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  Yamota

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10/10/12 4:03:13 AM#41
Originally posted by kishe

The appeal of Elder Scrolls games are the fact they're sandbox type rpgs. Now what are we getting? Linear Themepark wow-clone using same engine as SWTOR.

 

In Elder Scrolls games you are free to do what you want, where you want, at your own pace...I just cant see that translating to traditional themepark setting that the zenimax is aiming for.

Yep. Same thing happened with Warhammer Online, AoC, SW:TOR and so on. For some reason the big money MMORPG producers dont believe in MMO sandbox games, even if the IP's single player games are such games. Sad really.

  Caldrin

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10/10/12 4:08:32 AM#42
Originally posted by kishe

The appeal of Elder Scrolls games are the fact they're sandbox type rpgs. Now what are we getting? Linear Themepark wow-clone using same engine as SWTOR.

 

In Elder Scrolls games you are free to do what you want, where you want, at your own pace...I just cant see that translating to traditional themepark setting that the zenimax is aiming for.

Ill say it again.. there is nothing from with the Hero Engine, and the current version of the Hero Engine is totally different to the one used in SWTOR.. Bioware managed to botch that up..

 

This gaem is so far off and we have so little info i really dont know how you can come to the conclusion that its a bad joke.

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  ShakyMo

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10/10/12 4:09:09 AM#43
I would also say skyrim isn't a sandbox.

Although it is now with the release of hearthfire, before that it wasn't.
  halflife25

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10/10/12 4:12:49 AM#44
Originally posted by kishe

The appeal of Elder Scrolls games are the fact they're sandbox type rpgs. Now what are we getting? Linear Themepark wow-clone using same engine as SWTOR.

 

In Elder Scrolls games you are free to do what you want, where you want, at your own pace...I just cant see that translating to traditional themepark setting that the zenimax is aiming for.

If TESO is a WOW clone then what is GW2? because if you paid any attention to the features TESO has more in common with GW2 than WOW.

Atleast do your research first before you want to call TESO a WOW clone.

  CujoSWAoA

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10/10/12 4:14:36 AM#45
Its definitely not The Elder Scrolls.

Just like SW:TOR was definitely not Star Wars.

  Yamota

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10/10/12 4:15:04 AM#46
Originally posted by timtrack
What company in their right mind would chase after a few thousand sandbox-enthusiasts when there are potentially 10+ million costumers to steal from Blizzard?

300.000+ are playing Eve online and that is a niche sandbox as it is hardcore PvP and space-ship MMO. And as no triple A fantasy sandbox MMO have been released since Asheron's Call, 10 years ago, there is no telling how big this market is.

My guess is that there is a huge amount of people, sick of linear ThemeParks, who want to play a virtual world sandbox MMO. One that is not based on space-ships and FFA PvP and once such a game, with a big budget, is released it will have millions of subs.

Those 10+millions you mention is an illusion. Tons of MMO's have tried to chase that "dream", AoC, WAR, Aion, Champions Online, SW:TOR, LotRO and none of them got more than a a few houndred thousands sustained subs. There will never be a WoW type game again as it was a fluke.

  CujoSWAoA

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10/10/12 4:16:29 AM#47

There will never be a WoW type game again as it was a fluke.

Exactly.

  Yamota

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10/10/12 4:16:51 AM#48
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by kishe

The appeal of Elder Scrolls games are the fact they're sandbox type rpgs. Now what are we getting? Linear Themepark wow-clone using same engine as SWTOR.

 

In Elder Scrolls games you are free to do what you want, where you want, at your own pace...I just cant see that translating to traditional themepark setting that the zenimax is aiming for.

If TESO is a WOW clone then what is GW2? because if you paid any attention to the features TESO has more in common with GW2 than WOW.

Atleast do your research first before you want to call TESO a WOW clone.

WoW and GW 2 are ThemeParks and Skyrim certainly was not. So albeit WoW clone might be wrong, it does seem like Elder Scrolls Online will be yet another ThemePark.

  ShakyMo

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10/10/12 4:16:52 AM#49
Swtor was all corridors and loneliness with an engine that ground to the halt in crowds because BIOWARE WANTED IT THAT WAY. They wanted to build a story driven sprpg, that's what they do,they are all about story. Ea made them make it a mmo, because they had wow "10 million subs" dollar signs in their eyes.

The people making TESO don't come from that sort if background. Unlike mass effect, kotor etc..

The people making TESO worked on uo, daoc, skyrim, swg, quake amongst others, they cone from big world with lots of players running around backgrounds, you Can be dam sure any engine work they do is to facilitate big areas and large groups of players.
  halflife25

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10/10/12 4:17:30 AM#50
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by timtrack
What company in their right mind would chase after a few thousand sandbox-enthusiasts when there are potentially 10+ million costumers to steal from Blizzard?

A few thousand? lol.. If someone finally made a great sandbox it would make a shitload of money.

Yeah keep dreaming. Sandbox players are impossible to please. I consider EVE to be a great sandbox and even it is a niche title.

There is no such thing as a great sandbox, it  never will be because someone somewhere is going to hate it regardless.

  Vonatar

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10/10/12 4:19:03 AM#51

It may as well be called Dark Age of Tamriel given how it's a reboot of DAoC in a different IP. Am I happy about that? No. Is it the Elder Scrolls MMO I would have wanted? No.

 

Will I buy it? Yes

 

Why? Because it could be a really fun game regardless.

 

People spend too much time whining about stuff that is all about enjoyment. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Wish they were making a different game? They're not so get over it.

  ShakyMo

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10/10/12 4:23:14 AM#52
What vontar said

If you don't like the game at least have a go at it for what it is. A rvr driven themepark with sandbox elements in the vein of daoc and gw2.

You just make yourselves look stupid when you resort to "another on the rails swtor 2" hyperbole.
  halflife25

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10/10/12 4:25:04 AM#53
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by kishe

The appeal of Elder Scrolls games are the fact they're sandbox type rpgs. Now what are we getting? Linear Themepark wow-clone using same engine as SWTOR.

 

In Elder Scrolls games you are free to do what you want, where you want, at your own pace...I just cant see that translating to traditional themepark setting that the zenimax is aiming for.

If TESO is a WOW clone then what is GW2? because if you paid any attention to the features TESO has more in common with GW2 than WOW.

Atleast do your research first before you want to call TESO a WOW clone.

WoW and GW 2 are ThemeParks and Skyrim certainly was not. So albeit WoW clone might be wrong, it does seem like Elder Scrolls Online will be yet another ThemePark.

I don't care for labels.

TESO reminds me so much of DAOC and it is one of the best MMOS ever made (imo). If TESO is a mix of GW2 and DAOC , this combo can never go wrong.

TESO has ahuge open world and non linear gameplay. More than enough for me.

  Yamota

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10/10/12 4:59:36 AM#54
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by timtrack
What company in their right mind would chase after a few thousand sandbox-enthusiasts when there are potentially 10+ million costumers to steal from Blizzard?

A few thousand? lol.. If someone finally made a great sandbox it would make a shitload of money.

Yeah keep dreaming. Sandbox players are impossible to please. I consider EVE to be a great sandbox and even it is a niche title.

There is no such thing as a great sandbox, it  never will be because someone somewhere is going to hate it regardless.

Sorry but what you say can be applied to any type of game. The fact is not a single triple A sandbox MMORPG has EVER been released and no one has even tried. The fact that indy sandbox MMORPGs have been done shows that it can be done but to create a great game, of any type, requires an equally great budget and so far no producer is willing to do that because they are still chasing the pipe dream of another WoW.

  Yamota

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10/10/12 5:02:14 AM#55
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by kishe

The appeal of Elder Scrolls games are the fact they're sandbox type rpgs. Now what are we getting? Linear Themepark wow-clone using same engine as SWTOR.

 

In Elder Scrolls games you are free to do what you want, where you want, at your own pace...I just cant see that translating to traditional themepark setting that the zenimax is aiming for.

If TESO is a WOW clone then what is GW2? because if you paid any attention to the features TESO has more in common with GW2 than WOW.

Atleast do your research first before you want to call TESO a WOW clone.

WoW and GW 2 are ThemeParks and Skyrim certainly was not. So albeit WoW clone might be wrong, it does seem like Elder Scrolls Online will be yet another ThemePark.

I don't care for labels.

TESO reminds me so much of DAOC and it is one of the best MMOS ever made (imo). If TESO is a mix of GW2 and DAOC , this combo can never go wrong.

TESO has ahuge open world and non linear gameplay. More than enough for me.

If what you say is true, i.e. that TESO has a huge open world with non linear gameplay then that would indicate that it is NOT a ThemePark. But somehow I very much doubt that this will be the case.

Neither DAoC nor GW 2 has that btw. Both were quite linear with carefully level bracketted zones and GW 2 dungeons are all instanced. It certainly does not have a non linear gameplay.

  halflife25

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10/10/12 5:04:28 AM#56
Originally posted by Yamota
If what you say is true, i.e. that TESO has a huge open world with non linear gameplay then that would indicate that it is NOT a ThemePark. But somehow I very much doubt that this will be the case.

Neither DAoC nor GW 2 has that btw. Both were quite linear with carefully level bracketted zones and DAoC dungeons are all instanced. It certainly does not have a non linear gameplay.

It is true on basis of the features revealed so far.  Daoc and GW2 both are non linear. Maybe we understand the meaning of term differently.

 

 

Originally posted by Yamota
Sorry but what you say can be applied to any type of game. The fact is not a single triple A sandbox MMORPG has EVER been released and no one has even tried. The fact that indy sandbox MMORPGs have been done shows that it can be done but to create a great game, of any type, requires an equally great budget and so far no producer is willing to do that because they are still chasing the pipe dream of another WoW.

 

I would say compared to sandbox players themepark players actually do enjoy their games. As far as AAA MMO is concerned WOD is going to be that. So i guess time to put money where your mouth is once WOD rleases.

  sandboxy

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10/10/12 8:58:08 AM#57
Originally posted by halflife25

TESO has ahuge open world and non linear gameplay. More than enough for me.

Only 1 area, Cyrodiil, is open for everyone.

Where is this huge open world you are talking about?

  Sovrath

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10/10/12 9:01:51 AM#58
Originally posted by kishe

The appeal of Elder Scrolls games are the fact they're sandbox type rpgs. Now what are we getting? Linear Themepark wow-clone using same engine as SWTOR.

 

In Elder Scrolls games you are free to do what you want, where you want, at your own pace...I just cant see that translating to traditional themepark setting that the zenimax is aiming for.

I believe the purpose of this game is NOT to give Elder Scrolls fans a typical Elder Scrolls game but to draw in mmo players to the Elder Scrolls lore.

Essentially, they are going after the mmo market.

  Skooma2

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10/10/12 9:06:39 AM#59

I stumbled across this thread, as I would not normally post in this forum.  Having said that, why are all you people so invested in this game at least a year before its release?  There is PandaWoW, TSW, GW2 and Rohan beta.  Isn't that enough to keep you busy?  I don't understand what the purpose is of a "kvetch" thread for a game that hasn't even alphaed yet.

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  Zefire

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10/10/12 9:09:18 AM#60

Seems like there are still hopes copying wow is successful.

If it's going to be free i dont care what they ar3e going to make

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