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  Aeolron

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Everyones a mmo vet these days :P

10/02/12 2:37:14 AM#121
Originally posted by expresso
Originally posted by Mothanos

 


Originally posted by expresso

Originally posted by Mothanos Thing is many more people would have bought MoP if they dint go to an 8 year old style. I still hear people in my guild saying it a joke and panda's aint comming they are fooling us again like in April !! :) Now they are at a point of no return, they choose that turn without listening to their playerbase. Arrogance is bliss. Without panda's it would have sold more.. Without panda's they could have let me return, and my guildies.. Without panda's they dint split up their playerbase in half of who like and dislike panda's. Without panda's it woulnt have gotten the name kiddy pokemon and pandalands. Over time MoP might sell a little better, but many people turned away from WoW when they announced Mist of Pandaria. Dont get me wrong, my wife LOVES it :) !!! But i cannot buy MoP and hear that awfull sound of kung fu panda's Or spend another 300 euro to move to Outland with 6 hours queue where most of the EU playerbase moved to from their ghostown's If this expansion fails, they cannot blame it on age, they may blame their Ghostcrawler who said we need panda's ingame.
For me anyone who does not buy MOP cus of panda's are missing out, the leveling experience (just dinged 87) is the best it has ever been, sure it's more on rails than it's ever been but so far it's been a joy to level, cannot speak for end game or this dailey grind I have been hearing about but I feel if millions did not come back for MOP cus of pandas then they've missed out.  You do have to get Blizz humor to appreciate it but it's hella fun for sure. 10/10 for the leveling experience.  This expac might go down as the best expac you've never played.

 


Ive leveld since 2004 brother :)
And i realy disliked panda;s the moment they announced it ;)

You remember the forums and the playerbase who splitted in half ?
Seemed 50% like it and 50% hated it.

My guild who had a healty 300 man size where losing members from 2011 Q1 to 2011 Q3, last time i loged in we had 8 people online...

The sounds of panda's and their animations are not my style at all, without panda's i would have bought it 1000%
Blizzard made that decision of not buying their product realy easy.

Well you cannot please all of the people all of the time, most dejectors of the pandas were simply jumping on the band wagon as it was the cool thing to do, acting like they were too mature for panda's yet showing the exact opposite in there actions and posts.

My guild (stormscale) did the opposite, I stopped playing wow in January when I was done with the content and came back for MOP by Guild that struggled to run two 10 man raids in Cata now have a dedicated 25m group a dedicated 10man and 10man B team.

If blizzard at some point in the future allow you to try out MOP for free then please swallow your bitterness and give it a try... it might just surprise you.

 He's not being bitter at all , he is stating his opinion of what he thinks of MOP, and he's not the only one considering that afew older games have seen a spike in population recently, when asked which game they came from, about 80% of them told me WoW because of how the content was made in the first place.

Not everyone wants a easy experience in leveling , hell anyone could level to cap in WoW , and I think it's funny seeing the age rating being at 12+ just made me LOL pretty hard, my opinion is the reason why the game isn't selling well is they are catering to little kids now and to be honest , raiding in WoW is actualy very very easy compared to other games, maybe more and more people want a challenge and not given everything to them on a silver platter!

 

  Mothanos

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Joined: 10/20/10
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10/02/12 2:44:24 AM#122

Iam not bitter :) !!!
Iam disaponted in Blizzard for many reasons ;)


But who woulnt be ?

I came from EQ to WoW in 2004 made it to rank 13 and never stopped playing, maybe a few breaks here and there.

What bothers me is the greed blizzard is showing.

No free transfers out of death servers
No tittle or mount or pet for veteran players
No discount for people sticking with their game for almost a decade.

And now MoP...

People warned Blizzard the moment they where discussing panda's in real ife i thin kthey are cute man i realy do :)
But putting themn ingame is a totaly diffrent story !!!
Its hard to stop laughing with 20 of these kung fu style bears around you making funny sounds -_-

It ruins any sense of adult playingstyle.
And thats my major bottleneck there, my expirience is not fun with these sounds around me :)


And yes maybe i was a addict ? but who aint these days with all these epic games ? :)

Quited WoW in May or Aprill and never looked back.

So did many of my friends and on Vent we still see a few officers but thats it, our 300 member guild is death and burried within 6 months time.

  Aeolron

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Joined: 3/24/11
Posts: 664

Everyones a mmo vet these days :P

10/02/12 2:44:34 AM#123
Originally posted by syntax42
Originally posted by Mothanos

 

I have 10 characters and all profesions on max, so when i server change i need them all.
thats 10x20 euro - 200 euro for me alone then i have my wife with all profs on max.
that would be 400 euro...
Retarded prices if you ask me, no discount for old players from 2004

 

 

 

 

Basically, you are complaining because you are addicted to the game.  Take a break from WoW.  Take a break from all MMOs. Play like a normal person when you come back and make only one character.  It isn't Blizzard's fault that you feel the need to move ten characters around to different servers so often.

 

Also, your complaints don't seem to be relevant to the original discussion topic of this thread.

 

I hope that this thread has been debunked as useless information.  The cited news article does not account for digital sales, which makes the numbers completely worthless.  I'm no fan of WoW, but I was genuinely curious if this expansion had failed already.  It looks like we have to wait for more solid numbers from Blizzard.

 Considering he is upset with the way Blizzard treats their customers I agree with him, and then you attack him because he plays to much? What are you spying on him or something? It took a friend of mine in cata to reach cap on 4 toons a month, just a easy ass mmorpg thats becoming a joke because we have these fanbois who are so intoxicated in this game that they think blizzard is the best! HA , a company that has 8 million players and they have a cash shop, charge you for transfers , even though games like Rift make it free, charging people for stupid things and charging a $15.00 fee per month.

Maybe you need to take a break from WoW , and maybe all the other mmos. I just find it funny that people will complain about companies like EA Games , SOE , NC Soft and afew others because they charge a monthly fee ( Or used too ) and leave Blizzard out of the fray, considering that Blizzard is the one that milks their customer base the worst.

Hows that for off topic?

  syntax42

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Posts: 1139

10/02/12 2:48:36 AM#124
Originally posted by Mothanos

 

Its hard to stop laughing with 20 of these kung fu style bears around you making funny sounds -_-

It ruins any sense of adult playingstyle.

Quited WoW in May or Aprill and never looked back.

 

Wait... are you playing or not?  You are laughing at pandas around you in the game, but you claim to have quit.  If you have a subscription, you obviously never quit.

 

If the game ruins your sense of adult playing style, then it is time to move on.  The game isn't for you.  Stop complaining about it on a thread that was created for discussing the sales numbers of the expansion.

  Mothanos

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10/02/12 2:50:42 AM#125

My wife had a beta invite for MoP, i quited in aprill / may or something and waited for GW2 and played Rift / TSW / WoT to pass the time.

No i dint bought MoP not played it on live.

There are many leveling guides you can buy for a few euro's it takes 2 weeks to level to max on a easy pace.
Proffesions at max are easy to do also, within 2 days you can max 1 profession out, take into account me and my wife played WoW since launch thats 8 years back ;)

Also leveling in WoW is made so easy compared to farming out remaining exp in Vanilla.
You had to grind every level as you where running out of quest real fast in each qquest hub, take into account you dint get exp in pvp back then also ;)
AV weekend brings you from 70 to 85 in less then half a day if your lucky with wins.

Leveling with BoA's made sure you can level like a rocket these days and most my chars i made way back in time and only needed a few levels with each expansion.

It aint Aion we are talking about ;)

  syntax42

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Joined: 3/30/07
Posts: 1139

10/02/12 2:52:08 AM#126
Originally posted by Aeolron
Originally posted by syntax42
Originally posted by Mothanos

 

I have 10 characters and all profesions on max, so when i server change i need them all.
thats 10x20 euro - 200 euro for me alone then i have my wife with all profs on max.
that would be 400 euro...
Retarded prices if you ask me, no discount for old players from 2004

 

 

 

 

Basically, you are complaining because you are addicted to the game.  Take a break from WoW.  Take a break from all MMOs. Play like a normal person when you come back and make only one character.  It isn't Blizzard's fault that you feel the need to move ten characters around to different servers so often.

 

Also, your complaints don't seem to be relevant to the original discussion topic of this thread.

 

I hope that this thread has been debunked as useless information.  The cited news article does not account for digital sales, which makes the numbers completely worthless.  I'm no fan of WoW, but I was genuinely curious if this expansion had failed already.  It looks like we have to wait for more solid numbers from Blizzard.

 

It took a friend of mine in cata to reach cap on 4 toons a month, just a easy ass mmorpg thats becoming a joke because we have these fanbois who are so intoxicated in this game that they think blizzard is the best! 

 

If it is that easy to level, then Mothanos has no reason to complain.  Instead of paying for transfers, making new characters must be the way to go.

 

I don't play WoW, so I wouldn't know.  I was genuinely interested in the original topic of this thread, but I see it isn't going to be discussed further.

  ste2000

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Joined: 2/28/04
Posts: 4734

10/02/12 2:57:37 AM#127

Good

Blizzard wanted to focus on the Asian market, so they get what they deserve.

Westeners do not like cuddly or cute characters in their games, that is a fact.

If instead of Pandas we had Nagas, maybe I would have bought MOP, even though I am pretty happy with GW2 so far.

  Mothanos

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Joined: 10/20/10
Posts: 1849

10/02/12 2:57:50 AM#128

Ah yes i could do that, but dont you get attached to your characters ? your Avatars ?
If you create a characters and play hours and invests hours in that you get attached to it, not to mention the memory's with some characters :)

Any mmo player knows and feels this right :) ?

  Aeolron

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Everyones a mmo vet these days :P

10/02/12 3:01:42 AM#129
Originally posted by syntax42
Originally posted by Aeolron
Originally posted by syntax42
Originally posted by Mothanos

 

I have 10 characters and all profesions on max, so when i server change i need them all.
thats 10x20 euro - 200 euro for me alone then i have my wife with all profs on max.
that would be 400 euro...
Retarded prices if you ask me, no discount for old players from 2004

 

 

 

 

Basically, you are complaining because you are addicted to the game.  Take a break from WoW.  Take a break from all MMOs. Play like a normal person when you come back and make only one character.  It isn't Blizzard's fault that you feel the need to move ten characters around to different servers so often.

 

Also, your complaints don't seem to be relevant to the original discussion topic of this thread.

 

I hope that this thread has been debunked as useless information.  The cited news article does not account for digital sales, which makes the numbers completely worthless.  I'm no fan of WoW, but I was genuinely curious if this expansion had failed already.  It looks like we have to wait for more solid numbers from Blizzard.

 

It took a friend of mine in cata to reach cap on 4 toons a month, just a easy ass mmorpg thats becoming a joke because we have these fanbois who are so intoxicated in this game that they think blizzard is the best! 

 

If it is that easy to level, then Mothanos has no reason to complain.  Instead of paying for transfers, making new characters must be the way to go.

 

I don't play WoW, so I wouldn't know.  I was genuinely interested in the original topic of this thread, but I see it isn't going to be discussed further.

 Even if it's on digital sales or retail outlets , lets be honest here, in the past even when Cata was out, you were hard pressed to find a copy ANYHERE you went , basicly had to wait a week! Now since MOP was released, I have walked into afew places big box stores , and what do I see? Tons and Tons of copies of MOP including a boat load of CE, back when that was unheard of, and if you can't see that as a issue then I don't know what will.

disregarding digital sales at the moment , because we have no numbers or facts or that so all we can do is speculate, but taking from what these retailers say and what their stocks produce I would say yes , the game Is'nt selling well at all.

Also , it's alittle harder to level up in Rift then in WoW I know because I played both games from both betas onward , and I also played games with extreme leveling difficulty , Example , EverQuest, and to Mathonas , he's right , that is stupid exspensive to pay for a transfer of 10 characters and honestly is a highway robbery. Don't mind these guys too much , you just hit the nail on the head!

  User Deleted
10/02/12 3:48:43 AM#130
Originally posted by Mothanoss around you making funny sounds -_-

It ruins any sense of adult playingstyle.
And thats my major bottleneck there, my expirience is not fun with these sounds around me :)

The gnomes, the blood elves, the dancing cat forms/ghost wolves/bears, etc. didn't tip you off as to what to expect from WoW? That didn't bother you?

Rhetorical.

 

Of course it did, I remember teenages crying about how ridicoulous and childish gnome warriors are, how stupid and immature "furries" are (tauren, worgen), etc.

  SlickShoes

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10/02/12 3:55:58 AM#131
Originally posted by Mothanos

My wife had a beta invite for MoP, i quited in aprill / may or something and waited for GW2 and played Rift / TSW / WoT to pass the time.

No i dint bought MoP not played it on live.

There are many leveling guides you can buy for a few euro's it takes 2 weeks to level to max on a easy pace.
Proffesions at max are easy to do also, within 2 days you can max 1 profession out, take into account me and my wife played WoW since launch thats 8 years back ;)

Also leveling in WoW is made so easy compared to farming out remaining exp in Vanilla.
You had to grind every level as you where running out of quest real fast in each qquest hub, take into account you dint get exp in pvp back then also ;)
AV weekend brings you from 70 to 85 in less then half a day if your lucky with wins.

Leveling with BoA's made sure you can level like a rocket these days and most my chars i made way back in time and only needed a few levels with each expansion.

It aint Aion we are talking about ;)

If it's so easy to level then why bother transferring your characters at a cost of £200 a time? if it is as easy as you say it is then just make new characters on the realm you want to move to.

  Loke666

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10/02/12 3:57:02 AM#132
Originally posted by Mothanos

Iam not bitter :) !!!
Iam disaponted in Blizzard for many reasons ;)


But who woulnt be ?

I came from EQ to WoW in 2004 made it to rank 13 and never stopped playing, maybe a few breaks here and there.

What bothers me is the greed blizzard is showing.

No free transfers out of death servers
No tittle or mount or pet for veteran players
No discount for people sticking with their game for almost a decade.

And now MoP...

People warned Blizzard the moment they where discussing panda's in real ife i thin kthey are cute man i realy do :)
But putting themn ingame is a totaly diffrent story !!!
Its hard to stop laughing with 20 of these kung fu style bears around you making funny sounds -_-

It ruins any sense of adult playingstyle.
And thats my major bottleneck there, my expirience is not fun with these sounds around me :)


And yes maybe i was a addict ? but who aint these days with all these epic games ? :)

Quited WoW in May or Aprill and never looked back.

So did many of my friends and on Vent we still see a few officers but thats it, our 300 member guild is death and burried within 6 months time.

Not that I am a panda fan or anything but if spacegoats didnt ruin the sense of "adult playingstyle" I dont see how panda do it.

The fact that they dont close down dead servers suck though, they put a lot of work into weird fixes like cross server dungeon PUGs and multiserver zones instead of doing the logical thing.

  SlickShoes

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10/02/12 4:00:45 AM#133
Originally posted by Aeolron
Originally posted by syntax42
Originally posted by Aeolron
Originally posted by syntax42
Originally posted by Mothanos

 

I have 10 characters and all profesions on max, so when i server change i need them all.
thats 10x20 euro - 200 euro for me alone then i have my wife with all profs on max.
that would be 400 euro...
Retarded prices if you ask me, no discount for old players from 2004

 

 

 

 

Basically, you are complaining because you are addicted to the game.  Take a break from WoW.  Take a break from all MMOs. Play like a normal person when you come back and make only one character.  It isn't Blizzard's fault that you feel the need to move ten characters around to different servers so often.

 

Also, your complaints don't seem to be relevant to the original discussion topic of this thread.

 

I hope that this thread has been debunked as useless information.  The cited news article does not account for digital sales, which makes the numbers completely worthless.  I'm no fan of WoW, but I was genuinely curious if this expansion had failed already.  It looks like we have to wait for more solid numbers from Blizzard.

 

It took a friend of mine in cata to reach cap on 4 toons a month, just a easy ass mmorpg thats becoming a joke because we have these fanbois who are so intoxicated in this game that they think blizzard is the best! 

 

If it is that easy to level, then Mothanos has no reason to complain.  Instead of paying for transfers, making new characters must be the way to go.

 

I don't play WoW, so I wouldn't know.  I was genuinely interested in the original topic of this thread, but I see it isn't going to be discussed further.

 Even if it's on digital sales or retail outlets , lets be honest here, in the past even when Cata was out, you were hard pressed to find a copy ANYHERE you went , basicly had to wait a week! Now since MOP was released, I have walked into afew places big box stores , and what do I see? Tons and Tons of copies of MOP including a boat load of CE, back when that was unheard of, and if you can't see that as a issue then I don't know what will.

disregarding digital sales at the moment , because we have no numbers or facts or that so all we can do is speculate, but taking from what these retailers say and what their stocks produce I would say yes , the game Is'nt selling well at all.

Also , it's alittle harder to level up in Rift then in WoW I know because I played both games from both betas onward , and I also played games with extreme leveling difficulty , Example , EverQuest, and to Mathonas , he's right , that is stupid exspensive to pay for a transfer of 10 characters and honestly is a highway robbery. Don't mind these guys too much , you just hit the nail on the head!

It depends where you are with regards to finding the expansions on shelves, the last two expansions cataclysm and WOTLK were all over the game store shelves here in Scotland at release and afterwords. Even when StarCraft 2 released I walked in to a normal store a week after release and bought the collectors edition for £50.

I was in a store yesterday and they did have lots of MoP game boxes out but I saw nothing different from the last two expansions, they had also sold out of collectors editions.

The whole argument is pointless until Blizzard release info anyway and even then if the numbers are decent people will still say they are lying.

WoW has lost about 2-3 million subs from it's total since WOTLK/Cata release so it would make sense that sales of this expansion should be lower than those previous.

  Loke666

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10/02/12 4:01:05 AM#134
Originally posted by SlickShoes

If it's so easy to level then why bother transferring your characters at a cost of £200 a time? if it is as easy as you say it is then just make new characters on the realm you want to move to.

Uhm, I can actually understand that. Dont you feel something for your characters? I actually like mine and just making new all the time takes that away.

I mean, come on? You have to agree that the sum is one of the worst overpriced thing in MMOs ever. In GW2 you can just do it for free, but since Wow dont have those mechanics and do it for hand a fee is fine, but it should be 5 bucks or so. Dont tell me it is so complicated that it takes a employee days to transfer a character and cost Blizzard loads of money.

  SlickShoes

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10/02/12 4:06:11 AM#135
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by SlickShoes

If it's so easy to level then why bother transferring your characters at a cost of £200 a time? if it is as easy as you say it is then just make new characters on the realm you want to move to.

Uhm, I can actually understand that. Dont you feel something for your characters? I actually like mine and just making new all the time takes that away.

I mean, come on? You have to agree that the sum is one of the worst overpriced thing in MMOs ever. In GW2 you can just do it for free, but since Wow dont have those mechanics and do it for hand a fee is fine, but it should be 5 bucks or so. Dont tell me it is so complicated that it takes a employee days to transfer a character and cost Blizzard loads of money.

Yes it is expensive, but people are paying it constantly which is why WoW will keep charging for it. They are making money from you being attached to your characters.

I can understand some attachment to a main character but the amount of hours I would have to put in to have 10 characters all at max level with max professions boggles my mind. Sure if the guy is on a totally dead server he should be able to move them all for free but if I was faced with pay £200 to move my characters or just start again I would probably choose neither and go find a new game to play.

I don't think £20 is too bad to pay in a one of scenario when you feel you have to move your server for some reason but if they make it free or cheap to just jump between servers then it leads to a different set of problems.

I thought Guild Wars would be charging for transfers? Currently it is free but as far as I was aware it would end up costing gems to transfer? ( i know you can earn them in game as well as buying in the cash shop )

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10/02/12 4:09:25 AM#136
What I find interesting is that Blizz is not boasting about how many boxes they have sold.  I mean Blizz loves to gloat,  but with MoP we get nada.

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  Loke666

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10/02/12 4:20:20 AM#137
Originally posted by SlickShoes

Yes it is expensive, but people are paying it constantly which is why WoW will keep charging for it. They are making money from you being attached to your characters.

I can understand some attachment to a main character but the amount of hours I would have to put in to have 10 characters all at max level with max professions boggles my mind. Sure if the guy is on a totally dead server he should be able to move them all for free but if I was faced with pay £200 to move my characters or just start again I would probably choose neither and go find a new game to play.

I don't think £20 is too bad to pay in a one of scenario when you feel you have to move your server for some reason but if they make it free or cheap to just jump between servers then it leads to a different set of problems.

I thought Guild Wars would be charging for transfers? Currently it is free but as far as I was aware it would end up costing gems to transfer? ( i know you can earn them in game as well as buying in the cash shop )

Yes and no. GW2 will let you play at other servers for PvE but nor for WvWvW but the system isnt up yet so right now you have a free transfer every day. So you could get stuck on a server for massive PvP there, but that is not as bad as getting stuck on one for good.

Of course if they would charge such a silly sum for transfering anyways I would be rwather loud and angry, and in GW2 you can pay stuff like this with ingame coinage.

I dont think a free character transfer every month and then charging a huge sum if you want to move more would make people jump around, now they are taking a huge sum and at the same time creating the need to move by not merging servers.

I smell Activision behind this.

  SlickShoes

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10/02/12 4:32:08 AM#138
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by SlickShoes

Yes it is expensive, but people are paying it constantly which is why WoW will keep charging for it. They are making money from you being attached to your characters.

I can understand some attachment to a main character but the amount of hours I would have to put in to have 10 characters all at max level with max professions boggles my mind. Sure if the guy is on a totally dead server he should be able to move them all for free but if I was faced with pay £200 to move my characters or just start again I would probably choose neither and go find a new game to play.

I don't think £20 is too bad to pay in a one of scenario when you feel you have to move your server for some reason but if they make it free or cheap to just jump between servers then it leads to a different set of problems.

I thought Guild Wars would be charging for transfers? Currently it is free but as far as I was aware it would end up costing gems to transfer? ( i know you can earn them in game as well as buying in the cash shop )

Yes and no. GW2 will let you play at other servers for PvE but nor for WvWvW but the system isnt up yet so right now you have a free transfer every day. So you could get stuck on a server for massive PvP there, but that is not as bad as getting stuck on one for good.

Of course if they would charge such a silly sum for transfering anyways I would be rwather loud and angry, and in GW2 you can pay stuff like this with ingame coinage.

I dont think a free character transfer every month and then charging a huge sum if you want to move more would make people jump around, now they are taking a huge sum and at the same time creating the need to move by not merging servers.

I smell Activision behind this.

It makes them money currently so they won't change it, they are probably rubbing there hands at people like this guy with 10 characters he feels tied to that will actually fork out the cash to move all of them to a new server.

The players should just not pay the money, personally I would pick one character and move it, I can earn that £20 back in an hour or so of work. 

Transfers being free currently in GW2 are not free forever they are there to fix something that is currently not working correctly so it's not really comparable to straight up payable transfer. I understand that you can pay with in game coin but to buy 1800 gems for the transfer would still cost a fair sum, still it's nice to have options.

I agree that the price of a transfer in WoW is very high it's really up to the players to NOT pay it and quit the game if they feel that way rather than continuing to subscribe to dead servers.

  IPolygon

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10/02/12 4:32:22 AM#139
I am still waiting for an official statement regarding sales. Don't believe others.
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10/02/12 5:04:06 AM#140
Originally posted by IPolygon
I am still waiting for an official statement regarding sales. Don't believe others.

somehow I don't see Activision/Blizzard admiting the sales of MoP really sucked. However you can bet your ass if they had sold  2 million or more it would been on the front page of every game site including this one long before now

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