Originally posted by Eletheryl

Originally posted by bliss14

Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

I don't think it's possible to completely rid any game of botting.  To promise it would be empty - for any game company.

Swtor and Bioware did it, not a single bot of goldspammer in 7 months and the credits or gold is a big deal on swtor. 

No they didn't.   I played SWTOR.   I got advertisements during EGA and until I quit in boredom in January.   And not only gold, but power-leveling.   Something I was really surprised to see seeing as you could power-level yourself to 50 in 30 hours if you used the spacebar.

Originally posted by GrumpyCharr

Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

 

Players voiced their concerns, and the company has responded with their plan of action.  What else are they supposed to do?  They banned 1600 accounts last week and terminate hundreds every day.  The most imporessive part to me is that they've admitted that their current abilities aren't good enough so they've hired a team of data experts to develop new tools to improve bot detection.  I say, this is impressive.

They can  do an official apology for not protecting their game server-side against teleportation hacks and movement speed hacks. That would convince me that they are genuine.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Jyiiga

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/On-Botting-and-What-We-re-Doing-About-It

 

"As a side effect, these efforts directly impact the operations of third-party gold sellers (and spammers). In conjunction with ‘bot’ removal we also take Real Money Trading very seriously and actively remove hundreds of gold spammers and sellers each day.

In short, we are fully committed to keeping this community free of bots and illicit gold sellers, and we very much appreciate your assistance in identifying and eliminating them.

Thank you for your understanding and patience as we continue to improve our ability to deal with this issue."

Something's missing from this picture, can you tell what it is?

No mention about taking action against illicit gold buyers or efforts to remove them from the game if caught purchasing gold. (because you really can't have one without the other now, can you?)

In the end its all lip service, of course they won't remove the buyers, and the sellers will just go buy new copies of the game, making ANET more money (or steal people's accounts) and go back to doing business as usual.

Makes for good PR, but lacks any real conviction.

 

lol.  I've never gotten a gold-seller message from the same account twice.     Same company.   PvPBank hijacks a lot of accounts.   And there are a couple of more.

But never have I gotten any kind of series of adds from the same dude.   Which, seeing as most of my gold-selling offers come from PvPBank, you'd kind of expect them to use the same account in order to control costs...   Unless they were banned...

Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

 I think you tinfoil hat is a little too tight. Your claims are absurd.

Originally posted by Eletheryl

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Eletheryl

Originally posted by bliss14

Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

I don't think it's possible to completely rid any game of botting.  To promise it would be empty - for any game company.

Swtor and Bioware did it, not a single bot of goldspammer in 7 months and the credits or gold is a big deal on swtor. 

Who wants to bot in TOR? Why would a gold seller be in the game? *sarcasm on* isn't TOR an SSO anyway? *sarcasm off*

Actually, you need gold or credits on swtor more than Gw2, so like i said, is a big deal for farmers. i dont know what SSO mean, but i remember swtor with 1.7 mill of players after 3 month of release without a single bot or goldspammer ingame, or even hacks, GW2 is also full of them. Not even a month on gw2 and the active population is dropin fast everyday, even worse after MoP launch, 1 day before MoP: 11 full servers on NA. One day After MoP just 1 Full server on NA, not a single one in europe. 

 Yesterday you claimed Anet lies about its server status, but now that their server status seems to support your new lie you use their server numbers in your argument?

Other people have already disputed your claim of no gold sellers in Swtor. Your obvious bias and uninformed hatred of GW2 makes you a dubious source of information.

Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

I'm a firm believer in the old saying "Even the paranoid have enemies"... but I have limts. You sir/mam have just exeeded that limit.

Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

NO developer can prevent all bots.  It simply can't be done.

At least they address it.  Blizzard has an epidemic of bots in D3 that are getting items or gold to sell in the RMAH.  They don't say squat and there are sites out there with publicly available bots.  It's really discouraging that even Blizzard can't/won't put a dent in them.

I'm not even sure what the solution is other than encrypted memory which would slow down everything.  Even then, bot makers would just work on pattern recognition in each frame displayed to the screen.

For me, outside of gold farming I have never seen the issue with players who want to bot overnight to gain levels. It is to me no different than those who use cheat codes to beat games faster. If anything, this does not hurt ArenaNet at all. In fact I believe the only reason they're attacking botting users (I have to say right here I am not one as I'd rather not have my account terminated) is because the large outcry from the community.

In a game in which its PVP and PVE content no way afflict eachother I see no reason to ban anyone using a bot. Why I see this is because people like me who have quit the PVE portion of the game due to poor main line quest level scaling. I do not enjoy how I have to spend 3 hours gaining 3 levels every 10-15 minute bits of my story. It's not fun. I have no fun in exploring the world and chasing events all day, truly. If I could without termination I would AFK bot it away to the select level to continue my story line. This way I could actually do other stuff in the background that I enjoy.

Originally posted by Eletheryl

Swtor and Bioware did it, not a single bot of goldspammer in 7 months and the credits or gold is a big deal on swtor.

Actually, you need gold or credits on swtor more than Gw2, so like i said, is a big deal for farmers. i dont know what SSO mean, but i remember swtor with 1.7 mill of players after 3 month of release without a single bot or goldspammer ingame, or even hacks, GW2 is also full of them. Not even a month on gw2 and the active population is dropin fast everyday, even worse after MoP launch, 1 day before MoP: 11 full servers on NA. One day After MoP just 1 Full server on NA, not a single one in europe. 

Actually, you need gold LESS than you do in GW2. GW2 the only fast way to get exotics is gold, some mystic forge/crafting combination needs gold and travelling is expensive.

In swtor travelling cost you pretty much nothing, and the only place you would spend money on is getting augmentation and equipment with augmented slot - and that is NOT EVEN REMOTELY IMPORTANT if you don't plan to min/max every detail in pvp (as just getting BM/WH set is okay, it is only slightly less powerful if you don't get augments). And money can EASY BE FARMED through dailies.

Also, there are heaps of bots and gold spammers in swtor.

So you are wrong on both counts.

If you post 1 more misinformation you can have a hattrick, lol.

Actions speak louder than words.

Players earning decent incomes off dungeons and farming certain DE's, Nerfed overnight.

Bots (which help deflate player income and boost gem sales) still expanding.

Penitent Path should be called 'Bot Way" now.  How many specialist do you need to log in and stand in Penitent Path for 2 minutes? 

You can't walk two steps, anywhere in Cursed Shore, the only end game level 80 zone, withoutseeing multiple bots ruining everyone's experience.

Or perhaps Penitent Path should be named "Kill Steal Path", the game that was supposed to have gotten rid of kill stealing, now has kill stealing up the wazoo thanks to so many bots.  The multiple bots kill the DE mobs so fast, often you get no credit for tagging any mob or get any loot.  Yes sir, that is FUN!!!

Anet's actions have yielded nothing but an increase in Bots. 

When a big corporation like NC soft and it's flunky subsets like Anet plan on doing nothing, they give you slick PR promising to to something. 

When a corporation wants someting done, like nerf player income, it happens overnight.

Encountered 3 more bots in Bloodtide Coast last night, they were teleporting ot the exact same spots over and over swinging randomly until a target spawns.

"In short, we are fully committed to keeping this community free of bots and illicit gold sellers"

Well... The game isn't free of bots and gold sellers. To me it should say "We are committed to fighting and improving upon our Bot and gold issues". How we love to twist words and these people go home thinking they are so clever and special.

Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

That sounds pretty paranoid.