelming success and unpredictable numbers.  In fact, they didn't shut down sales at all. Only their own sales. The reason GW2 sales were shut down ONLY from ANET's own site, was because ANET needed to divert all of it's internal resourses to handle it's problematic launch and all the issues surrounding the 1st week. 

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Lydon

Novice Member

Joined: 7/20/06
Posts: 2923

10/09/12 10:17:18 AM#45
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
This post doesn't make sense. Anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players. In fact, I'd go so far as they were wishing for 3 or 4 million. They had 1M pre purch, and another in release sales, Sorry, they didn't shut down sales becuase of their overwhelming success and unpredictable numbers.  In fact, they didn't shut down sales at all. Only their own sales. The reason GW2 sales were shut down ONLY from ANET's own site, was because ANET needed to divert all of it's internal resourses to handle it's problematic launch and all the issues surrounding the 1st week. 

This post doesn't make any sense either. They were shut down only from ANet's own site because the physical copies had already been shipped around the world. What were they supposed to do? Attempt to force retailers to stop selling them?

If "anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players" then by your own logic ANet would have been prepared for at least that number of people playing the game in the first week of its existence and wouldn't have experienced the few issues that they did...

  halflife25

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

10/09/12 10:21:12 AM#46
Originally posted by Lydon
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
This post doesn't make sense. Anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players. In fact, I'd go so far as they were wishing for 3 or 4 million. They had 1M pre purch, and another in release sales, Sorry, they didn't shut down sales becuase of their overwhelming success and unpredictable numbers.  In fact, they didn't shut down sales at all. Only their own sales. The reason GW2 sales were shut down ONLY from ANET's own site, was because ANET needed to divert all of it's internal resourses to handle it's problematic launch and all the issues surrounding the 1st week. 

This post doesn't make any sense either. They were shut down only from ANet's own site because the physical copies had already been shipped around the world. What were they supposed to do? Attempt to force retailers to stop selling them?

If "anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players" then by your own logic ANet would have been prepared for at least that number of people playing the game in the first week of its existence and wouldn't have experienced the few issues that they did...

 

GW2 official site wasn't the only one selling digital copies. You could buy from other authorized sites too. So i really doubt that when Anet stopped selling GW2 it made a huge stall in sales for those few days.
  cesmode8

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/16/12
Posts: 280

 
OP  10/09/12 10:25:09 AM#47
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Lydon
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
This post doesn't make sense. Anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players. In fact, I'd go so far as they were wishing for 3 or 4 million. They had 1M pre purch, and another in release sales, Sorry, they didn't shut down sales becuase of their overwhelming success and unpredictable numbers.  In fact, they didn't shut down sales at all. Only their own sales. The reason GW2 sales were shut down ONLY from ANET's own site, was because ANET needed to divert all of it's internal resourses to handle it's problematic launch and all the issues surrounding the 1st week. 

This post doesn't make any sense either. They were shut down only from ANet's own site because the physical copies had already been shipped around the world. What were they supposed to do? Attempt to force retailers to stop selling them?

If "anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players" then by your own logic ANet would have been prepared for at least that number of people playing the game in the first week of its existence and wouldn't have experienced the few issues that they did...

 

GW2 official site wasn't the only one selling digital copies. You could buy from other authorized sites too. So i really doubt that when Anet stopped selling GW2 it made a huge stall in sales for those few days.

Point in fact you could not purchase from other sites.  I tried purchasing a digi copy from Amazon when this was going on, just to see what was happening, and I couldnt.  It told me digi copies were temp out of stock.  You had to go to a store to get it.  I know, because a RL friend of mine tried going to guildwars 2 site, amazon, and best buy...couldn't get a copy online.

Only brick and morders had copies, if they had copies in stock.

 

No...the temp shutdown was to keep servers from filling up more than it could handle.  So many zones in overflow(into level 30 and 40) WvW queues out the eyeballs, etc.  True, there were and are lots of bugs, but what game at launch didnt have them?  Every game has it.  Every..game.  But the shutdown was not because of bugs, otherwise they would have shut them down again because of run of the mill problems that GW2 is currently experiencing(like everygame) with bots, exploits, gold selling etc.

 

  Kuinn

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/10/11
Posts: 2103

10/09/12 10:26:48 AM#48
Originally posted by cesmode8

As the title reads, the game hasnt changed one bit aside from a talent overhaul, which they do every expansion(get ready for another one in two years), increased level cap, new race and class(like they havent done this before), and a poor attempt at adding some subpar endgame systems such as scenarios(rift does this better) and pokemon. 

Unsubbed, heading back to GW2.  By far a superior game in most facets.

 

That's why MoP was the first WoW expansion I didnt even buy. I already knew for a fact that there's nothing new to go back to. After 15 minutes of play it's just exactly the same old, and after getting to max level you jump into the same old treadmill. I have lost my faith in Blizzard's ability to add anything actually new stuff in their games, except for the tweaks and apparently some minigames (which is awesome, but not enough to go back to).

 

Dont get me wrong though, I think WoW is an awesome game, one of the best mmorpgs, and certainly was the best back in the day. It's just when something refuses to evolve, it will get boring, and it will stay boring. It's not helping that everything is trivialized in the game and automatized (afterall it's a mmorpg and not some serverless mix-mess-community lobby MOBA).

 

I almost envy people who are still having fun in WoW, or who are new to the game, all the best for them :)

  Adoni

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/13/09
Posts: 273

10/09/12 10:29:12 AM#49
I like playing both.

  halflife25

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

10/09/12 10:29:54 AM#50
Originally posted by cesmode8
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Lydon
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
This post doesn't make sense. Anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players. In fact, I'd go so far as they were wishing for 3 or 4 million. They had 1M pre purch, and another in release sales, Sorry, they didn't shut down sales becuase of their overwhelming success and unpredictable numbers.  In fact, they didn't shut down sales at all. Only their own sales. The reason GW2 sales were shut down ONLY from ANET's own site, was because ANET needed to divert all of it's internal resourses to handle it's problematic launch and all the issues surrounding the 1st week. 

This post doesn't make any sense either. They were shut down only from ANet's own site because the physical copies had already been shipped around the world. What were they supposed to do? Attempt to force retailers to stop selling them?

If "anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players" then by your own logic ANet would have been prepared for at least that number of people playing the game in the first week of its existence and wouldn't have experienced the few issues that they did...

 

GW2 official site wasn't the only one selling digital copies. You could buy from other authorized sites too. So i really doubt that when Anet stopped selling GW2 it made a huge stall in sales for those few days.

Point in fact you could not purchase from other sites.  I tried purchasing a digi copy from Amazon when this was going on, just to see what was happening, and I couldnt.  It told me digi copies were temp out of stock.  You had to go to a store to get it.  I know, because a RL friend of mine tried going to guildwars 2 site, amazon, and best buy...couldn't get a copy online.

Only brick and morders had copies, if they had copies in stock.

 

No...the temp shutdown was to keep servers from filling up more than it could handle.  So many zones in overflow(into level 30 and 40) WvW queues out the eyeballs, etc.  True, there were and are lots of bugs, but what game at launch didnt have them?  Every game has it.  Every..game.  But the shutdown was not because of bugs, otherwise they would have shut them down again because of run of the mill problems that GW2 is currently experiencing(like everygame) with bots, exploits, gold selling etc.

 

And yet i was able to buy my digital copy from DLGAMER during those days as there was no physical copy avilable close to where i live in morocco.

  Gravarg

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 8/24/06
Posts: 3216

10/09/12 10:31:37 AM#51
I'm totally giving up on gamehopping.  Rift and WoW forever now I guess lol.  Been playing both of these since they launched, and I've gone to several games during that time.  During that time, every game ends up the same.  I get to cap (and I don't even rush it!) then I'm like, "Now what?"  In Rift and WoW,  there is always something to do.  If there isn't something to do, there's always something on the horizon at least.  I usually finish the current content (got all my gear), and there's about a month or two before the next content patch or expansion.  With Rift, I almost never have to wait for content though.  WoW, it's usually a month or two.  During that time, there's always friends to chat and hang out with.  Go do some classic raids that don't really mean anything anymore, except for nostalgia.  I'll play free trials, if the game has them, but I don't see myself leaving either of these games, except for Elder Scrolls or Neverwinter, but I won't be doing that unless I get to play it first hand first (hmm I think that's right lol).  It's Rift and WoW for me.
  cesmode8

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/16/12
Posts: 280

 
OP  10/09/12 10:33:53 AM#52
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by cesmode8

As the title reads, the game hasnt changed one bit aside from a talent overhaul, which they do every expansion(get ready for another one in two years), increased level cap, new race and class(like they havent done this before), and a poor attempt at adding some subpar endgame systems such as scenarios(rift does this better) and pokemon. 

Unsubbed, heading back to GW2.  By far a superior game in most facets.

 

That's why MoP was the first WoW expansion I didnt even buy. I already knew for a fact that there's nothing new to go back to. After 15 minutes of play it's just exactly the same old, and after getting to max level you jump into the same old treadmill. I have lost my faith in Blizzard's ability to add anything actually new stuff in their games, except for the tweaks and apparently some minigames (which is awesome, but not enough to go back to).

 

Dont get me wrong though, I think WoW is an awesome game, one of the best mmorpgs, and certainly was the best back in the day. It's just when something refuses to evolve, it will get boring, and it will stay boring. It's not helping that everything is trivialized in the game and automatized (afterall it's a mmorpg and not some serverless mix-mess-community lobby MOBA).

 

I almost envy people who are still having fun in WoW, or who are new to the game, all the best for them :)

To be honest, I sort of agree with every word you said, down to the last sentence.  I do envy them.  But, in my opinion, I see the game and the development of it for what it truely is:  Other MMOs come and go, but excel in one or two things.  Blizzard tries to duplicate this, if their outdated technology allows them to.  Sometimes they succeed, most of the time they fail.  Either way, they are always a few years behind the curve in terms of the hopping on the bandwagon of what the MMO community wants(if they ever listen at all...) and fail to be innovative.  In my opinion, their development minds say "We know better than you, and we'll see we listen to your feedback, but we really think XYZ".  Just read the forums.  People post many things about this and that, what works and doesnt.  They say its working as intended, they feel this way and that.  Take a dev like Trion.  They listen and pump out awsome endgame features, systems, and content.  If blizzard adopted that methodology, Id return in a second.  But they wont.  They are holier than though, thus their game remains static and in a glimmer of its former glory.  I look to greener pastures.  Right now its GW2.  With many hours of play time in already, and many to come, it is the game for me.  Once Im done with it, I am probably done with all MMOs until MAYBE titan.  Thats a big maybe.

 

  Zorgo

Elite Member

Joined: 12/05/05
Posts: 2266

Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

10/09/12 10:35:39 AM#53
Originally posted by cesmode8

As the title reads, the game hasnt changed one bit aside from a talent overhaul, which they do every expansion(get ready for another one in two years), increased level cap, new race and class(like they havent done this before), and a poor attempt at adding some subpar endgame systems such as scenarios(rift does this better) and pokemon. 

Unsubbed, heading back to GW2.  By far a superior game in most facets.

 

 

Were you actively playing WoW when GW2 was released?

Did you have negative feelings about WoW prior to this expansion?

How much time have you put into WoW prior to this expansion?

Did you already have a low opinion of Blizzard's expansion formula?

My contention is:

If, prior to Pandaria, you already were burnt out on WoW, or tired of its mechanics or graphics....in essence, if prior to Pandaria you already had a low opinion of the game - why would you think Pandaria might change all that? It is still WoW, a game which you new prior whether you liked or disliked. This wasn't 'remaking' the game for those who didn't like it, it was 'expanding' the game for people who DO like it.

I tend to discount "Reviews" of expansions of a game you already dislike. They seem to be pre-loaded with a negative opinion.

I don't believe I've ever seen someone who hated a game, the game 'expands' that hated game, and all of a sudden the game is great. If you take a turd and increase its size by 20%, it doesn't become chocolate cake. But it seems like that's what some people 'returning' to WoW for this expansion think.

For those that like WoW - this is taking a piece of chocolate cake and making it 20% bigger.

And for those that like WoW, but are leary of change and obsessively attached to virtual achievements, some of them, took a bite of chocolate cake and tasted a turd.

In my opinion, we learn the most about an expansion from those who share our own opinion, for they will highlight the aspects we have in common. You can also learn a lot from someone who liked the game but hates the changes, for they can point out clearer than others what exactly is different.

But we learn virtually notihing from someone who already hated a game and then write a review of an expansion as if they are surprised that they still hate the game or as if they expected a different game from what they played before.

Expansion 'expand' an existing game. They do not change it into a different one.

  elocke

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 6/15/04
Posts: 4114

10/09/12 10:38:52 AM#54
Originally posted by cinos

Yay for game hopping! :D

Play what you like, the days of sticking to one game only are long past.

I agree with this.  Let's stop the "this game is better than this game" hyperbole arguments and just enjoy whatever game you want at any given time.  Plenty out there to do that with and plenty more in the pipeline.  I know I'm going to change my viewpoint as I am taking a break from GW2 and am enjoying WoW:MoP.  Next week, I'll hop back into Lotro for the Rohan expansion and enjoy that and eventually hop back to GW2 to enjoy the Holiday patch and so on and so forth with a handful of other MMOs. 

If anything, the only issue I have with trying to hop is paying a sub fee for a few of the games just to enjoy a week or 2 of new content.  I much prefer Lotro's hybrid system or GW2s buy to play.   Hopefully TSW goes hybrid soon.

http://www.twitch.tv/elockethemmoaddict

https://twitter.com/MMOAddicted

  halflife25

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

10/09/12 10:39:46 AM#55
Originally posted by cesmode8
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by cesmode8

As the title reads, the game hasnt changed one bit aside from a talent overhaul, which they do every expansion(get ready for another one in two years), increased level cap, new race and class(like they havent done this before), and a poor attempt at adding some subpar endgame systems such as scenarios(rift does this better) and pokemon. 

Unsubbed, heading back to GW2.  By far a superior game in most facets.

 

That's why MoP was the first WoW expansion I didnt even buy. I already knew for a fact that there's nothing new to go back to. After 15 minutes of play it's just exactly the same old, and after getting to max level you jump into the same old treadmill. I have lost my faith in Blizzard's ability to add anything actually new stuff in their games, except for the tweaks and apparently some minigames (which is awesome, but not enough to go back to).

 

Dont get me wrong though, I think WoW is an awesome game, one of the best mmorpgs, and certainly was the best back in the day. It's just when something refuses to evolve, it will get boring, and it will stay boring. It's not helping that everything is trivialized in the game and automatized (afterall it's a mmorpg and not some serverless mix-mess-community lobby MOBA).

 

I almost envy people who are still having fun in WoW, or who are new to the game, all the best for them :)

To be honest, I sort of agree with every word you said, down to the last sentence.  I do envy them.  But, in my opinion, I see the game and the development of it for what it truely is:  Other MMOs come and go, but excel in one or two things.  Blizzard tries to duplicate this, if their outdated technology allows them to.  Sometimes they succeed, most of the time they fail.  Either way, they are always a few years behind the curve in terms of the hopping on the bandwagon of what the MMO community wants(if they ever listen at all...) and fail to be innovative.  In my opinion, their development minds say "We know better than you, and we'll see we listen to your feedback, but we really think XYZ".  Just read the forums.  People post many things about this and that, what works and doesnt.  They say its working as intended, they feel this way and that.  Take a dev like Trion.  They listen and pump out awsome endgame features, systems, and content.  If blizzard adopted that methodology, Id return in a second.  But they wont.  They are holier than though, thus their game remains static and in a glimmer of its former glory.  I look to greener pastures.  Right now its GW2.  With many hours of play time in already, and many to come, it is the game for me.  Once Im done with it, I am probably done with all MMOs until MAYBE titan.  Thats a big maybe.

 

Blizzard has all the right to be 'holier than thou'. They have 9+ million players and now 10+ after MOP. For so many years it stayed at 11 and 12 million mark.

So yes a company that is capable of keeping so many people playing for such a long time does have all the right to tell you that 'they know better'. It might hurt your ego but they are right. WOW hasbeen  wrecking every other MMO for years holding number one spot. I don't see the reason why they should bend to every demand of players. And not that they don't listen. A lot of changes have been amde to WOW in accordance with what majority wanted.

WOW is not some failed MMO where you can claim that Blizzard doesn't know what it is doing.

  cesmode8

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/16/12
Posts: 280

 
OP  10/09/12 10:42:00 AM#56
Originally posted by elocke
Originally posted by cinos

Yay for game hopping! :D

Play what you like, the days of sticking to one game only are long past.

I agree with this.  Let's stop the "this game is better than this game" hyperbole arguments and just enjoy whatever game you want at any given time.  Plenty out there to do that with and plenty more in the pipeline.  I know I'm going to change my viewpoint as I am taking a break from GW2 and am enjoying WoW:MoP.  Next week, I'll hop back into Lotro for the Rohan expansion and enjoy that and eventually hop back to GW2 to enjoy the Holiday patch and so on and so forth with a handful of other MMOs. 

If anything, the only issue I have with trying to hop is paying a sub fee for a few of the games just to enjoy a week or 2 of new content.  I much prefer Lotro's hybrid system or GW2s buy to play.   Hopefully TSW goes hybrid soon.

Its Vigo the carpathian again!

 

  fiftyplusgeek

Elite Member

Joined: 8/17/12
Posts: 656

10/09/12 10:44:22 AM#57

Oh look, another fresh, new topic posted on MMORPG.com

I am no longer responsible for anything my phone decides is correct in the way of word choices and punctuation.

  GeezerGamer

Elite Member

Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 5213

10/09/12 10:47:39 AM#58
Originally posted by cesmode8
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Lydon
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
This post doesn't make sense. Anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players. In fact, I'd go so far as they were wishing for 3 or 4 million. They had 1M pre purch, and another in release sales, Sorry, they didn't shut down sales becuase of their overwhelming success and unpredictable numbers.  In fact, they didn't shut down sales at all. Only their own sales. The reason GW2 sales were shut down ONLY from ANET's own site, was because ANET needed to divert all of it's internal resourses to handle it's problematic launch and all the issues surrounding the 1st week. 

This post doesn't make any sense either. They were shut down only from ANet's own site because the physical copies had already been shipped around the world. What were they supposed to do? Attempt to force retailers to stop selling them?

If "anyone could reasonably assume GW2 was prepared for 2M players" then by your own logic ANet would have been prepared for at least that number of people playing the game in the first week of its existence and wouldn't have experienced the few issues that they did...

 

GW2 official site wasn't the only one selling digital copies. You could buy from other authorized sites too. So i really doubt that when Anet stopped selling GW2 it made a huge stall in sales for those few days.

Point in fact you could not purchase from other sites.  I tried purchasing a digi copy from Amazon when this was going on, just to see what was happening, and I couldnt.  It told me digi copies were temp out of stock.  You had to go to a store to get it.  I know, because a RL friend of mine tried going to guildwars 2 site, amazon, and best buy...couldn't get a copy online.

Only brick and morders had copies, if they had copies in stock.

 

No...the temp shutdown was to keep servers from filling up more than it could handle.  So many zones in overflow(into level 30 and 40) WvW queues out the eyeballs, etc.  True, there were and are lots of bugs, but what game at launch didnt have them?  Every game has it.  Every..game.  But the shutdown was not because of bugs, otherwise they would have shut them down again because of run of the mill problems that GW2 is currently experiencing(like everygame) with bots, exploits, gold selling etc.

 

Not true. I Pre Purhcased. I had a friend who bought post release, he couldn't get it direct since they stopped selling so he went to Amazon and bought it there. Amazon didn't stop selling GW2.

I am certain, I could get a copy of his digital reciept from Amazon if I asked him for it. But I won't because I know he was away on business during the initial weekend and bought when he got back. Since we were in the game, I kinda believe him. 

Also, selling out of digital copies, (not sure how that is possible) is a different story than shutting off sales.

Aside from that, can you show soem evidence of why you say ANET discontinued it's sales?

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  timtrack

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 10/03/06
Posts: 415

10/09/12 10:49:18 AM#59
Angry Birds Space is boring... uninstalled, going back to Fruit Ninja...
  Nadia

Tipster

Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 11789

10/09/12 10:55:42 AM#60
Originally posted by halflife25 

Blizzard has all the right to be 'holier than thou'. They have 9+ million players and now 10+ after MOP. For so many years it stayed at 11 and 12 million mark.

So yes a company that is capable of keeping so many people playing for such a long time does have all the right to tell you that 'they know better'. It might hurt your ego but they are right. WOW hasbeen  wrecking every other MMO for years holding number one spot. I don't see the reason why they should bend to every demand of players. And not that they don't listen. A lot of changes have been amde to WOW in accordance with what majority wanted.

WOW is not some failed MMO where you can claim that Blizzard doesn't know what it is doing.

I would never use that kind of reasoning

 

Everquest was the #1 Westerm mmo for 5 years -  from 1999 thru 2004

more subs does not mean "they know better"

 

many retail mmos released during that 5 year timespan but none had the success of EQ

until Blizzard grabbed a bigger audience

 

 

Anarchy Online

Asherons Call

City of Heroes

Dark Age of Camelot 

Earth & Beyond

Eve Online

Final Fantasy XI

Horizons (now called Isitaria)

Lineage II

Shadowbane

Star Wars Galaxies

5 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 » Search