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  Pratt2112

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10/01/12 7:14:54 AM#141
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by rmk70
Originally posted by Z3R01

If they made a pve server no one would be left playing on the pvp shards.

Same thing happened with UO. 

Believe it or not most people prefer to not get ganked while farming materials and skills.

This is true.

 

I don't care either way, but I would say a stronger PvE model would be easily achieved with DF. There's a large sandbox following that enjoy the world / social building aspects of sandbox PvE. I would expect a larger player base would be interested in a PvE server and/or expanded PvE aspects to a PvP server.

 

From a business perspective, it would make sense as they could use additional PvE player base to fund PvP + PvE functionality. 

Attempting to use "Business Perspective" on a MMO usually tends to result in a broken product. Real Life examples far too numerous to list here.

It is considered "OK" to "swap customers" in the retail business world.... if they changed Darkfall by adding a PvE only server that is what the Devs would be doing. it is NOT "OK" to change a MMO product and drive away many of it's Player customers just to get the bigger group of Player customers.

I don't even play Darkfall and I know it's the wrong thing to do. Why? Because I have respect for the Players that DO play Darkfall NOW.

Yeah, just ask SOE how selling out their existing playerbase in hopes of attracting a bigger one worked out for them.

That got real ugly real fast. And SOE actually had the funds to withstand the backlash. A small indie company like AV wouldn't.

 

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  Ambros123

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10/01/12 7:20:46 AM#142
It's like saying that in EVE one should have to consent to a PvP fight in null-sec and low-sec space.
  Gardavsshade

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10/01/12 7:25:17 AM#143
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by rmk70
Originally posted by Z3R01

If they made a pve server no one would be left playing on the pvp shards.

Same thing happened with UO. 

Believe it or not most people prefer to not get ganked while farming materials and skills.

This is true.

 

I don't care either way, but I would say a stronger PvE model would be easily achieved with DF. There's a large sandbox following that enjoy the world / social building aspects of sandbox PvE. I would expect a larger player base would be interested in a PvE server and/or expanded PvE aspects to a PvP server.

 

From a business perspective, it would make sense as they could use additional PvE player base to fund PvP + PvE functionality. 

Attempting to use "Business Perspective" on a MMO usually tends to result in a broken product. Real Life examples far too numerous to list here.

It is considered "OK" to "swap customers" in the retail business world.... if they changed Darkfall by adding a PvE only server that is what the Devs would be doing. it is NOT "OK" to change a MMO product and drive away many of it's Player customers just to get the bigger group of Player customers.

I don't even play Darkfall and I know it's the wrong thing to do. Why? Because I have respect for the Players that DO play Darkfall NOW.

Yeah, just ask SOE how selling out their existing playerbase in hopes of attracting a bigger one worked out for them.

That got real ugly real fast. And SOE actually had the funds to withstand the backlash. A small indie company like AV wouldn't.

 

To me it's not about whether the MMO Publisher does or doesn't have the funds to survive the backlash...

It's about whether it's right or wrong from the perspective of the Player's themselves.... who ultimately fund the MMO ironically.

When a MMO Publisher offers a MMO for sale.... they are not selling a product... they are BUYING the loyalties of Player customers. I get the impression most MMO Publishers lose sight of that little tid bit.


Nothing to see here... just another MMO Ghost....

  User Deleted
10/01/12 7:25:56 AM#144

Todays standards extreme hardcore PvE server with CRZ and dungeon finder tools in DF PvE server.

What kind of game could it be.

It will automatically throw players  to areas wheres someone PvEing and it forces you to group with them and PvE with them no matter what they do.

If somebody kills some monster,monster wont die ,you can kill it also(somehow,next Blizzards invention) ,like gathering in GW2.

hmm

If you to try attack other player you start phasing where you fight against clone of that player,mm too PvPish ,if someone gets attacked by NPC  then AI takes control and you must watch how your character heals and helps other player who is PvEing.

Some ways how to dumb down DF.

 

  Bossalinie

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Joined: 8/29/07
Posts: 623

10/01/12 7:29:02 AM#145

I don't care much about DF, but I hope they never cave into the MMOMob which floats its demands from game to game. For once in this era, an indie dev who is quite sucessful for what they are trying to do does not toss in its vision to seek the mass. They aren't selling out...not to big business nor to the angry homeless crowd.

Some of you are criticizing DF for  doing exact what you criticized the bigger devs of not doing... creating and playing a game to their desire.

 

  Pratt2112

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Posts: 1171

10/01/12 7:37:26 AM#146
Originally posted by snapfusion
 

Wrong again, having them adjust the game to accomodate half a million subs or more makes, perfect sense.  Stop acting like this is an fing mona lisa.  This is software code and software code is meant to be CHANGED.

What a ridiculous argument.

Sofware code is meant to be changed only to the effect of doing its intended job as efficiently and consistently as possible, by fixing bugs, optimizing code, etc. Once the code is doing what it's designed to on a satisfactory level, "to spec", then the idea is to not change it. Specific bits of code can remain unchanged for years so long as it's doing what it's intended to.

This is why there's "code freeze" in software development. This is what Beta testing is intended to represent - the software is feature complete, all assets are in place, and now it's being tested for bugs or other issues in order to get it to "gold" status.

The point of software code is to change it as little as possible, and only when absolutely necessary.

To say "AV should change DF:UW to be more PvE instead of PvP because code is meant to be changed" is a pretty damn weak argument.

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  lizardbones

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10/01/12 9:40:09 AM#147

One flaw I see in a lot of the arguments is the assumption that DF would automatically get more subscriptions if they had a PvE shard. It doesn't necessarily follow that DF would get more subscriptions. The thing is, if they did have a PvE shard, they would have to get enough new subscriptions that both the PvE and PvP shards would feel at least as populated as the PvP shards are now. If it didn't work, they would be killing the game.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Caldrin

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10/01/12 9:51:19 AM#148

PVE in Darkfall was never a strong point.. sure it has some of the best AI out there... they attack, run away, dodge ranged attacks, go get mates, range attack you, close into melee and usually a combination of them all.. but still the game was not designed around PVE and anyone playing the game just for PVE would probally find a very very empty world and get bored really fast..

 

The main thing about darkfall is that you would PVE but you where always on edge as you know any second you could get jumped by a real player and maybe loose everything you have looted.. its a rush and without that rush and the PVP that brings Darkfall would be a very boring world...

 

 

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  Mardukk

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10/01/12 9:52:22 AM#149
A PvE server doesnt make much sense as I thought the game was designed around you losing gear somewhat frequently. I would suggest a server which isnt full loot. Random items from your inventory and possibly including random equiped items.
  Topherpunch

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Joined: 9/08/12
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10/01/12 12:58:47 PM#150

I don't think you players understand it very much. A pure PvP game does work in its own way but when you have both you have a larger community and it creates more fun. You need to have PvE in all PvP games no matter what. If the game was all PvP than it would just be a FPS, which this game is not. It is supposed to simulate living in a harsh environment where the rules are be who you would like.

Think about how it was when the US became a country. There was plenty of places that allowed you to go and live but it was dangerous because there could be savages or bad people that would hurt you or take advantage of you. As you got closer to the larger communities there were laws and such. It all cannot be like the wild, you need to take a break somewhere. 

Personally I enjoy the game as a red player, but that does not mean I will shut out the PvE community. They provide me with so much more than just my kill death ratio. Don't think of it as taking over your world, think of it as adding in a governed town that you can manipulate and take advantage of.


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  ICEBLUE

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10/01/12 1:09:19 PM#151

I would love to see a PVE server.. Not sure why so many are addamently against it, since there would most likely be an option for players to move over to PVP if they wanted to.

Is it because the PVP community fears most will jump at the chance to go PVE is the option was open reducing the population on the PVP servers, or is ti because they need those noobs to hunt down to satsify something they get by doing so?

I enjoyed the world in DF1, liked to explore fight the PVE monsters etc, but got tired of bunny hoping gankers who preyed on the noobs, or those of us less thitchy fingured that would get killed over and over again.

I heard the "go play another game" rant but the real fact is, if there was a PVE server, more players would jump in and and many would eventually end up trying the PVP side as well, thus increasing the population which is the biggest issue currently and could quickly become the new big issue as yet again many wil try the game if stuck in PVP only, play a month or 2 and then leave.

My perosnal thoughts as a player of MMO's since way back with the Isle of Kesma on Compuserve ;)

 

 

 

 

  Renoaku

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Posts: 958

10/01/12 1:12:35 PM#152

Sure why not...

However they have to come over naked, and can't bring any items, or banks/storage etc.

Why? Because this would favor botters.

  User Deleted
10/01/12 1:20:16 PM#153
Originally posted by ICEBLUE

I would love to see a PVE server.. Not sure why so many are addamently against it, since there would most likely be an option for players to move over to PVP if they wanted to.

Is it because the PVP community fears most will jump at the chance to go PVE is the option was open reducing the population on the PVP servers, or is ti because they need those noobs to hunt down to satsify something they get by doing so?

Then it's because you clearly haven't read all the numerous cases laid out against adding one, in this very thread.

  Atlan99

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10/01/12 1:23:35 PM#154

I agree that their should be a PvE server.

I think this would strengthen AV and increase their income. I believe that they would be able to have several PvE servers. 

The community is 100% against it though. I made a post about it on the Darkfall forums and it was closed by a moderator

  lizardbones

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10/01/12 1:36:09 PM#155


Originally posted by Mardukk
A PvE server doesnt make much sense as I thought the game was designed around you losing gear somewhat frequently. I would suggest a server which isnt full loot. Random items from your inventory and possibly including random equiped items.


You could still have the loss of gear whenever you die, Minecraft style. If not enough people were dying, you could ramp up how hard the monsters hit, or even scale the monsters' power to the level of the players they are fighting.

Still not convinced that a PvE DF server is a good idea though.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Zecktorin

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10/01/12 2:49:52 PM#156
Why don't we let the hardcore pvpers have their hardcore pvp game......
  lizardbones

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10/01/12 3:02:35 PM#157


Originally posted by Atlan99
I agree that their should be a PvE server.

I think this would strengthen AV and increase their income. I believe that they would be able to have several PvE servers. 

The community is 100% against it though. I made a post about it on the Darkfall forums and it was closed by a moderator




If a mod closed a thread about having a PvE DF server, I would suspect it's Adventurine that's against having a PvE server as much as the players are against it.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Realbigdeal

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10/01/12 3:51:21 PM#158
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Atlan99
I agree that their should be a PvE server.

 

I think this would strengthen AV and increase their income. I believe that they would be able to have several PvE servers. 

The community is 100% against it though. I made a post about it on the Darkfall forums and it was closed by a moderator




If a mod closed a thread about having a PvE DF server, I would suspect it's Adventurine that's against having a PvE server as much as the players are against it.

 

No. The mods only delete threads when it attracts too much trolls and flamers. This thread probably had millions of that the moment it has been dropped. Its like a trapper thread you know, thats what the word troll stands for btw. You make a thread only to expect trolls and flammers to post.

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  Ragnarok_del

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10/01/12 6:05:51 PM#159
oh god please no, not that, never ever ever. I'd rather they shut down the game alltogether. A PvE server for Darkfall would ruin the game entirely. Newbs dont exist in darkfall anymore. It will probably not exist in Darkfall Unholy Wars either.
  Topherpunch

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10/01/12 6:12:18 PM#160
Originally posted by Realbigdeal
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Atlan99
I agree that their should be a PvE server.

 

I think this would strengthen AV and increase their income. I believe that they would be able to have several PvE servers. 

The community is 100% against it though. I made a post about it on the Darkfall forums and it was closed by a moderator




If a mod closed a thread about having a PvE DF server, I would suspect it's Adventurine that's against having a PvE server as much as the players are against it.

 

No. The mods only delete threads when it attracts too much trolls and flamers. This thread probably had millions of that the moment it has been dropped. Its like a trapper thread you know, thats what the word troll stands for btw. You make a thread only to expect trolls and flammers to post.

LOLOLOL millions? What game have you been playing sir? Maybe like 20 posts lol. Darkfall community is not even close to a million.


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