I'm looking forward to it. This and whatever Blizzard has up their sleeve. 

SWTOR was a disappointment but I'll be going back to it when it's F2P. GW2 is the most boring MMO I've ever played.

I've been a Bethesda fan for a decade.

About 7 years ago I remember an interview where Bethesda was asked if they would ever take the game to the MMO space. The response was something close to "when hell freezes over... we believe our series is strictly designed to showcase everything that a single player RPG should strive to be".

Either hell has frozen over, or the company that I was a fan of is no longer existant.

(I understand TES:Online is a phoned in hero engine cash in for the valuable TES brand, and is being built by a 3rd party dev, but it utterly cheapens the series in my eyes)

Originally posted by timeraider
meh.. if they want to make an mmo.. fine with me, but still i think they did rather put the time and money in their singleplayer games instead of an MMO.

Bethesda have minimal involvement in the MMO. So don't worry, you'll still get TES: 6 and Fallout: London

Originally posted by mechtech256

I've been a Bethesda fan for a decade.

 

About 7 years ago I remember an interview where Bethesda was asked if they would ever take the game to the MMO space. The response was something close to "when hell freezes over... we believe our series is strictly designed to showcase everything that a single player RPG should strive to be".

 

Either hell has frozen over, or the company that I was a fan of is no longer existant.

(I understand TES:Online is a phoned in hero engine cash in for the valuable TES brand, and is being built by a 3rd party dev, but it utterly cheapens the series in my eyes)

Bethesda wouldnt make a MMO out of it no matter the owner company (zenimax) told them, thus Zenimax took the IP and gave it for another daughter company to slaughter.

Elder Scrolls games already are "Single player mmo's" so to speak, so Elder Scrolls fans have certain mindset on how perfect Elder Scrolls MMO should be, the more info the company making ESO gives out  the more apparent it becomes that they're only in for grabbing a quick buck on "World of Elderscrolls" 

TES combat and mechanics just wouldn't work in an MMO. At least they are leaving in stamina and trying to make combat more tactical and reactive.

Am I the only one who thinks TES combat is extremely boring? I prefer even traditional MMO combat.

All I love about the TES series is the world, story and lore. All of which will be in the MMO.

Originally posted by rush1984

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And ofcourse they will keep alot of the things we loved about teh single player RPG's  if i was to guess there will be alot of exploration, random dynamic events, killable NPCs Factions to join , epic boss battles and awesome character customisation etc

At the end of the day if you dont want to play it and you prefer single player version im sure they are not goign to stop making them and you dont have to play the MMORPG version

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That's the most important question. What are they going to change?

• They will definitely have to change a lot to offer each player a certain gaming experience. Quests for one will probably be made like people know it from existing MMORPGs.
• PvP will as well be adressed. We all know how people like to play different character archetypes and still want to be competitive. Which will effect the game mechanics.
• How much focus will the gear threadmill get? How is crafting going to be? There is always a conflict between finding gear as drops from opponents (e.g. while raiding, while doing dungeons), from quest/pvp rewards and crafting.
• How much sandboxy will it remain?

The point is that if they do TESO the next single player version will probably come much much later.

Originally posted by Butcher_Inc

TES combat and mechanics just wouldn't work in an MMO. At least they are leaving in stamina and trying to make combat more tactical and reactive.

 

Am I the only one who thinks TES combat is extremely boring? I prefer even traditional MMO combat.

 

All I love about the TES series is the world, story and lore. All of which will be in the MMO.

Melee is pretty bad, ranged is as it should be.

Tab-/auto-targeting (in MMOs) was a necessity in the past due to hardware restrictions, today no such restrictions exist, Darkfall and Planetside are a proof of that. They can take the autotargeting route if they prefer it, but it's utter bullshit to claim that FPS style combat can't be done.

You like TES world? Hope you like making alts too, you'll be needing at least two alts to see the whole world.

Originally posted by Butcher_Inc

TES combat and mechanics just wouldn't work in an MMO. At least they are leaving in stamina and trying to make combat more tactical and reactive.

 

Am I the only one who thinks TES combat is extremely boring? I prefer even traditional MMO combat.

 

All I love about the TES series is the world, story and lore. All of which will be in the MMO.

TERA, DFO, MO (As buggy as it is considering it was done by a crap team it still shows what can be done). The FPS style combat can and has been done by others. You can try all you want to say it wouldn't work but that has been proven false by several other companies lol.

TERA, DFO, MO (As buggy as it is considering it was done by a crap team it still shows what can be done). The FPS style combat can and has been done by others. You can try all you want to say it wouldn't work but that has been proven false by several other companies lol.

I agree tab targetting is out dated and needs to go, TERA combat is great. Shame it's Korean.

I've never seen first person executed well in an MMO however. 

Originally posted by Butcher_Inc

TERA, DFO, MO (As buggy as it is considering it was done by a crap team it still shows what can be done). The FPS style combat can and has been done by others. You can try all you want to say it wouldn't work but that has been proven false by several other companies lol.

 

I agree tab targetting is out dated and needs to go, TERA combat is great. Shame it's Korean.

 

I've never seen first person executed well in an MMO however. 

except shooters ofcourse ^

In Elder scrolls pvp  first person view would suck , i do feel tab targeting is out fo date though and would prefer soemthing along teh lines of tera's combat which i think is awesome

Originally posted by rush1984

In Elder scrolls pvp  first person view would suck , i do feel tab targeting is out fo date though and would prefer soemthing along teh lines of tera's combat which i think is awesome

I don't think we know enough about the possiblities to draw this conclusion. 

The fp pvp in Darkfall was great, in my opinion (there were some other issues, but I think the view was not one to me).  Let's see how they do it in DFUW.  Also, it was one of the things I liked about Mortal Online. So a first person view is technically posssible, though it may be difficult to pull off well. 

Elder Scrolls in it's true form (first person view)  would be fine for pvp. It would just be really hard to re-create the Elder Scrolls depth in an mmorpg. 

In response to the original post, I think there is a lot of hate because people are suspicious of this being a money grab, or being something too much like SWTOR, which was using a beloved IP just to sell boxes.  That's probably one of the main reasons. I think SWTOR has a lot to do with how many people feel about TESO now.

Originally posted by Butcher_Inc

Originally posted by timeraider
meh.. if they want to make an mmo.. fine with me, but still i think they did rather put the time and money in their singleplayer games instead of an MMO.

 

Bethesda have minimal involvement in the MMO. So don't worry, you'll still get TES: 6 and Fallout: London

Bethesda is the one involved in the making of the MMO. ZeniMax online is Bethesda. Always has been always will be. If you have an old boxed copy of Oblivion look at the box "Bethesda Softworks a ZeniMax Media company". Bethesda will not let another developing company make an Elder Scrolls game. They just created a new extension for the developing of the MMO. Believe me it will play like an Elder Scrolls game. It will have the right lore. It will have the correct races and classes. It will just be adjusted to function and play in an MMO environment and for this lover of Elder Scrolls I am ok with that.

I believe one of the developers said they have been planning the MMO for like 3 years now, so it will be a good game. It will not create an Oblivion gate and suck the life out of the Elder Scrolls universe.

Elder Scrolls have always had the following:

1. Bunch of bugs.

2. MAJOR logic flaws in skill combinations; most recently, in Skyrim, you can end up OHKOing everything by exploiting Blacksmithing, Enchanting and Alchemy.

3. Horrible combat. Check out Skyrim Nexus for combat mods, they always end up making the game better.

4. LOTS OF MODS.

Every one of these things contribute to what makes an "Elder Scrolls" game. None of these things will last in an MMO.

See why it won't work? -_-