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  strangepowers

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10/06/12 6:00:55 PM#21


Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by strangepower  

Originally posted by Aerowyn you are making money off of someone else's product illegally.. don't see it any differn't than people who rip movies or games and sell pirated copies and that's a felony... 
  With that sort of rationale you would see it fit to charge the gold buyers with a felony too for facilitation of a Black Market, like busting the john and the prostitute as well? Sounds like a well thought out idea...
yes same as it's illegal to buy pirated copies of video games.. usually the punishment is worse for the supplier than the buyer as with most things

Off topic, but telling to say the least, whats your stance on Amendment 64?

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  strangepowers

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10/06/12 6:03:08 PM#22


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by fenistil Will this mean that selling gold / items / lockboxes by game developers will also be forbidden?  
would be nice...but technically it's their product, they are protecte by license to do as they please.

Why would it be nice... because you say so?

You object but give no reason? Perhaps you have a better idea of how a developer should handle their product?

Did you develop anything lately? I mean, what is your experience on this other than personal subjective experience?

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  bcbully

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10/06/12 6:04:27 PM#23
Originally posted by strangepower

 


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by fenistil Will this mean that selling gold / items / lockboxes by game developers will also be forbidden?  
would be nice...but technically it's their product, they are protecte by license to do as they please.

 

Why would it be nice... because you say so?

You object but give no reason? Perhaps you have a better idea of how a developer should handle their product?

Did you develop anything lately? I mean, what is your experience on this other than personal subjective experience?

People fighting for the right for mmo develpoers to sell gold. 

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Robokapp

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10/06/12 6:04:45 PM#24
Originally posted by strangepower

 


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by fenistil Will this mean that selling gold / items / lockboxes by game developers will also be forbidden?  
would be nice...but technically it's their product, they are protecte by license to do as they please.

 

Why would it be nice... because you say so?

Well, yes. because by 'it would be nice' i'm implying I'd like it.

 

not that it's right.

 

I said it would be nice, not appropriate. :D.

 

the rest of my post adresses the non-personal non-subjective opinion I have.

  DOGMA1138

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10/06/12 6:05:27 PM#25
Originally posted by Aerowyn
you are making money off of someone else's product illegally.. don't see it any differn't than people who rip movies or games and sell pirated copies and that's a felony... 

The point is you do not make it illegaly, EULA has no legal standing...

 

  strangepowers

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10/06/12 6:05:50 PM#26


Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by strangepower  

Originally posted by Aerowyn you are making money off of someone else's product illegally.. don't see it any differn't than people who rip movies or games and sell pirated copies and that's a felony... 
  With that sort of rationale you would see it fit to charge the gold buyers with a felony too for facilitation of a Black Market, like busting the john and the prostitute as well? Sounds like a well thought out idea...
yes same as it's illegal to buy pirated copies of video games.. usually the punishment is worse for the supplier than the buyer as with most things
 

I understand what you're saying and I agree with you.  The same people that think gold farming and selling gold is okay are probably the people that think ripping CDs or movies and selling them is okay.  Intellectual copyright laws mean nothing to these people, but they do to me and I agree with what you've said.



How do you draw the parallel between copyright infringement and gold selling?


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  Aerowyn

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10/06/12 6:06:33 PM#27
Originally posted by strangepower

 


Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by strangepower  

Originally posted by Aerowyn you are making money off of someone else's product illegally.. don't see it any differn't than people who rip movies or games and sell pirated copies and that's a felony... 
  With that sort of rationale you would see it fit to charge the gold buyers with a felony too for facilitation of a Black Market, like busting the john and the prostitute as well? Sounds like a well thought out idea...
yes same as it's illegal to buy pirated copies of video games.. usually the punishment is worse for the supplier than the buyer as with most things

 

 

Off topic, but telling to say the least, whats your stance on Amendment 64?

been for legalization of marijuana for years.. honestly think alcohol is much worse overall

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  Robokapp

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10/06/12 6:08:20 PM#28

I think trade of in-game currencies should also be protected by the copyright.

 

if I buy Solidworks and start reverse-engineering it (who am i kidding, I don' know how to do that) ... what woul i break? copyright.

 

if I start selling gold what do I break? EULA. Which has no legal bearing, but the copyright does. currency and all game-related in-game pixels should be protected by the copyright. They are part of the copyrighted product afterall.

  VengeSunsoar

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10/06/12 6:09:04 PM#29
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by Aerowyn
you are making money off of someone else's product illegally.. don't see it any differn't than people who rip movies or games and sell pirated copies and that's a felony... 

The thing is, it's not a question of 'if' gold selling is illegal. It is illegal. The issue comes down to how to prosecute it. When dealing w/ gold sellers (and especially ones that hack), you are nearly always dealing w/ an internation incident. Issues with Intellectual Property, especially digital IP, are typically handled very poorly internationally.

Different countries have different laws around these issues, and they also prioritize them much differently. Western companies tend to persue these issues much more aggressively, because a lot of our money in the west comes from our inovations. Eastern companies are typically not as aggressive about it.

Anet & Blizzard aren't even the only major companies to have to deal w/ issues like blatant EULA breaks. Companies like Google & Apple have also had their share of trouble in dealing w/ IP issues overseas as well. Gold selling has always been illegal, but it's up to the countries who are harboring these criminals to each handle them on their own. It's also a question of how much pressure MMO companies can put on these countries to prosecute & crack down on gold sellers. For some countries it's more effective, but for some of the major offenders (like China) it just doesn't work.

No it isn't illegal, and not it isn't the same as pirating software. 

There is a direct relationship between pirated software and the money a developer would have obtained from selling that software.  They own the software, they were the only ones allowed to sell it, anyone else doing so stealing the money they would have earned.  There is a law against pirating software.

None of this is happening is gold selling, unless the game company themselves sell goldl  If the devs don't sell gold, then whether the gold seller is in the game or not, the devs would have made the same amount of money, actually possibly less because the seller themselves had to buy a copy of the game.  There is no software being pirated, there is no loss of money to the developer. 

There is no law against gold selling.  There is a law against pirated software.

And no it shouldn't be illegal.  The only thing that should be illegal are illegal actions being done to obtain the gold (sweatshops, hacks...).  And that is allready illegal. 

edit - it is actually illegal in China I believe

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  VengeSunsoar

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10/06/12 6:10:33 PM#30
Originally posted by strangepower

 


Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by strangepower  

Originally posted by Aerowyn you are making money off of someone else's product illegally.. don't see it any differn't than people who rip movies or games and sell pirated copies and that's a felony... 
  With that sort of rationale you would see it fit to charge the gold buyers with a felony too for facilitation of a Black Market, like busting the john and the prostitute as well? Sounds like a well thought out idea...
yes same as it's illegal to buy pirated copies of video games.. usually the punishment is worse for the supplier than the buyer as with most things
 

 

I understand what you're saying and I agree with you.  The same people that think gold farming and selling gold is okay are probably the people that think ripping CDs or movies and selling them is okay.  Intellectual copyright laws mean nothing to these people, but they do to me and I agree with what you've said.

 


 


How do you draw the parallel between copyright infringement and gold selling?

 

The line is drawn when the selling of gold prevents or causes the developer of the software to lose money or prevents them obtaining the money.  That won't happen until the developer themselves start selling gold. 

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Betakodo

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10/06/12 6:10:55 PM#31

It's illegal in game. Give all parties the in-game death penalty. Aka, delete their characters. The buyers and the RMT. Ok, I guess buyers being deleted may be harsh, but they cheated in a MMO. It should be at least a month ban.

You would think this is common sense for game companies, but most skimp out on their GMs, they don't care, GM's aren't proactive. Really, only F2P games barely have an excuse because they can keep making free accounts, but really if the GMs kept it up (If there were any) then it wouldn't happen.

I think it's also party of the duty of a GM to be motivated enough to ban the bots instead of them playing Mr popular with the suckups in game (Which I sometimes see). Maybe this means actually screening GM applicants and weeding out people who want the job because they can play a video game for work and letting people in who actually care about the online game communities. Kind of like Silver Knight/Crimson knights in .hack, just without the huge egos and the power trips.

These RMT organizations have gotten big and rich, thanks to companies like NCSoft, who don't give a damn if bots are playing or not. Along with companies that go through the motions and ban bots when there's a forum uproar, but then do nothing after people quiet down and the bots return.

  Beatnik59

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10/06/12 6:11:17 PM#32

No, I don't think gold selling should be a crime.

I think it should be taxed or have some sort of currency transaction fee associated with it.  Because if you don't, you could--theoretically--sell bazookas and RPGs to terrorists for WoW gold, and not be subject to prosecution as an arms trafficker.

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  Aerowyn

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10/06/12 6:11:29 PM#33
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
 

No it isn't illegal, and not it isn't the same as pirating software. 

There is a direct relationship between pirated software and the money a developer would have obtained from selling that software.  They own the software, they were the only ones allowed to sell it, anyone else doing so stealing the money they would have earned.  There is a law against pirating software.

None of this is happening is gold selling, unless the game company themselves sell goldl  If the devs don't sell gold, then whether the gold seller is in the game or not, the devs would have made the same amount of money, actually possibly less because the seller themselves had to buy a copy of the game.  There is no software being pirated, there is no loss of money to the developer. 

There is no law against gold selling.  There is a law against pirated software.

And no it shouldn't be illegal.  The only thing that should be illegal are illegal actions being done to obtain the gold (sweatshops, hacks...).  And that is allready illegal. 

I see your point there.. but now with GW2 they technically are selling gold in a way so technically the gold sellers are potentially taking money from them and as a non sub based game it's one of their main sources of revenue.

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  strangepowers

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10/06/12 6:11:46 PM#34


Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by strangepower  

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by strangepower  

Originally posted by Aerowyn you are making money off of someone else's product illegally.. don't see it any differn't than people who rip movies or games and sell pirated copies and that's a felony... 
  With that sort of rationale you would see it fit to charge the gold buyers with a felony too for facilitation of a Black Market, like busting the john and the prostitute as well? Sounds like a well thought out idea...
yes same as it's illegal to buy pirated copies of video games.. usually the punishment is worse for the supplier than the buyer as with most things
    Off topic, but telling to say the least, whats your stance on Amendment 64?
been for legalization of marijuana for years.. honestly think alcohol is much worse overall

I think it's unfortunate that the common cry is for legalization as opposed to decriminalization; small steps.

The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  Betaguy

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10/06/12 6:11:49 PM#35
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by Aerowyn
you are making money off of someone else's product illegally.. don't see it any differn't than people who rip movies or games and sell pirated copies and that's a felony... 

The thing is, it's not a question of 'if' gold selling is illegal. It is illegal. The issue comes down to how to prosecute it. When dealing w/ gold sellers (and especially ones that hack), you are nearly always dealing w/ an internation incident. Issues with Intellectual Property, especially digital IP, are typically handled very poorly internationally.

Different countries have different laws around these issues, and they also prioritize them much differently. Western companies tend to persue these issues much more aggressively, because a lot of our money in the west comes from our inovations. Eastern companies are typically not as aggressive about it.

Anet & Blizzard aren't even the only major companies to have to deal w/ issues like blatant EULA breaks. Companies like Google & Apple have also had their share of trouble in dealing w/ IP issues overseas as well. Gold selling has always been illegal, but it's up to the countries who are harboring these criminals to each handle them on their own. It's also a question of how much pressure MMO companies can put on these countries to prosecute & crack down on gold sellers. For some countries it's more effective, but for some of the major offenders (like China) it just doesn't work.

It is not illegal to sell currency in video games.  That is a croc...

  azmundai

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10/06/12 6:12:27 PM#36

illegal is a pretty stupid word. fraud is illegal, yet our entire country as well as many others are in complete turmoil because of endless amounts of fraud, with endless amounts of proof of the fraud and very little convictions or consequences.

then you have the war on drugs. making things illegal often makes them more profitable.

in a perfect world, yes .. gold sellers (not farmers, the title of your post just flat out sucks. I farm gold, but don't sell it) .. should be in prison. never going to happen tho.

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  AvatarBlade

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10/06/12 6:12:37 PM#37
Originally posted by DOGMA1138
Originally posted by Aerowyn
you are making money off of someone else's product illegally.. don't see it any differn't than people who rip movies or games and sell pirated copies and that's a felony... 

The point is you do not make it illegaly, EULA has no legal standing...

 

True. On the other hand the account they are using is probably stolen. I don't know what, if any law that falls under. If they bought the game, but are not playing withing the rules, the only thing that can be done is ban them, that's what you do to "cheaters".

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10/06/12 6:13:49 PM#38
Gold Sellers = That guy in arcades who sell tickets that you exchange for prizes..

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  VengeSunsoar

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10/06/12 6:14:48 PM#39
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
 

No it isn't illegal, and not it isn't the same as pirating software. 

There is a direct relationship between pirated software and the money a developer would have obtained from selling that software.  They own the software, they were the only ones allowed to sell it, anyone else doing so stealing the money they would have earned.  There is a law against pirating software.

None of this is happening is gold selling, unless the game company themselves sell goldl  If the devs don't sell gold, then whether the gold seller is in the game or not, the devs would have made the same amount of money, actually possibly less because the seller themselves had to buy a copy of the game.  There is no software being pirated, there is no loss of money to the developer. 

There is no law against gold selling.  There is a law against pirated software.

And no it shouldn't be illegal.  The only thing that should be illegal are illegal actions being done to obtain the gold (sweatshops, hacks...).  And that is allready illegal. 

I see your point there.. but now with GW2 they technically are selling gold in a way so technically the gold sellers are potentially taking money from them and as a non sub based game it's one of their main sources of revenue.

I haven't played GW2 yet, but if the developers of the code/game are selling gold, then that IMO lowly opinion anyway that actually could be considered illegal for the above reasons. 

It would be interesting to see if that would hold up in a challenge, but I think they have a better shot at winning than in a game where they weren't selling gold.

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  Aerowyn

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10/06/12 6:16:58 PM#40
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
 

No it isn't illegal, and not it isn't the same as pirating software. 

There is a direct relationship between pirated software and the money a developer would have obtained from selling that software.  They own the software, they were the only ones allowed to sell it, anyone else doing so stealing the money they would have earned.  There is a law against pirating software.

None of this is happening is gold selling, unless the game company themselves sell goldl  If the devs don't sell gold, then whether the gold seller is in the game or not, the devs would have made the same amount of money, actually possibly less because the seller themselves had to buy a copy of the game.  There is no software being pirated, there is no loss of money to the developer. 

There is no law against gold selling.  There is a law against pirated software.

And no it shouldn't be illegal.  The only thing that should be illegal are illegal actions being done to obtain the gold (sweatshops, hacks...).  And that is allready illegal. 

I see your point there.. but now with GW2 they technically are selling gold in a way so technically the gold sellers are potentially taking money from them and as a non sub based game it's one of their main sources of revenue.

I haven't played GW2 yet, but if the developers of the code/game are selling gold, then that IMO lowly opinion anyway that actually could be considered illegal for the above reasons. 

you buy gems in GW2.. gems can be converted to gold and ingame gold can be converted to gems.. so it's not technically gold they sell but still a way to buy gold for money.. so yea I'd agree it should be considered illegal in GW2's case

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