In fact the GW2 businessmodel does not require player retention.

With GW2 you all bought a 60$ lifetime subscription for a F2P game with cash shop, at that price range no one expects you to stay forever ( or even abandon other MMOs)

Originally posted by korent1991

tor was loosing subs all the time... We can see how good it kept subs numbers by the fact that they're doing F2P conversion.

GW2 is a success just by sales numbers so far, since it's the only thing they can see because of their model. GW2 IS NOT F2P.

Just by the numbers of players still in game and how the queue for W3 is full all the time on my server I'd say it's doing pretty damn good...

By the way, just because someone is playing a game you don't like they're not instantly "fanboi", as you ignorantly proclaim us.

No swtor's time played held through the first 30 days, after the free time was gone the slide began. GW2 play time has been sliding since the first weekend at a much steeper rate than swtor. Remember swtor sold 2.7 million in the first couple months.

As far as sales numbers some analyst predicted 3.12 million by years end. With forbes going as far to say they expect GW2 to take 25% of WoW base. Niether of these projection look like they will be meet from my perspective. GW2 needs 1.2 million more people to buy in the next 2 months, and it looks like WoW just might gain 10-15%. 

What I haven't been able to find is NCsoft's internal projections. All I found iis they expect BS and GW2 to make up for the loss in profits reported in the 2nd qt.

Originally posted by Theocritus

     IT seems like every MMO follows the same pattern on this site:

1. in beta every MMO is the greatest thing ever

2. at release the games are promising but the bad release is hurting it

3. one month after release the game is crap and is a failure despite what the sales numbers say

4. players start looking for the next great MMO that is over 2 years away from release and proclaim how great it is though they have never played it

haha word. and gw2 aint a flop but its maybe not what we need ^_^ I play it anyway, im so bored.

Originally posted by Razperil

I've noticed that these threads pop up constantly when a "certain" MMO has let people down or they feel the need to draw attention away from it. We all know which MMO I am talking about..

As far as topic, GW2 is hardly a flop. Just because it doesn't cater to you wow kids does not make it a flop. Your whole community has way too much growing up to do. Why don't you do the rest of us a favor, go back to your panda land and learn that kung fu. 

All in all, we play games we like. Try to be respectful of other game's successes wether you like it or not. :)

looking at website stats, GW2 and WoW age demographics look a lot alike... Plenty of "kids" in both.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/guildwars2.com

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/battle.net#

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wowhead.com WoWhead listed because battle.net includes other games. 

oh and it's funny how the traffic numbers mirror xfire. 

Originally posted by Gozzar

Originally posted by Theocritus

     IT seems like every MMO follows the same pattern on this site:

1. in beta every MMO is the greatest thing ever

2. at release the games are promising but the bad release is hurting it

3. one month after release the game is crap and is a failure despite what the sales numbers say

4. players start looking for the next great MMO that is over 2 years away from release and proclaim how great it is though they have never played it

haha word. and gw2 aint a flop but its maybe not what we need ^_^ I play it anyway, im so bored.

I have a friend that did this with Warhammer, AOC, Rift, SWTOR, TSW and now GW2. He mocked us everytime for playing an outdated game instead of this new, surefire WOW killer. It was funny the first 3 times, now it's just sad.

Originally posted by bcbully

No swtor's time played held through the first 30 days, after the free time was gone the slide began. GW2 play time has been sliding since the first weekend at a much steeper rate than swtor. Remember swtor sold 2.7 million in the first couple months.

GW2 is barely over a month old

SWTOR sold 2 million after 5 weeks and 2.4 million units after 4 months

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/swtor-sales-feb-2012/

http://m.ign.com/articles/2012/05/07/swtor-subscriber-base-shrinks

ncsoft financial quarter ended Sept 30 - will see report in early November

http://global.ncsoft.com/global/ir/earnings.aspx

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by bcbully

No swtor's time played held through the first 30 days, after the free time was gone the slide began. GW2 play time has been sliding since the first weekend at a much steeper rate than swtor. Remember swtor sold 2.7 million in the first couple months.

GW2 is barely over a month old

 

SWTOR sold 2 million after 5 weeks

 

http://m.ign.com/articles/2012/05/07/swtor-subscriber-base-shrinks

and 2.4 million units after 4 months

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/swtor-sales-feb-2012/

 

ncsoft financial quarter ended Sept 30 - will see financial quarter report in early November

http://global.ncsoft.com/global/ir/earnings.aspx

This is why I like you ;) In a purley plutonic way ofcourse...

To OP, Yes, it's too early to tell.
As far as everyone else claiming flop or success, it's still too early to tell.
If you call it one or the other laready, how do you know? Where did you get your info? How do you know what ANET and/or NCSoft determined they needed from this game and how do you know it met it or not? Did this game meet the expectations set for it or are people assuming that because it sold 2M it's great? We already saw what can happen to a game that sells that much.

At the same time, to call it a flop? Way to early. The model offers ANET and NCSoft a lot of cushion to play with before calling it a flop. And that's assuming they aren't calling it a success as is.

I don't think it met the lofty goal set by Mike O'Brien in his Forbes article, but that doesn't make it a failure.

They still have plenty of time to play with items in the cash shop And again, that's even assuming they need to.

No matter what people say, One way or another, the only ones who know if GW2 is a success or failure are NCSoft and ArenaNet.

Everything else is speculation.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

To OP, Yes, it's too early to tell.
As far as everyone else claiming flop or success, it's still too early to tell.
If you call it one or the other laready, how do you know? Where did you get your info? How do you know what ANET and/or NCSoft determined they needed from this game and how do you know it met it or not? Did this game meet the expectations set for it or are people assuming that because it sold 2M it's great? We already saw what can happen to a game that sells that much.

At the same time, to call it a flop? Way to early. The model offers ANET and NCSoft a lot of cushion to play with before calling it a flop. And that's assuming they aren't calling it a success as is.

I don't think it met the lofty goal set by Mike O'Brien in his Forbes article, but that doesn't make it a failure.

They still have plenty of time to play with items in the cash shop And again, that's even assuming they need to.

No matter what people say, One way or another, the only ones who know if GW2 is a success or failure are NCSoft and ArenaNet.

Everything else is speculation.

Agree 99% I'll add the 1% if you can tell what's more important, analyst projections or internal projections? 

Originally posted by ZigZags

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by ForumPvP

What was that company after,what is casual game? product for people who dont play much?

now if they dont play much,is that a flop or not?

 

Mike O'Brian aims to make Guild Wars 2 the number one MMORPG on the market; i.e. beat WoW.

 

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/04/23/arenanet-founder-mike-obrien-will-be-satisfied-when-guild-wars-2-is-the-most-successful-mmo-period/

NCSoft may have other goals, and so may other key people within Arenanet, so I suppose it depends on who you ask.

Well Mike can keep day dreaming. He painted a bull's eye on his back with a comment like that. GW2 beat WOW...lol. Ok what ever Mike.

LOL no kidding. Mike, tell that to the 2,000 ahead of me in the que to log into MoP.

 Log in queues. How ten years ago.

Originally posted by Yakamomoto

In fact the GW2 businessmodel does not require player retention.

With GW2 you all bought a 60$ lifetime subscription for a F2P game with cash shop, at that price range no one expects you to stay forever ( or even abandon other MMOs)

What a lod of crap. GW2 is designed in way that you need decent population to get things done. Whether it is DE's or W vW. If population retention is low, they will have to merge servers and we all know how players look at the news of server mergers. That is the first sign that MMO isn't doing well.

Moreover, Anet wants players to spend money on cash shop and they have said it time and again that they are going to expand on in game shop in future. And if players are unhappy that would mean less interest in future expansions.

Player retention is as important to GW2 as it is to any P2P MMO. 

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by Yakamomoto

In fact the GW2 businessmodel does not require player retention.

With GW2 you all bought a 60$ lifetime subscription for a F2P game with cash shop, at that price range no one expects you to stay forever ( or even abandon other MMOs)

What a lod of crap. GW2 is designed in way that you need decent population to get things done. Whether it is DE's or W vW. If population retention is low, they will have to merge servers and we all know how players look at the news of server mergers. That is the first sign that MMO isn't doing well.

Moreover, Anet wants players to spend money on cash shop and they have said it time and again that they are going to expand on in game shop in future. And if players are unhappy that would mean less interest in future expansions.

Player retention is as important to GW2 as it is to any P2P MMO. 

As of this time there is no population issue. The servers remain packed. Also DEs scale and if you only have a few people around then it will have the correct difficutly for that number of people. Many DEs are still being tweaked.

WvW is probably one of the most popular features right now. I play on Tarnished Coast. I had a 20 minute queue to get into a boarderland last night. After I was in the boarderland I queued for eternal and it was three hours before I got to enter. I'm just thankful its split into multiple ones like that. 

I don't know if it a flop or not.  What I do know is I see some of the same folks who trash talked other games and sung the priases of gw2, are now attacking gw2.  That in itself I find very funny.  I think some of these folks could win the lotery and complain that they spent it all and it was not enough.

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by Yakamomoto

In fact the GW2 businessmodel does not require player retention.

With GW2 you all bought a 60$ lifetime subscription for a F2P game with cash shop, at that price range no one expects you to stay forever ( or even abandon other MMOs)

What a lod of crap. GW2 is designed in way that you need decent population to get things done. Whether it is DE's or W vW. If population retention is low, they will have to merge servers and we all know how players look at the news of server mergers. That is the first sign that MMO isn't doing well.

Moreover, Anet wants players to spend money on cash shop and they have said it time and again that they are going to expand on in game shop in future. And if players are unhappy that would mean less interest in future expansions.

Player retention is as important to GW2 as it is to any P2P MMO. 

Even SP games like Skyrim or Diablo benefit from retention.  If a game has longevity, people will be talking about it for a lot longer, it will still feel current, and it will keep selling boxes.  When most of the playerbase moves on, the game ends up in the bargain bins.

Its more digital these days, but you know, metaphorically speaking..

Originally posted by mxbx
The fact is, this is just another in a long line of flops that's failing to live up to the hype.  Does anyone seriously deny that ArenaNet is spiking their sales numbers?  And let's not forget: it failed as F2P right out of the gate, where ToR and many other games managed to run P2P for at least a few months.  How can the ArenaNet fanbois call ToR a failure and GW2 a success when ToR managed to hold subs for months? 

Well first I think you need to learn what a Fact is and what a flop means.

GW2 is anything but a flop, servers are still full or close to it.  WvW still has queues on most servers.  Each dungeon has many people waiting for groups or building groups.  World DEs are still full of people.  

How do you even justify your opinion its a flop when it has show no signs of losing tons of players.  TOR lost tons of players and had to go F2P to stay alive.  GW2 is B2P and never has been F2P or sub based.  My server seems to be gaining players not losign them.

Got any proof that GW2 is not holding players?  (Burden of Proof is on you)

My in game experience says there are a ton of players still.