Originally posted by ShakyMo
This "for anyone who was into oldschool mmos" nonsense

What you mean really is "for anyone who was into EQ". And yeah gw2 has nothing for hardcore EQ players (or hardcore wow type game players).

Arenanet didn't make this game for you.

They made it for the rest of us, who are sick to death of games that are completely dominated by a hardcore pve progression endgame at the expense of everything else.

Smart move on their part, why compete in an over saturated market. Why compete against the "10 million players" gorilla.

I'm an oldschool gamer, you're not speaking for me, gw2 Is the best themepark mmo for my tastes since daoc.

What's also great is no sub, so in the future I can satisfy all my mmo needs by playing it alongside eve.

/aggreed

Originally posted by abeltensor

 

with a broken dungeon system and no distinguishable class system, a hidden quest system and absolutely no end game this game doesnt deserve any of the praise its getting.  It basically is the game that will break the genre of the MMORPG and turn serious gamers away.  In-fact, i think MMOs died when WoW came out and every mmo after that decided to make their content all quest based.  

Back in the days of real MMOs where you invested 1000s of hours into your character and went on quests that were for unique items most of which sucked in retrospect but where fun to have because you could say i got that by competing this mammoth quest that involved talking to No NPCs.  Instead these games no supplement those unique items with achievements which don’t really matter either way.  GW2 isn’t innovative, Its ambitious but that about it.   The idea of breaking the Holy Trinity is quite a good one, but the way it was executed was horrible.  The idea of level scaling was a good one, but in the game it was horrible.  Etc etc.  There so much in this game that sounds good on paper but really turns out to be a bad decision.  

For any one who was into the old school MMOs, the "Hard-core" crowd this review is an insult and a horrifying look into what is supposedly considered to be innovative in this genera. 

THIS TIMES 1,000,000

It is a complete insult.  Now we know that people prefer generic and stupid over thought provoking and complex.  Wonderful....another beautiful creation destroyed by the "Pop Culture"...

Good review.

From where i'm sitting i think the social score was a bit high. More like 7...

The rest is... debatable.

 I've had a lot of fun already and I already got 60 dollars of playtime out of it. So i'll be logging back in shortly....

Originally posted by Randayn

Originally posted by abeltensor

 

with a broken dungeon system and no distinguishable class system, a hidden quest system and absolutely no end game this game doesnt deserve any of the praise its getting.  It basically is the game that will break the genre of the MMORPG and turn serious gamers away.  In-fact, i think MMOs died when WoW came out and every mmo after that decided to make their content all quest based.  

Back in the days of real MMOs where you invested 1000s of hours into your character and went on quests that were for unique items most of which sucked in retrospect but where fun to have because you could say i got that by competing this mammoth quest that involved talking to No NPCs.  Instead these games no supplement those unique items with achievements which don’t really matter either way.  GW2 isn’t innovative, Its ambitious but that about it.   The idea of breaking the Holy Trinity is quite a good one, but the way it was executed was horrible.  The idea of level scaling was a good one, but in the game it was horrible.  Etc etc.  There so much in this game that sounds good on paper but really turns out to be a bad decision.  

For any one who was into the old school MMOs, the "Hard-core" crowd this review is an insult and a horrifying look into what is supposedly considered to be innovative in this genera. 

THIS TIMES 1,000,000

It is a complete insult.  Now we know that people prefer generic and stupid over thought provoking and complex.  Wonderful....another beautiful creation destroyed by the "Pop Culture"...

Then why don't one of you two, oh wise grandmasters of MMORPGs, give us an example so profoundly amazing, that everyone that played old-school MMOs would say, "YES! THAT is INNOVATION!".

Because i'm pretty sure opinions vary regardless of what time period you started playing.

Not a perfect game, but still the best MMO I've ever played in most respects. And people who claim it isn't innovative don't understand the meaning of the word. (They may not like the innovations, but should admit they exist.)

I'll be interested to see what the game looks like in a year, and what gets introduced in the first expansion. GW1 was good about incorporating player feedback, so I think GW2 will just get better.

Originally posted by Wolvards

Originally posted by Randayn

Originally posted by abeltensor

 

with a broken dungeon system and no distinguishable class system, a hidden quest system and absolutely no end game this game doesnt deserve any of the praise its getting.  It basically is the game that will break the genre of the MMORPG and turn serious gamers away.  In-fact, i think MMOs died when WoW came out and every mmo after that decided to make their content all quest based.  

Back in the days of real MMOs where you invested 1000s of hours into your character and went on quests that were for unique items most of which sucked in retrospect but where fun to have because you could say i got that by competing this mammoth quest that involved talking to No NPCs.  Instead these games no supplement those unique items with achievements which don’t really matter either way.  GW2 isn’t innovative, Its ambitious but that about it.   The idea of breaking the Holy Trinity is quite a good one, but the way it was executed was horrible.  The idea of level scaling was a good one, but in the game it was horrible.  Etc etc.  There so much in this game that sounds good on paper but really turns out to be a bad decision.  

For any one who was into the old school MMOs, the "Hard-core" crowd this review is an insult and a horrifying look into what is supposedly considered to be innovative in this genera. 

THIS TIMES 1,000,000

It is a complete insult.  Now we know that people prefer generic and stupid over thought provoking and complex.  Wonderful....another beautiful creation destroyed by the "Pop Culture"...

Then why don't one of you two, oh wise grandmasters of MMORPGs, give us an example so profoundly amazing, that everyone that played old-school MMOs would say, "YES! THAT is INNOVATION!".

Because i'm pretty sure opinions vary regardless of what time period you started playing.

lol very true. Not only when you started playing but your likes and dislikes.

I'm floored by this score.. really, a 9.3? Have our expectations really gone that low for games?

Why didn't you talk about the non-existant economy and how items are selling for less than cost to make.. or how the customer service is non-existant?  The non-existant PvE game at 80 that only exists of endless Legendary grinding?

I'm sorry Bill but this review is just your initial love for the game.  Everyone I know has already quit because at 80 there's nothing to do but grind, grind, grind.

I'll be waiting for the re-review at GW2's 6th month milestone (or whenever, much later). 

I get why people are up in arms about it. But don't you already know by now how this site handles big title releases?

Sorry, these "pros" need explaining:

- Worthwhile crafting

- Fantastic story & dungeons

No way, in no how are either of those objectively true.

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Needs more connection between the lore/quests and the world though IMO.

That's why you need to hear what NPC are saying. Dynamic event chains are well connected.

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Needs more connection between the lore/quests and the world though IMO.

Its there for those who want it, they just made it so you didnt have to click through it all if you didnt want it.

Talking to the Heart NPCs and NPCs in and around DEs gives a lot more to the story going on there and helps tie the overall story together if you follow most of it through the game.

For anyone reading this looking to purchase the game, here's the best review I can give:

It's closer to Diablo 3 than an MMO if that helps.

Pros:

- Fantastic story & dungeons

I think this is just an insult for every descent story writer in games. Fantastic story? sorry but thats hilarious.

And dungeons? They have literally no boss mechanics and are mostly a spawn-rush fest.

I can understand many points in that review. but seriously? /facepalm

Originally posted by Lethality

For anyone reading this looking to purchase the game, here's the best review I can give:

 

It's closer to Diablo 3 than an MMO if that helps.

 

 

- Lobby based

- Non-persistant

- extremely gear & stat dependant

- real money AH

- isometric view

- No PvP whatsoever

- extensive gear grinding in order to progress past X point

- 99% of stuff that drops is completely useless, including the uniques

- 100% linear with only one method of leveling

- so terrible that the staff pretty much came out and said "yeah we screwed up, we need to redo a huge portion of the game" due to pissed off fans of the series

That sounds EXACTLY like GW2. /sarcasm

This is the first MMORPG I would personally rate at higher than 9.0 in a long time. For me, here's my tally of the games I've enjoyed most so far:

City of Heroes: 9.4

Eve Online: 9.0

World of Warcraft: 9.1

Lord of the Rings Online Pre-Mirkwood: 8.9

Lord of the Rings Online Post-Mirkwood: 7.5

Everquest 2: 7.6

Aion: 8.5

Wakfu: 8.0

Final Fantasy XIV: 7.8

The Secret World: 8.2

Guild Wars 2: 9.3

So yeah, I agree with Bill's score. I like the game more than both Eve and WoW, but it falls just shy of utter magic that was City of Heroes before I burnt out on it (over four years paid time). Regardless, I'll be playing the game for quite a long time.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Lethality

For anyone reading this looking to purchase the game, here's the best review I can give:

 

It's closer to Diablo 3 than an MMO if that helps.

 

 

- Lobby based

- Non-persistant

- extremely gear & stat dependant

- real money AH

- isometric view

- No PvP whatsoever

- extensive gear grinding in order to progress past X point

- 99% of stuff that drops is completely useless, including the uniques

- 100% linear with only one method of leveling

- so terrible that the staff pretty much came out and said "yeah we screwed up, we need to redo a huge portion of the game" due to pissed off fans of the series

That sounds EXACTLY like GW2. /sarcasm

 

It's the gameplay... hack/slash/grind and no RPG elements involved. As a matter of fact, Diablo 3 does RPG better than GW2.

It's simply not an MMORPG as people would expect.