Originally posted by Lawlmonster

The impossibility argument is ridiculous, and if they wanted to find a way to make a Skyrim modeled world in a massively environment, there are ways to make it happen. Hell, a few international developers have been modding Skyrim itself to allow for a massively environment, and from my understanding the world is more than capable of holding a few hundred players at the least. That's without any professional or company programmer, who's familiar with the code or structure, making the system work with the tools they have available. If they can do it, why can't Zenimax?

 

Because it's easier on resources and management to make a game from the same tired conception than to spend the man power and time that it would require to build something new, that wasn't elementary MMO design coupled with a few gimmicks. That so many people have bought into the impossibility of a Skryim-esque massively world, an excuse or a lie no matter how it's presented? It makes me die a little inside.

Thats right, i didn't say it should be the size of single players Skyrim. They can make huge world maybe 10xSkyrim SP. I still can't see where is the problem to make game like that. Only problem is stupidity of game developers. They can't understand that with copy of wow you can't beat wow because he is dominant on that kind of play field. Mortal online have that kind of ''Skyrim'' concept but it is poorly made game

Originally posted by gordiflu

It would not work becouse there would be no balance whatsoever. Many players use balancing mods for enhanced difficulty, or nerf themselves on purpose becouse, if you exploit the game mechanics, you are godly even on master difficulty once you get to certain level.

Now, many elements of Skyrim would be nice to see in MMOs, like proper NPC AI, the combat system or some of its elements, character progression, where you can build you character however you prefer, yet having to make choices, and so on.

I' ve seen some rumours about a possible Fallout MMO. You may get something similar to what you are asking for, OP, you never know.

 

Hmmm.. That could be nice to :)

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by bubaluba
Make please Skyrim mmo! With same graphic and same world., same skills, combat,everything same. Just give mmo option with clans pvp. I want finally  one realistic and brutal mmo with super awesome Skyrim graphic. Mortal online was on good path but failed totally. Are developers blind or what?

Skyrim wouldnt transition to an MMO very well.  The things that do transition well (except player housing) is being made into TESO.

TESO will have:

• the entire world of Tamriel not jsut Skyrim
• the skills will be the same but placed in a class system *at least we will get t ochose what skills we use and get complete total freedom of what weapons we use.
• TES combat is arguably the worst part, clicking is bad compared to hotbar based combat.
• TES will continue to be an open world where you see soemthing off in the distance and go and explore.  Complete with TES style "world compass".

 

The good things are making the cut the things that cant be converted into an MMO will not.

I think you'll find many that would disagree with you. I and many others liked TES's combat system. And not many of the good things have made the cut and the things that could be converted over into an MMO are being neglected and we are getting standard fare instead.

What exactly do you think couldn't be done in an MMO?

Originally posted by Zylaxx

• TES will continue to be an open world where you see soemthing off in the distance and go and explore. 

 

Unless the 'something off in the distance' is in another factions area, then you are shit out of luck and need to roll an alt to reach it. Sound really fucking open world, amirite?

When we have games like Raiderz, Tera, DDO, Mount & Blade (and now War of the Roses), Planetside1/2, and their kin, which are multiplayer games driven by more action oriented play, I am really incapable of buying the 'can't be done' argument.

Are there aspects that need to be changed for multiplayer? Yes.

But does it have to be that drastic? No.

Take for example the whole 'player balance thing. They can still let players train up every skill path in the game, the thing is limiting the choices at playtime so they aren't just vomiting a rainbow of skills 24/7. 

It couls work as specializations. Each school becomes something that you have to pick a few to be your primary and secondary, the rest you will not have access to their abilities, or are locked out of the higher tier skills. When you setup your character you slot the ones you wish to train and have at it, want to play something different? Reslot.

The point is that they can have technical access to all abilities, but they need to train them up and only gain access to them individually. That way at playtime they are controlled in the variety they can employ.

Flatten the amount of vertical progress gained versus unlocking more variety and tweaks and you can keep disparity in 'skill vs time' to a mimimum as well for competitive play.

Graphics? Well the performance of the graphics has less to do with how fancy they are as much as Bethesda just isn't that great at getting good performance out of them. Aside from optimizations to the graphical performance I do think there's some tweaks they could do to the way they create graphics that would halep as well.

One being they don't tend to work the angles. For some reason they just seem to have a hard time hiding the polygons, and as a result anything they want curved will always end up either with a lot of polys, or a brick. Character models as well I feel have this habit of using considerably more polygons than is necessary to make a good looking model.

And they really need to clean up how they store and load stuff. It's not clean within the engine and there's too many ways to easily mess something up. :p

Aside from that, they can also handle how the world is segmented differently. The two things that come to mind is, well...

1 - I'm not really that averse to phasing. Creating several versions of elements that can be tied to a zone and changed in and out as the players complete certain activities gives a bit more liveliness to the world. However, it also segregates it in some awkwards ways at times. I think there are little details that would be invaluable to use phasing for, but I have no concrete examples right now.

2 - This one is more important to me. World space portals. I don't mean instance portals. I mean the things capable of generating what is known as non-euclidean geometry. For example when you look at a hut and enter it to find out the interior is notably larger than would reasonably fit from the outside.

They are portals build to bridge separate zone components in the game world into an apparently seamless environment.

What this does is allow for some of those little habits Bethesda has, such as player homes looking most definitely smaller inside than they do outside, to be a moot point in the context of environments as you can store the interior of the house as a detached segment hidden under the world's geometry and make the doorway a portal into it without the need of a loading screen.

This can be used on other things such as cities and caves as well, they can exist in their own detached area so they can scale properly when inside them, but they can plug into smaller zones that couldn't otherwise fit them.

As for making an Elder Scrolls game. I stick by my old opinion that it's the fundamental concept behind the gameplay that people, or at least I, value. I know I at least wish to see a game that plays with that more action and actively driven combat, in a more fleshed out world, with at least a few friends. I would be just as happy with a small scale Elder Scrolls co-op game as I would be an Elder Scrolls MMO.