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  Purutzil

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 2796

The Critical Hit Pretzel!

10/06/12 5:23:37 PM#41

The best is when I get warned for trolling when I'm making a sarcastic point back, most often to a troll themselves. Always fun when that happens.  There are areas were moderators do need to step in redundant threads ARE a good reason to so long as they aren't deleting every single thread that looks like it shares even a tiny bit of relation to another. They do need to cut back but its not saying that things should go crazy either.

 

If I feel like ranting purely opinion bsed (which i do have the urge to break free of sense for that reason) its nice to know I wont' have my post edited for it. After all, its not like many of the articles and reviews on this site aren't already fool of bias, paticularly when funding for the site is in place *cough* SWTOR *Cough*

  SaintPhilip

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Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

10/06/12 5:26:37 PM#42
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by SaintPhilip

For what its worth- I feel the moderation is VERY inconsistant.

I have noticed that speaking against any FOTM game (especially high budget AAA types) they can be quite trigger happy towards "negativity".

-Also "Trolling" is such a vague term and so open to interpritation that it is essentially as meaningless as "freedom" and "liberty" and absent of definition it means far different things to different people (and mods)-

I feel that unless there is a blatant threat to someone or real harassment then it shoyuld be left alone- But I am a libertarian...Who loves "freedom" and "liberty" =P

 

i agree trolling is a very vague term as it could mean differn't things to differn't people but the forum mods did set a definition for what they consider trolling on these forums.. now it's really up to them what's considered excessive of course

Trolling

  • Posting excessive negative comments or baiting others to respond in a negative manner is considered trolling on the MMORPG.com forums.
    For example: If there is one game that you did not enjoy, voicing your opinion is encouraged. Posting this opinion in every thread concerning that game to the point that it disrupts all other conversation is not tolerated.

Again , that "definition" is lacking and very open ended. Also very inconsistent across the board.

i.e. I faced a 3 day ban and mod edit for someone who said "cry much" (not concerning something I posted, but regarding someone else.) I said "Fanboy much?"- I was censored and got 3 days for "trolling"- His post is still sitting in the GW2 Forum with my [MOD EDIT} and he recieved no ban (since he continued posting)

This is just one of a plethora of examples...

EDIT/ADD- And look, I am not above "trolling" either. I sometimes enjoy a good troll- Thing is, the above wasnt "trolling" - nor should it IMHO be censored. Nor should the dude who said "cry  much"- We are not 6 years old... Sticks and Stones and all that...

  niceguy3978

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 1975

10/06/12 5:30:16 PM#43
Originally posted by SneakyRussian
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by SneakyRussian
Originally posted by Acidon
Originally posted by Impulse47
I've been here a long time now. Every year the mods get a slightly longer stick up their asses. Very saddening as this board in general used to be awesome.

Having been warned recently (for good reason, I think), I certainly think about what I write more than I used to.  It certainly put a damper on how much I enjoy this site, but they gotta do what they gotta do.  

I don't feel that I can truly express my opinion any longer though.

It does in fact feel like the moderators here no longer want opinions to be freely expressed anymore. I've seen friends of mine banned in the past month for things that you'd think are impossible grounds for a ban. However, they go on nevertheless.

 

Also, emailing MikeB about a ban is impossible. He ignores emails, or will give you a canned response of "You were banned for good reason, deal with it". Even writing this giving my input might land me a temp-ban or a warning for speaking the truth. It's a very sad time when MMORPG used to be a good site to discuss the truth about MMO gaming in general.

 

However, nowadays if it isn't super positive & avoiding the direct subject at hand (ie: calling a game for what you believe it is) you're labeled a troll by the staff here and sent on your way. At times I feel like they don't want MMORPG to succeed as a site anymore. I wonder why :/

Just for the record, I've emailed MikeB on numerous occasions, and while he may have ignored one or two, more often than not he responds.  Even better, I'd say he's overturned moderation actions that I've disagreed with (Not only on myself) about 50% of the time.  Most other times his reasoning behind the bans/locked threads make sense to me.

So if he's telling you that you were banned for good reason, you probably were in my book.

 

Doubtful considering his past responses & responses to people on this forum. I also feel as though the staff troll players on purpose with some of their articles, but that is another story.

Over 6 years and 1300 posts, and I have been "moderated" once.  I disagreed with it, emailed MikeB and the warning was removed.  I doubt many people have a 100% overturn rate, but to say he ignores all of them is simply untrue.

  Icewhite

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Joined: 7/11/11
Posts: 6495

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

10/06/12 5:31:14 PM#44

I think there's a pretty good-sized portion of the weekend audience who aren't being very honest (with themselves) about what they come to this forum for.

Enjoyable Forum PvP? Yeah, you're gonna meet a mod from time to time.  If the reaction bothers you, you can always avoid the action.

"But mom it's not FAIR!  You didn't spank Billy for it!"--just how old are we?

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  User Deleted
10/06/12 5:32:27 PM#45
Originally posted by niceguy3978
 

Over 6 years and 1300 posts, and I have been "moderated" once.  I disagreed with it, emailed MikeB and the warning was removed.  I doubt many people have a 100% overturn rate, but to say he ignores all of them is simply untrue.

 

Yeah, but that's because you are a Niceguy. What about allthe Psycho's out there...

 

  Slapshot1188

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Joined: 5/06/07
Posts: 4081

10/06/12 5:33:15 PM#46

I really wish that for every new game they would make 2 forums.  one would be the current General Forum, and the other would be a less moderated version.  Sure, restrict things like advertising and links to gold selling/ hacking sites but other than that stay out of the conflict.

 

Maybe you would have to actively request blanket access to those forums by certifying you were 18 or something...

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  SaintPhilip

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Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

10/06/12 5:34:20 PM#47
Originally posted by Slapshot1188

I really wish that for every new game they would make 2 forums.  one would be the current General Forum, and the other would be a less moderated version.  Sure, restrict things like advertising and links to gold selling/ hacking sites but other than that stay out of the conflict.

 

Maybe you would have to actively request blanket access to those forums by certifying you were 18 or something...

..... Wow.

I like it.

  Aerowyn

Novice Member

Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

10/06/12 5:36:39 PM#48
Originally posted by Slapshot1188

I really wish that for every new game they would make 2 forums.  one would be the current General Forum, and the other would be a less moderated version.  Sure, restrict things like advertising and links to gold selling/ hacking sites but other than that stay out of the conflict.

 

Maybe you would have to actively request blanket access to those forums by certifying you were 18 or something...

remeber Rift had that since I used to frequent their official forums.. Basically all the trolling took place in the general section or the PVP section with very little moderation and most the the class specific forums were more dedicated to talk about builds and such

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  niceguy3978

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 1975

10/06/12 5:37:09 PM#49
Originally posted by Psychow
Originally posted by niceguy3978
 

Over 6 years and 1300 posts, and I have been "moderated" once.  I disagreed with it, emailed MikeB and the warning was removed.  I doubt many people have a 100% overturn rate, but to say he ignores all of them is simply untrue.

 

Yeah, but that's because you are a Niceguy. What about allthe Psycho's out there...

 

Yeah, my wife has a different opinion :).

  Betaguy

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Joined: 12/31/04
Posts: 2523

Some folks are like Slinkies, totally useless but great fun to watch when pushed down stairs

10/06/12 5:45:54 PM#50
Originally posted by Impulse47
I've been here a long time now. Every year the mods get a slightly longer stick up their asses. Very saddening as this board in general used to be awesome.

I agree with this statement... I have been here a long time as well and watched it change over time.  I have been banned probably more than anyone else here, some I deserved some were just silly bans that I did not deserve.

  SaintPhilip

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

10/06/12 5:47:51 PM#51
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by Impulse47
I've been here a long time now. Every year the mods get a slightly longer stick up their asses. Very saddening as this board in general used to be awesome.

I agree with this statement... I have been here a long time as well and watched it change over time.  I have been banned probably more than anyone else here, some I deserved some were just silly bans that I did not deserve.

Would be REAL nice to make the amount of times we "report" be viewable in our profile.

ADD- This is still BY FAR the best (and most fun) MMO site out there. And I truely mean that.

  Betaguy

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Joined: 12/31/04
Posts: 2523

Some folks are like Slinkies, totally useless but great fun to watch when pushed down stairs

10/06/12 5:49:49 PM#52
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by Impulse47
I've been here a long time now. Every year the mods get a slightly longer stick up their asses. Very saddening as this board in general used to be awesome.

I agree with this statement... I have been here a long time as well and watched it change over time.  I have been banned probably more than anyone else here, some I deserved some were just silly bans that I did not deserve.

Would be REAL nice to make the amount of times we "report" be viewable in our profile.

I have never reported anyone for anything on this site in all the years I have been here and all the arguements I have been in.... just saying.

  defector1968

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Joined: 6/16/10
Posts: 400

Real Animal lovers are ONLY the vegetarians

10/06/12 6:01:03 PM#53

if someone has the power to change something, he will use it for his OWN good no matter what.

rules of contuct are bull, u can play with words to close a thread or ban someone without a specific reason

  SaintPhilip

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

10/06/12 6:04:12 PM#54
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by Impulse47
I've been here a long time now. Every year the mods get a slightly longer stick up their asses. Very saddening as this board in general used to be awesome.

I agree with this statement... I have been here a long time as well and watched it change over time.  I have been banned probably more than anyone else here, some I deserved some were just silly bans that I did not deserve.

Would be REAL nice to make the amount of times we "report" be viewable in our profile.

I have never reported anyone for anything on this site in all the years I have been here and all the arguements I have been in.... just saying.

-I wasnt insunuating that you were (although I see how you could think that re-reading my post)

I was just commenting that I think it would be nice to know (since I think there are a few here who really abuse the system andby making it public it show who is "trigger happy" and who "lives and let live")

  Betaguy

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Joined: 12/31/04
Posts: 2523

Some folks are like Slinkies, totally useless but great fun to watch when pushed down stairs

10/06/12 6:06:46 PM#55
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by Impulse47
I've been here a long time now. Every year the mods get a slightly longer stick up their asses. Very saddening as this board in general used to be awesome.

I agree with this statement... I have been here a long time as well and watched it change over time.  I have been banned probably more than anyone else here, some I deserved some were just silly bans that I did not deserve.

Would be REAL nice to make the amount of times we "report" be viewable in our profile.

I have never reported anyone for anything on this site in all the years I have been here and all the arguements I have been in.... just saying.

-I wasnt insunuating that you were (although I see how you could think that re-reading my post)

I was just commenting that I think it would be nice to know (since I think there are a few here who really abuse the system andby making it public it show who is "trigger happy" and who "lives and let live")

Oh no worries I didn't think that but was merely stating that for my own self, I agree there is others here who do abuse the report feature.

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 6959

10/06/12 6:09:44 PM#56

I got a warning for this the other day.

 

 

I am not so sure about your assessment in my experience. My guild has more or less just  vanished. Only a couple of them were even 80 so I suppose it depends upon how you define "longevity." I suppose assuming you do every bit of content, at a casual pace, this game does have a pretty long life, so in that case I could agree with the score. But on the other hand, as most of my friend's list and guild roster is going dark a month in, that score seems somehow disingeuous in my opinion.

 

Me - 15 of us with 4 leading the way, came over from TSW. I logged in last night, to see how people were doing,  there was one person on. That person was not one of the 15 either.  Anecdotal evidence, yes it is. True none the less, for better or for worse.

Sadly, it seems like anecdotal evidence is not really lining up with the critical reviews very well. I will play as long as I have fun, and I still am, but I can see the light coming through the door at this point.  Found myself looking at the planetside 2 website a lot these days, and even thinking  about something I swore off...MoP. Still gonna take more to make me play KungFu Pana Online than a failed GW2, but the fact that I have even thought it kinda saddens me. =)

Me- I feel you man lol. Pandaland and PS2 for me atm. They fit pretty nicely. I've been almost embarrassed to say I'm playing pandaland after almost a year and half... If you get the chance to play ps2 you should.

 

 

really

Elder Scrolls Online vs Wildstar Mass PvP you decide.

  Larsa

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10/06/12 6:11:45 PM#57

I have to agree with the notion that fans from new AAA releases get more leeway than people posting with a critical attitude towards these games. I believe that's in the general spirit of MMORPG.com as promoter for the gaming industry - but certainly not as a critical voice. Perhaps MMORPG.com has become more a fansite than a discussion site over the years.

Apart from that I don't find much wrong with the moderation here. Both the moderators and MikeB (but I don't share his gaming preferences! ) do a good job. To the best of my knowledge I never had a post of mine moderated or have been warned or banned on this site.

One thread I made was locked but Mike unlocked it very soon after I sent him an E-Mail. I believe it was just human error that the thread was locked, errors will happen so now and then, we're all humans, no big deal.

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  User Deleted
10/06/12 6:17:41 PM#58
Originally posted by bcbully

I got a warning for this the other day.

 

 

I am not so sure about your assessment in my experience. My guild has more or less just  vanished. Only a couple of them were even 80 so I suppose it depends upon how you define "longevity." I suppose assuming you do every bit of content, at a casual pace, this game does have a pretty long life, so in that case I could agree with the score. But on the other hand, as most of my friend's list and guild roster is going dark a month in, that score seems somehow disingeuous in my opinion.

 

Me - 15 of us with 4 leading the way, came over from TSW. I logged in last night, to see how people were doing,  there was one person on. That person was not one of the 15 either.  Anecdotal evidence, yes it is. True none the less, for better or for worse.

Sadly, it seems like anecdotal evidence is not really lining up with the critical reviews very well. I will play as long as I have fun, and I still am, but I can see the light coming through the door at this point.  Found myself looking at the planetside 2 website a lot these days, and even thinking  about something I swore off...MoP. Still gonna take more to make me play KungFu Pana Online than a failed GW2, but the fact that I have even thought it kinda saddens me. =)

Me- I feel you man lol. Pandaland and PS2 for me atm. They fit pretty nicely. I've been almost embarrassed to say I'm playing pandaland after almost a year and half... If you get the chance to play ps2 you should.

 

 

really

 

Holy crap.

 

btw: I have the exact same 15 player guild with not a soul online thing going on. I'm back with MoP now too.

  Painlezz

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10/06/12 6:24:28 PM#59

I didn't read all the 100's of replies on this thread but i'm curious if anyone touched on the real issue?

 

I'm 99% sure mods don't read each and every single post on this site.  I believe they rely on the community to flag/report people and check on those as a whole... 

 

So the REAL issue?  Kids get mad that someone said something they don't agree with, they report that person, mod reads it (and likely no other posts related to it) and makes a judgement against the player. 

 

Example:

 

Kid says "WoW is stupid, anyone who plays WoW is a child and lives at home with their parents in the basement..."

Someone replies  "You, sir, are an idiot... please leave these forums right now"

Kid gets mad, reports "Someone"

Mod -> Reads thread calling someone an idiot and issues ban....

  GeezerGamer

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10/06/12 6:31:06 PM#60
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by Impulse47
I've been here a long time now. Every year the mods get a slightly longer stick up their asses. Very saddening as this board in general used to be awesome.

I agree with this statement... I have been here a long time as well and watched it change over time.  I have been banned probably more than anyone else here, some I deserved some were just silly bans that I did not deserve.

Would be REAL nice to make the amount of times we "report" be viewable in our profile.

I have never reported anyone for anything on this site in all the years I have been here and all the arguements I have been in.... just saying.

-I wasnt insunuating that you were (although I see how you could think that re-reading my post)

I was just commenting that I think it would be nice to know (since I think there are a few here who really abuse the system andby making it public it show who is "trigger happy" and who "lives and let live")

Those "Trigger Happy" reporters seem to forget just how often they type questionable posts. It's a double edged sword theat can certainly come back to cut them too. 

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