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  Sinaku

Novice Member

Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 410

9/28/12 12:41:57 AM#141


Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Worstluck I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?
It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

I feel as if this is over dramatized comment. I whitelisted you guys a long time ago but blocked ads again just to see this banner. Ouch, this hurts my eyes worse than any banner I've seen.

  GeezerGamer

Elite Member

Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4114

Remember the blisters you'd get in the palm of your hand from the corner of that joystick?

9/28/12 12:42:17 AM#142


Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Worstluck I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?
It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.
And a site like yours shirivels up and dies if it does not have a committed community. Its very much a two way street. Might want to think hard about that before throwing around these kinds of accusations.
You know if they don't do it they don't have a site.

Unless you'd like to make a donation instead bro.


If they don't do what? Advertise? Or call the community here a bunch of thieving pirates? Which one are you referring to? I think we all get that the site needs advertisers. But I'm pretty sure Tardcore was more or less responding to the part about us being called pirates by the site admins. Sorry, but I'm also taking offense to that one myself.

Recently started playing SWTOR. I am posting updates to my experience in this thread:
SWTOR Experience

  asmkm22

Elite Member

Joined: 11/29/06
Posts: 1622

9/28/12 12:43:46 AM#143
Originally posted by bingbongbros
Originally posted by Angier2758
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

And a site like yours shirivels up and dies if it does not have a committed community. Its very much a two way street.

Might want to think hard about that before throwing around these kinds of accusations.

You know if they don't do it they don't have a site.

Unless you'd like to make a donation instead bro.

 

(looks at the small flashy ads..omg the horror... seriously stop being douches and grow up.... 3 years on this site and never been hacked or lost account info...shut up security loop holes my arse)

lol how do i adblock your signature?

Funny thing is, I actually did adblock his sig, lol.

You make me like charity

  Foomerang

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/10/05
Posts: 4294

A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

9/28/12 12:47:32 AM#144

Ad Blocker stays. Couldnt care less about the news articles. They are usually a day late and offer no new insight. The opinion pieces are basically advertisements anyway. Forums are a good trash novel, guilty pleasure lol. There are some really cool posters here and I'll miss them if the forums close but life goes on.

Didnt read all the replies but fwiw, you can rt click the big red banner of doom and get rid of it permanently in the settings.

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  tomato_kwan

Novice Member

Joined: 1/30/08
Posts: 45

9/28/12 12:59:25 AM#145

Accusing me stealing and comparing me with pirates cause me to start using adblock.

Good PR job there, CEO.

 

(I even used to click on your ads once a while.)

 

Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

Originally posted by Spaceflower
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

This is stupid. There are a myriad of reasons one run a AdBlocker. Most already mentioned here. Sure you can whitelist sites, but calling your visitors thief's is plain stupid. I went from pro- mmorpg to anti-  in 1second. so. Good Bye! I ain't staying on a site that, was it the CEO?,  accuses me of theft. If you are so desperate, find other ways of maintaining the site. But never ever accuse your visitors of being thief's.

  EricDanie

Tipster

Joined: 2/10/05
Posts: 2244

9/28/12 1:16:14 AM#146

The ads here are really not bad, the layout seems fine to me. I haven't felt the need to use adblockers lately for any website I visit.

Anyway, you should really considering offering some kind of monetized ad-free experience, it gives people an option if they wish to continue adblocking but still want to support the website.

Just don't make it a P2W system with forum PvP gear or stats :)

I wish people in this forum would be sensible when posting the same way they feel hurt by the Admin's post, it would make these forums a far better place for discussions.

  saurus123

Elite Member

Joined: 4/12/06
Posts: 489

9/28/12 1:21:33 AM#147

no way im gonna remove addblocker

 

you better remove that stupid red bar

  Zezda

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/27/09
Posts: 697

9/28/12 1:26:36 AM#148

I might have contemplated whitelisting the site but the security of my PC comes first and then for you to more or less call us thieves and pirates pretty much sealed the deal. So now not only am I still running my adblock but I just blocked your banner as well.

Figure out some other way of making money from us.

  AlBQuirky

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 1/24/05
Posts: 2713

Tomorrow's just a future yesterday...

9/28/12 1:27:46 AM#149


Originally posted by GrayGhost79
I'm sorry, unblocking ads is simply not an option for me. To many issues can arise due to these flash ads. My computers safety is saddly a great deal more important to me. 

If it costs me this site, so be it :( 



And the other 1,835,365 members of this site will all go down in flames because of the "bad ads". Get a grip.

This is a terrible excuse for the "give it to me free" mindset. You can whitelist MMORPG in your ad blocking software, like Mike suggested. Still works to give all your other free sites advertisement free.

Truly, if your computer's safety was so prominent in your mind, you would not be on the internet at all. Who knows where the next virus will come from?

I have been on this site since 2006. NEVER in my time here have I received a virus from MMORPG. Will it happen? It could. It could also happen from ANY website one visits.

I am sorry for my tone in this, but I am sick of people expecting websites to operate for free when they know very well that cannot happen without ads. These ads specifically are banner ads. They do not pop-up, pop-under, or redirect you to a totally different site. They are not 30 second videos one has to sit through in order to get to the site. They are not intrusive ads that scroll with your screen.

Also, they are strictly MMO ads. There are no viagra, political, accounting software, or porn site ads on here. If one cannot "afford" to ignore the ads without blocking them, you shouldn't be here. After all, this is what it really boils down to.

If one is so concerned with "bad ads" messing up their computer, please visit only those sites where you pay a premium for it, with no ads allowed. Otherwise, I call bullshit. You like thinking you are "getting one over" with your ad blocking software.

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
- FARGIN_WAR

  Ramadar

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/19/04
Posts: 166

9/28/12 1:31:15 AM#150
You know we see ad's everyday and I'm sick to death of merchant's trying to lure me into buying more of their shit if I can block commercial's on my TV I'd do it in a heart beat if this is how you make your money to keep this site going then....oh well.

Evil will always triumph because good is dumb....

  asmkm22

Elite Member

Joined: 11/29/06
Posts: 1622

9/28/12 1:34:07 AM#151
Originally posted by Ramadar
You know we see ad's everyday and I'm sick to death of merchant's trying to lure me into buying more of their shit if I can block commercial's on my TV I'd do it in a heart beat if this is how you make your money to keep this site going then....oh well.

The internet routes around damage.  It's both a technical attribute, and a metaphorical one.  If this site dies in a fire because they can't make enough money to fly out to game conventions and stuff, the community will go to a site that does.  It's pretty simple.

You make me like charity

  User Deleted
9/28/12 1:36:10 AM#152
Originally posted by tomato_kwan

Accusing me stealing and comparing me with pirates cause me to start using adblock.

Good PR job there, CEO.

 

(I even used to click on your ads once a while.) 

 

Are you really that sensitive? Really?!?

Grow some balls man and stop trying to cause trouble. You're making a fool of yourself.

  bartoni33

Elite Member

Joined: 5/03/06
Posts: 1053

Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter accusations

9/28/12 2:16:13 AM#153

My 2p here.

1. Whitelisted this site, ads are not bad at all, almost didn't notice them. Will change I'm sure but so far not bad. I will keep it whitelisted until the ads are noticible.

2. Admin calling us Blacklisters "pirates" (I hate that term, we are NOT "pirates", we share digital files MEANT by the actual design of computing to be shared without loss of said files by the host therefor NO LOSS OF ANYTHING) a bad move for sure. Almost caused me to delete this site from my favorites to never be visited again. But I can't get mad when called that because I see no problem with it. Kinda like someone calling me a "pasty faced white boy". There are better ways of describing me but no offence taken.

3. A question to Admins: After asking us to whitelist, if you allow a malicious ad to compromise your site and our computers will you take responsibility for any damage done? Just curious.

  LordPsychodi

Novice Member

Joined: 6/14/07
Posts: 102

9/28/12 2:47:06 AM#154
It's a little strange and ironic that you can allow the specific adblock element if you looks via trial and error, but still keep all other ads disabled. I meant, on most sites I like, I allows ads, but because they're the simple images that are static banners. I don't think I'll ever allow anything else every again honestly, especially not anything with a script.
  Volgore

Tipster

Joined: 6/15/08
Posts: 1708

Posts deleted: 12589457

9/28/12 2:59:09 AM#155

I'm surprised about the amount of negativity towards this whole approach, but in a way one could have seen this coming. It's not a secret that you didn't exactly care to maintain a great relationship to your (forum-)users over the years.

Banning and warning left and right for every other posting on the "constructive criticism, negativity = trolling" wildcard, locking threads, overzealous moderation infering in discussions etc. etc.  Moderation (= forum- and therefore community management) on this site has been a hot topic forever and has even been discussed on other mmo-forums.

Defending your highscore "reviews" for crapware failing 6 month after launch against hordes of upset scammed and lied to readers/buyers, for "your longtime friends from company XY" with the big add in the background. Borderline insulting "all you guys just dont get that F2P is your future" Aihoshi-articles and "luukatme nerds, ima gamer gurl" teens with little clue of what they talk about fishing for compliments in the comments didn't help either.

Little surprise that many users aren't willing to now shake hands and give this site some benefit on this Ad-subject.

Back from the banned...again.

  User Deleted
9/28/12 3:10:31 AM#156
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 


Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Yalexy Seriously, can you please give me an answer for who can be held responsible if the currently blocked ads and javascripts cause any damage to my system? That's the third time I'm asking in this thread.
Of course we cannot take responsibiliy or guarantee that something bad could not happen.  Do we take every precaution we can?  Yes.  

 

Such as Amazon does not guarantee a hacker won't get your personal information or your local government does not guarantee your house will not be broken into.  MS or Apple does not guarantee that their OS is 100% hacker proof...this is just the way the tech world is.  Bad people are out there doing bad things and all we can do is our best to stop them.

In all of our time online we had one incident where a SWF (Flash) banner had malware.  It was delivered from a general network (what we show when we don't have an internal ad campaign).  We shut it off immediately and we stopped using that network and posted a notice to our users.  Adobe shortly after fixed the hole in Flash that allowed this exploit.


 

And this is why we run anti malware

I trust MMORPG's intentions. But unfortunately, it only takes one miss. And someone's gonna have issue on their PC.

I agree with Geezer.  MMORPG's  intentions aren't in question.   The fact is this site use to and probably still does get targeted a lot.  What was it..  a year or so ago for like one or two months, every week, there was some new ActiveX malware popping up trying to be installed from this site.   I've since switched browsers that have addons which allow me to protect myself.  
 
I don't expect this site or any to take responsibility unless they are deliberately distributing the malware. To call me a pirate for protecting myself is just as absurd as me wanting to hold MMORPG.com responsible for being compromised. There are ways to have ads which don't have issues with no script or addblockers, I say they should be using them.  This sites got a very shaky track record when it comes to malware.

I like MMORPG.com but if it's my security vs. MMORPG.com going the way of the dodo, so be it.   It won't be because there aren't other options for your adverts though. 

  Connmacart

Novice Member

Joined: 2/24/12
Posts: 693

9/28/12 3:19:25 AM#157

Well since Mister CEO seems to call his userbase stealing pirates. That's what I'll be than. Sorry never going to whitewash this site ever. 

Want me to change my mind issue a formal apology to the userbase :) In big bold later on the main page for a month.

  Nibs

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Joined: 8/26/04
Posts: 190

9/28/12 3:55:58 AM#158

Hmmm.

I have adblock here at work and this site's ads are blocked. Crappy PC, crappy connection, not going to whitelist you (here) any time soon. At home, no problems and done.

However...

I also don't have the big red banner telling me that I'm blocking ads. Brilliant :)

  Beermangler

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Joined: 5/28/09
Posts: 390

9/28/12 3:58:34 AM#159

While I do understand the drive for the banner, I can't disable AdBlock on my office computer.

 

I will, however, whitelist this on my home computer, as you have been a great source of information and entertainment.

Better to be crazy, provided you know what sane is...

  User Deleted
9/28/12 4:24:40 AM#160

Well, 16 pages and a few chuckles later, I've got a couple of points to make.

1) I am, in fact, a consumer. I use goods produced by companies all day every day. Be it looking at a web site written by a code monkey or what I had to eat for dinner, someone had to labor to create that "content", as it were. I understand that it takes time, effort, and resources to create these things. And I also understand that you do deserve compensation for my consumption of your product. That's only fair.

2) I use an adblocker. Why? Adverts are annoying. I'm not a dumb consumer. If I want a product, anything really, new burger joint, car, computer tech... I do research on it. I look for things that are out there to consume. I read up on them, I find out what their merits are, their failings, and make my decision on what to buy. This renders advertisements moot to me. Absolutely, and irritatingly, moot. 9 times out of 10, the more agressive the advertisement, the less willing I am to give their product a shot. It's a simple matter of "They have to try to sell it? Thing should sell itself if it's a decent and actually useful product." by my terms. I use an ad blocker to filter out the reffuse content and get to the core of what I'm looking to get. I see just about all adverts in the same manner: they're patronizing, condescending, and irritating by means of simply existing. The only interest in advertisements I have is how quickly and most effectively I can annihilate them. Would honestly love to see the entire concept of "advertisement" go down in a horrible, abyssmal fireball from which there is no recovery. I don't have an alternative in mind, but I'll jump on that boat as soon as it's ready to sail.

3) Said, and said again, but I'm gonna have to repeat it. "Pirate"? Bad call man, bad call. Yeah, I understand you make your money in the adverts, and us blocking them causes your revenue to drop, but seriously, there were a dozen different ways to put that, and you picked that one. Strong stance: good. Agressive and insulting stance: bad.

4) As for content, yeah, you guys are good. I used to use MMOhut.com for news on upcoming releases and some information on what I wanted to go hunting for, and switched to you almost as soon as I found you. I'd be willing to pay for it if it meant an end to advertisements. I already pay a cable company bill for phone, tv, and internet access. I don't have much for disposable income, so if I'm going to be paying for a supplimental service, in ANY shape form or fashion, it better damn well do what I want it to do. That said, out of a site like this, I'd expect fair reviews of games, quick news on developing games and new features added to existing games, and forums or open debate and whatnot... users will be users. And you deliver.

 

I can't bring myself to drop an adBlock, on principle. However, offering a pay-for-no-adverts system? I'm all down for that. And I honestly hope this becomes the trend that puts advertising in the same category as the Dodo bird and honest politicians: extinct. Be the change you want to see in the world.

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