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  Lissyl

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Joined: 4/12/12
Posts: 232

If cosmetics aren't content, why don't people demand a cheaper game done in full grayscale?

9/29/12 4:03:23 PM#21

CRZ's aren't perfect yet...there's no way they could be, as adequate testing for the live environment just wouldn't be feasible on the test servers alone I don't think.  However, many of the problems are slowly vanishing (not all, not yet) as the kinks are worked out.  CRZ is nothing more than the second step in a multi-tiered approach to altering how game servers work in a fundamental way, in my opinion.  The first step was phasing.  Cross-Realm AH's will follow, and one might consider the Cross-Realm Battlegroups to have even been the first step (although I think that's pushing it).  Like any new technology, it will require time to perfect.  When phasing first hit it was a nightmare; now it's generally very smooth, and transitions don't even require you to leave the area.  There was the 'disappearing node' problem -really- bad early in Cata with phasing, but now I haven't seen a node dephase since I've been back and have only had a couple dezone from CRZ's (usually ones right at a national/zone border, like Wetlands --> Twilight HIghlands).  Even then, you only know about it not because you can see the node, but because you can see it's marker on your minimap.

I know it's still a bit rough OP, but you don't throw out an incredibly useful technology because it has a few bugs in it, even when those bugs are highly annoying.  CRZ's have the potential to put the massive in the world in a way we've never dreamed of, and this would perforce lead to bigger, more extravagant worlds and other changes, like GW's node-sharing for instance.  The potential is amazing, but we have to help it along.  Don't let a few smallish (in the long run) things turn you away; besides, there are no CRZ's in Pandaria proper yet.  You'll love it!  Nodes EVERYWHERE!  I got 290 ore just questing 1/3rd of a zone yesterday!

  Kuinn

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9/29/12 4:41:22 PM#22
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by Aviggin

What in the hell is wrong with people? So many zones were completely dead and lifeless, and now withthe CRZ I am seeing people all over the place. I even made a friend with someone from another realm while just randomly out grouping, added him as a friend, and now we can pretty much play the game together at any time even being from separate realms.

In essence, this brings groups of servers together so they're like one massive server. How is this a BAD thing? Why is this even an ISSUE!?

If you're so anti-social that you prefer to play the game without running into many people, then go play a single player game and leave the MMO genre to the people that actually enjoy multiplayer.

Thanks.

 

Didn't you READ the multiple terrible bugs that come with CRZs, at least right now until and IF they're fixed?  Did you read the OP at all?  There's another link in this thread that will also detail some of the issues and the responses beneath it are even MORE eye-opening.

I am just goign to tell you what GW2 fans love to tell others.

Every new MMO, expansion, content etc etc has bugs. Give it some time i am sure they will fix it.

Right?

 

You really do hate them dont you? :D

 

I think more important here is, that WoW had perfectly fine seamless open world that worked like a dream, and then they butchered it simply to dodge the embarassing process of server merging. With this another community scattering "feature" they now can have servers up and running even if they only have a handful of people in them, no mergers, no doomsayers!

 

This is another feature added just to keep business side of things going strong, meh. It's funny to even think they say "CRZ is there so low pop areas have more people to play with" when the whole leveling experience to max level is designed as a SOLO trek. How about "CRZ is there to spice up world PvP" when there's no world PvP objectives or rewards after 8 years other than feeling good about chain one shotting lowbies from other realms on your max char? Obvious lies is a good way to insult your customers.

  Nadia

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Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 11430

9/29/12 4:53:29 PM#23
Originally posted by Kuinn

WoW had perfectly fine seamless open world that worked like a dream, and then they butchered it simply to dodge the embarassing process of server merging. With this another community scattering "feature" they now can have servers up and running even if they only have a handful of people in them, no mergers, no doomsayers!

This is another feature added just to keep business side of things going strong, meh. It's funny to even think they say "CRZ is there so low pop areas have more people to play with" when the whole leveling experience to max level is designed as a SOLO trek. How about "CRZ is there to spice up world PvP" when there's no world PvP objectives or rewards after 8 years other than feeling good about chain one shotting lowbies from other realms on your max char? Obvious lies is a good way to insult your customers.

i agree 

for PVE -- anyone who says CRZ is helpful for quests is overlooking changes made last year  (patch 4.3)  which nerfed almost all outdoor group quests under level 80 as solo now

 

heres two good quotes from battlenet thread

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6521292325?page=546

I'm trying to level my baby Shaman (only level 8). I'm in Goldshire, and it's a packed. I picked up the quests and headed to Fargodeep Mines. There are 15 people there from all different servers on the same quest. Everyone is competing to kill the Kobolds, and the mines are empty. Yeah..."I no take candle" is right.

I'm irritated at the people from the other servers even though it's not their fault. We're all trying to tag the same mobs as they spawn way too slow for the amount of people doing the quest.

My goal is to get to level 10 so I can do bgs until level 15. Then I can park my butt in Stormwind and sit in LFD.

- Blizzard's goal of getting people out into the world failed.
- Bilzzard's goal of making zones more populated worked a little too well (resulting in a fail)
- And there is NO socializing going on in the zones because everyone is annoyed, and they just want to complete their freakin' quests and move on.

----------------------------------------------------

I just started feeling the effects of CRZ on Wrymrest Accord, while leveling a Druid in Northrend, and further into the Cataclysm zones.

Here's my beef with it:

1) Group quests. The only group quests left in the game now are the ones in Icecrown, Ring of Blood in Nagrand, Ampitheatre of Anguish in Zul'Drak and the Crucible of Carnage in the Twilight Highlands. If there are so few group quests, why do I need to see people from other servers? Especially when WRA is a high population RP server, and it is linked with every other PvE RP server. And yes, I have seen people from every PvE RP server since I set foot off the boat in Borean Tundra.

2) I quest so I don't have to deal with other people. I prefer questing, this is one reason why. If I wanted to deal with other people while leveling, I would sit my !@# in a city, trolling trade while waiting for my dungeon queue to pop, just so I can deal with 4 other people, I do not know, where most of the time they are complaining that the tank or healer suck, that someone keeps pulling, or they're spamming recount in a level 25 dungeon.

3) Farming to level my profession. I like to level my profession while I level my character, it gives me more to do. Now I have to deal with every other person on every other RP server that is also farming. Again, WRA is a high pop server, I don't need to see Sisters of Elune, Moon Guard, Silver Hand etc, etc. I'm okay with seeing people just from my realm.

 

  kitarad

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 1253

9/29/12 5:00:05 PM#24
That sounds like a nightmare ,I would be very upset if I cannot level up because the mobs are not spawning fast enough. Bad decision or else not one for launch but more suitable for when the servers are more empty.

  Lissyl

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/12/12
Posts: 232

If cosmetics aren't content, why don't people demand a cheaper game done in full grayscale?

9/29/12 5:44:49 PM#25
Originally posted by kitarad
That sounds like a nightmare ,I would be very upset if I cannot level up because the mobs are not spawning fast enough. Bad decision or else not one for launch but more suitable for when the servers are more empty.

More because of launch than anything.  It was the same way when Death Knights were released, and CRZ's didn't exist back then.  The only difference is that some small number of servers -- those with the lowest populations -- were spared the nightmare.  Outlands was horrific at the time; groups of 4 Death Knights and a healer were not just common, they were the -norm-.  Much as it is now with the new Pandaren and Monks.   Having both a new race -and- class is almost a double-whammy.  In a couple weeks it will all be back to normal again from the levelling rush though.  My baby Pandaren is waiting for that time now while I level my other characters.

  origen32

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Joined: 9/29/12
Posts: 4

9/29/12 6:05:30 PM#26
I quit wow when the 2nd patch of cata hit and we had to do 5 dailies a day for a month to open up the new zone, that was seriously the absolute dumbest thing ive ever seen in a game, havent looked back since, what a bunch of a$$#0(&$, making us do that for a month, I still cant get over how stupid that was, back to guild wars 2, i just wanted to see what the community thought of mop. You know what made wow so great, it blew the competition away in graphics, gameplay and fun, back then it was runescape, eq, gw1, and a few others, all of them had horrible graphics and wow was an amazing adventure, then in  time they just never improved it, they took tons of money and in return did barely anything with it, those expansions didnt cost the hundreds of millions of dollars they made off us, not even close, ....bunch of  d!@^wads they turned into.
  Nadia

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Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 11430

9/29/12 6:16:36 PM#27
Originally posted by Lissyl
Originally posted by kitarad
That sounds like a nightmare ,I would be very upset if I cannot level up because the mobs are not spawning fast enough. Bad decision or else not one for launch but more suitable for when the servers are more empty.

More because of launch than anything.  It was the same way when Death Knights were released, and CRZ's didn't exist back then.  

i agree launch doesnt help

but the 2 comments i posted were from last week - before MOP launched

 

CRZ has been live for the last month  (Aug 28)

  Lissyl

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/12/12
Posts: 232

If cosmetics aren't content, why don't people demand a cheaper game done in full grayscale?

9/29/12 6:19:28 PM#28
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Lissyl
Originally posted by kitarad
That sounds like a nightmare ,I would be very upset if I cannot level up because the mobs are not spawning fast enough. Bad decision or else not one for launch but more suitable for when the servers are more empty.

More because of launch than anything.  It was the same way when Death Knights were released, and CRZ's didn't exist back then.  

i agree launch doesnt help

but the 2 comments i posted were from last week - before MOP launched

 

CRZ has been live for the last month  (Aug 28)

My apologies Nadia.  I'm still not quite used to topics this old reappearing (I typically use fast-moving forums), so I assumed it was recent.  I'll pay more attention to dates moving forward. =)

  Lille7

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Joined: 12/08/08
Posts: 303

9/29/12 6:41:30 PM#29
Originally posted by Nadia
 

i agree 

for PVE -- anyone who says CRZ is helpful for quests is overlooking changes made last year  (patch 4.3)  which nerfed almost all outdoor group quests under level 80 as solo now

 

heres two good quotes from battlenet thread

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6521292325?page=546

I'm trying to level my baby Shaman (only level 8). I'm in Goldshire, and it's a packed. I picked up the quests and headed to Fargodeep Mines. There are 15 people there from all different servers on the same quest. Everyone is competing to kill the Kobolds, and the mines are empty. Yeah..."I no take candle" is right.

I'm irritated at the people from the other servers even though it's not their fault. We're all trying to tag the same mobs as they spawn way too slow for the amount of people doing the quest.

My goal is to get to level 10 so I can do bgs until level 15. Then I can park my butt in Stormwind and sit in LFD.

- Blizzard's goal of getting people out into the world failed.
- Bilzzard's goal of making zones more populated worked a little too well (resulting in a fail)
- And there is NO socializing going on in the zones because everyone is annoyed, and they just want to complete their freakin' quests and move on.

----------------------------------------------------

I just started feeling the effects of CRZ on Wrymrest Accord, while leveling a Druid in Northrend, and further into the Cataclysm zones.

Here's my beef with it:

1) Group quests. The only group quests left in the game now are the ones in Icecrown, Ring of Blood in Nagrand, Ampitheatre of Anguish in Zul'Drak and the Crucible of Carnage in the Twilight Highlands. If there are so few group quests, why do I need to see people from other servers? Especially when WRA is a high population RP server, and it is linked with every other PvE RP server. And yes, I have seen people from every PvE RP server since I set foot off the boat in Borean Tundra.

2) I quest so I don't have to deal with other people. I prefer questing, this is one reason why. If I wanted to deal with other people while leveling, I would sit my !@# in a city, trolling trade while waiting for my dungeon queue to pop, just so I can deal with 4 other people, I do not know, where most of the time they are complaining that the tank or healer suck, that someone keeps pulling, or they're spamming recount in a level 25 dungeon.

3) Farming to level my profession. I like to level my profession while I level my character, it gives me more to do. Now I have to deal with every other person on every other RP server that is also farming. Again, WRA is a high pop server, I don't need to see Sisters of Elune, Moon Guard, Silver Hand etc, etc. I'm okay with seeing people just from my realm.

 

Some of those problems would be lessened if people actually grouped up. Instead of 15 players competing for the same kills, you can have 3 groups. Doesn't really help much with collect quests though.

But again, getting WoW players to group up is alot harder then it is to get them to complain :P

  VengeSunsoar

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9/29/12 6:49:53 PM#30

1.  There aren't a lot of bugs, certainly no gamebreaking ones.

2.  CRZ only affect you if you are on a pvp server.  Now let me get this straight. Are people actually complaining that they are being ganked or having to pvp people when they CHOOSE to go on a pvp server.

People are stupid

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  stratasaurus

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Joined: 12/18/11
Posts: 222

9/29/12 6:59:40 PM#31
Honestly I don't think X-realm zones has that big of an impact on the game and has been blown into a much bigger thing then it is.
  User Deleted
9/29/12 7:09:37 PM#32
Originally posted by krakra70
Why would a feature that turned WoW to an MMO again hurt it? The only people who cry are the antisocials who want it to be a single player game. 

Not quite.  I want to play an MMO, but I don't want to play in a game where I'm fighting inch by inch for resource nodes and quest objectives all day, every day.  More players are fine, if the world supports it.  WoW does not currently have a big enough world design to support that many people in literally every zone.

  VengeSunsoar

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9/29/12 7:11:14 PM#33

It isn't a big deal at all.  I'm an an rppvp realm.  I've been ganked (on all 5 of my characters ranging from 10-70) exactly 3 times in the last two weeks.

2 of them by the same person just a few minutes apart.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  User Deleted
9/29/12 7:12:03 PM#34
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

1.  There aren't a lot of bugs, certainly no gamebreaking ones.

2.  CRZ only affect you if you are on a pvp server.  Now let me get this straight. Are people actually complaining that they are being ganked or having to pvp people when they CHOOSE to go on a pvp server.

People are stupid

 

Interestingly, most of the complaints I've read (mainly from official forums) are not about PvP servers, but about the difficultly of getting PvE content, like resource nodes, quest mobs, rare mobs, hunter pets, etc..

It's also messed up a lot of local server economies for underpopulated servers, due to making things like resource nodes that much harder to get.

  krakra70

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9/29/12 7:21:26 PM#35
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by krakra70
Why would a feature that turned WoW to an MMO again hurt it? The only people who cry are the antisocials who want it to be a single player game. 

Not quite.  I want to play an MMO, but I don't want to play in a game where I'm fighting inch by inch for resource nodes and quest objectives all day, every day.  More players are fine, if the world supports it.  WoW does not currently have a big enough world design to support that many people in literally every zone.

I play on the biggest euro server and we usually get merged with other huge euro servers at low level zones. Yesterday I was questing in westfall and there were always about 10+ people running around each quest npc. The respawns were so fast I fought for about 5% of the mobs I killed or nodes I gathered. On the other hand I managed to get help to kill an elite that was owning me solo with help from a lock from another server. And finally the game felt alive again, this is a MUCH better solution than server merges because it automatically adjusts to population increases and decreases.

  VengeSunsoar

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9/29/12 7:22:32 PM#36
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

1.  There aren't a lot of bugs, certainly no gamebreaking ones.

2.  CRZ only affect you if you are on a pvp server.  Now let me get this straight. Are people actually complaining that they are being ganked or having to pvp people when they CHOOSE to go on a pvp server.

People are stupid

 

Interestingly, most of the complaints I've read (mainly from official forums) are not about PvP servers, but about the difficultly of getting PvE content, like resource nodes, quest mobs, rare mobs, hunter pets, etc..

It's also messed up a lot of local server economies for underpopulated servers, due to making things like resource nodes that much harder to get.

Hmm yes I guess that could be possible on pve servers.  More people mean more resource node competition.  But again on my 5 characters it hasn't been a problem so far anyway.

I'm not going to say that isn't happening but as someone above said, I think it is a few people blowing everything out of proportion.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Purutzil

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9/29/12 7:46:54 PM#37

I honestly disagree. The cross Realm zones I have a feeling might have a small impact, but I just completely doubt it being the big reason for hurting sales. Theres to many other grey areas hurting WoW and Cross Realm zones isn't one of them. I'd be completely amazed if 1/10th of the people not playing are doing so due to this, I expect % wise its quite low.

 

Now if anything, I can see it hurting subscribers as people get griefed a lot more and over-all making this very toxic in play.

  Ghavrigg

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9/29/12 11:37:41 PM#38
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by Aviggin

What in the hell is wrong with people? So many zones were completely dead and lifeless, and now withthe CRZ I am seeing people all over the place. I even made a friend with someone from another realm while just randomly out grouping, added him as a friend, and now we can pretty much play the game together at any time even being from separate realms.

In essence, this brings groups of servers together so they're like one massive server. How is this a BAD thing? Why is this even an ISSUE!?

If you're so anti-social that you prefer to play the game without running into many people, then go play a single player game and leave the MMO genre to the people that actually enjoy multiplayer.

Thanks.

 

Didn't you READ the multiple terrible bugs that come with CRZs, at least right now until and IF they're fixed?  Did you read the OP at all?  There's another link in this thread that will also detail some of the issues and the responses beneath it are even MORE eye-opening.

I'm sorry you're having some issues. The only issues I've had are when it was 10 minutes until server shut down for maintenance, it was saying the CRZ was unavailable so I couldn't switch servers, and nothing was loading. Other than that, I have had zero issues whatsoever (unless if course you're nitpicking about the time changing).

I've also heard of something where people grouping with others from PvP servers end up on PvP servers, but that doesn't apply to me, as far as I know.

CRZ seems perfectly fine to me, and I've yet to experience any meaningful problems from it. Either way, they'll perfect it in time. It's a great idea, and I'm glad it was implemented.

 

  Ausare

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9/30/12 1:06:15 AM#39
Have not had one problem. Be nice seeing more people out in the open world.
  Aori

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9/30/12 1:23:07 AM#40

There is only 2 times when i've had some.. glitches as people call them.  Those glitches were funny and in my benefit, group of horde trying to make me their bitch phased out when they got my pants down. This happened twice and I lol'd both times.

Other than that i've been having fun with the CRZ. Alot of new players and new blood. More wpvp with a bit of ganking but nothing unusual for a pvp server. Hell if I had to, i could have one of my pansy friends bring me over to their pve server.

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