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  Eletheryl

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9/27/12 9:13:29 AM#21
Originally posted by bliss14
Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

I don't think it's possible to completely rid any game of botting.  To promise it would be empty - for any game company.

Swtor and Bioware did it, not a single bot of goldspammer in 7 months and the credits or gold is a big deal on swtor. 

  Eir_S

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9/27/12 9:13:55 AM#22
Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

Did you miss the early days of GW1, where bots drove the prices up so high that the economy was ruined for almost the entire life of the title?  At least they're not ignoring it this time.

  Worstluck

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9/27/12 9:13:57 AM#23
Glad they addressed the issue at least.  It may not be as widespread as people make it out to be, but it's there.  I watched three of them in Frostgorge Sound last night, teleporting around, all moving at the same time, really obvious.  I reported them and moved on.  Botting to some degree has been in every major MMO I have personally played, so while I know that it's impossible to get rid of it, I hope they can curtail a bit more than they currently are. 

  botrytis

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9/27/12 9:15:43 AM#24
Originally posted by Eletheryl
Originally posted by bliss14
Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

I don't think it's possible to completely rid any game of botting.  To promise it would be empty - for any game company.

Swtor and Bioware did it, not a single bot of goldspammer in 7 months and the credits or gold is a big deal on swtor. 

Who wants to bot in TOR? Why would a gold seller be in the game? *sarcasm on* isn't TOR an SSO anyway? *sarcasm off*

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  Eir_S

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GW2 socialist.

9/27/12 9:19:15 AM#25
Originally posted by Worstluck
Glad they addressed the issue at least.  It may not be as widespread as people make it out to be, but it's there.  I watched three of them in Frostgorge Sound last night, teleporting around, all moving at the same time, really obvious.  I reported them and moved on.  Botting to some degree has been in every major MMO I have personally played, so while I know that it's impossible to get rid of it, I hope they can curtail a bit more than they currently are. 

Did you ever, by chance, try that crappy F2P called Cabal?  The gold spam chat cascaded so fast that your own public text wouldn't stay on the screen for more than half a second.  Worst botting/spamming game I've seen so far.

  JoeyMMO

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To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

9/27/12 9:25:28 AM#26
Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.   

They never promised to rid the game of gold sellers. You just can't do this, unless you close the game down. There will always be hackers, there needs to be only one. Instead of making promises they can't keep, they're working on the problem. How's that for baloney?

"Every choke point DE in the game is infected ith numerous bots." List of "choke point DE's" and list of servers you've noticed this on please?

Now the gold sellers are Anet themselves? *Gasp*

 I suppose you have something to back that up, lest your own words be taken for baloney instead of Anet's..

  Eletheryl

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9/27/12 9:27:45 AM#27
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Eletheryl
Originally posted by bliss14
Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

I don't think it's possible to completely rid any game of botting.  To promise it would be empty - for any game company.

Swtor and Bioware did it, not a single bot of goldspammer in 7 months and the credits or gold is a big deal on swtor. 

Who wants to bot in TOR? Why would a gold seller be in the game? *sarcasm on* isn't TOR an SSO anyway? *sarcasm off*

Actually, you need gold or credits on swtor more than Gw2, so like i said, is a big deal for farmers. i dont know what SSO mean, but i remember swtor with 1.7 mill of players after 3 month of release without a single bot or goldspammer ingame, or even hacks, GW2 is also full of them. Not even a month on gw2 and the active population is dropin fast everyday, even worse after MoP launch, 1 day before MoP: 11 full servers on NA. One day After MoP just 1 Full server on NA, not a single one in europe. 

  JoeyMMO

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To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

9/27/12 9:29:40 AM#28
Originally posted by Eir_S
*snip*
Did you ever, by chance, try that crappy F2P called Cabal?  The gold spam chat cascaded so fast that your own public text wouldn't stay on the screen for more than half a second.  Worst botting/spamming game I've seen so far.

 Yep, the game would often just crash as you came running into town by the bombardment of gold selling spam. Going back to town was always a risky proposition at peak hours. I've seen it bad in F2P games, but CABAL takes the title without any contest from any of the other games I played.

  Xzen

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9/27/12 9:30:12 AM#29
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Jyiiga

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/On-Botting-and-What-We-re-Doing-About-It

 

"As a side effect, these efforts directly impact the operations of third-party gold sellers (and spammers). In conjunction with ‘bot’ removal we also take Real Money Trading very seriously and actively remove hundreds of gold spammers and sellers each day.

In short, we are fully committed to keeping this community free of bots and illicit gold sellers, and we very much appreciate your assistance in identifying and eliminating them.

Thank you for your understanding and patience as we continue to improve our ability to deal with this issue."

Something's missing from this picture, can you tell what it is?

No mention about taking action against illicit gold buyers or efforts to remove them from the game if caught purchasing gold. (because you really can't have one without the other now, can you?)

In the end its all lip service, of course they won't remove the buyers, and the sellers will just go buy new copies of the game, making ANET more money (or steal people's accounts) and go back to doing business as usual.

Makes for good PR, but lacks any real conviction.

 

WoW doesn't ban gold buyers either. They just take all the gold off the account. =)

  Raekon

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9/27/12 9:32:18 AM#30
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Jyiiga

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/On-Botting-and-What-We-re-Doing-About-It

 

"As a side effect, these efforts directly impact the operations of third-party gold sellers (and spammers). In conjunction with ‘bot’ removal we also take Real Money Trading very seriously and actively remove hundreds of gold spammers and sellers each day.

In short, we are fully committed to keeping this community free of bots and illicit gold sellers, and we very much appreciate your assistance in identifying and eliminating them.

Thank you for your understanding and patience as we continue to improve our ability to deal with this issue."

Something's missing from this picture, can you tell what it is?

No mention about taking action against illicit gold buyers or efforts to remove them from the game if caught purchasing gold. (because you really can't have one without the other now, can you?)

In the end its all lip service, of course they won't remove the buyers, and the sellers will just go buy new copies of the game, making ANET more money (or steal people's accounts) and go back to doing business as usual.

Makes for good PR, but lacks any real conviction.

 

Funny observation:

- you highlighted the part you needed but left out the answer to your question that was in the same line

and we very much appreciate your assistance in identifying and eliminating them.

So much about the "no mention about taking action".

  CyclopsSlayer

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9/27/12 9:37:01 AM#31
Originally posted by Raekon
Originally posted by ennymith

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.  

Exaggerating much?

Of course your server might have more than mine.

I didn't came across any Bots for the last around 2,5 - 3 weeks anymore.

Prior to that I came only across 5 of them max (3 were together on a DE spawn point spamming arrows and two other in a other area also in a DE spawning point doing the same with shooting pistols/rifles).

So I highly doubt that the "whole game" and every server is like that.

Spotted and reported multiple Bots and Hackers in the past few weeks.

 

-One case, 2 players were following a 3 step DE in the morning my time, saw them still there later that afternoon, and when I checked back later that night they were still at it.

-The other one I 'Love' are the Rangers, Fire an Arrow, recoil backwards, and then vanish to reappear at some distant mob. On Ehmry Bay, 'Xiao Nan' and 'Stichy' were doing that for at least 2 days in a row that I noticed.

  Freyas

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9/27/12 2:12:44 PM#32
Originally posted by Eletheryl
Originally posted by bliss14
Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

I don't think it's possible to completely rid any game of botting.  To promise it would be empty - for any game company.

Swtor and Bioware did it, not a single bot of goldspammer in 7 months and the credits or gold is a big deal on swtor. 

Did we play the same SWTOR?  I remember getting multiple in-game mails in SWTOR with gold selling advertisements back when I played.  Doing a quick google search for swtor gold brings up as many hits for gold selling sites as for any other major MMO, as well.  I haven't played since release month, but it seems you're a bit off-base here.

  Jackdog

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9/27/12 2:18:17 PM#33
 never seen the same bots ingame twice on my server. I see them report them, might take a few hours but they go away and I never see them again. That has been my experiance 3 imes now at least

I miss DAoC

  MurlockDance

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9/27/12 2:34:51 PM#34

The last two times I played GW2 I encountered bots, but I am only realizing this in retrospect.

The first time was a ranger who seemed to be logged in and farming the same spot over and over again for hours and hours. He was alone though. I did find it odd that he seemed to not have moved and was still on killing things.

Second time was very annoying. I encountered a group of 5 higher level toons all stuck to each other that teleported into the DE I was just starting on, they killed everything onsite very quickly, which kept me from being able to loot anything at all, and before I knew it they had ported out somewhere else. They literally slaughtered everything in site before I could get a shot. Their names were also not French names though I am on a French server.

Not having had time to check up on the bot issue, I did wonder if I had indeed encountered bots, but I wasn't sure so I did not report them. I wish I had now.

I rarely buy/sell on the market (less than a handful of times since I prefer to salvage crafting materials... more valuable than selling them on the market) so haven't looked at the prices really.

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  Karelia

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9/27/12 2:37:33 PM#35
bots bots bots. almost everywhere you can see bots. this sucks
  User Deleted
9/27/12 2:51:27 PM#36
Thing I hated the most about bots were the idiots who let them just do whatever they wanted. I would literally go out of my way to get them killed, then people would walk up and rez them. I would tell them not to because its a bot and your just suporting them exploiting the game. They would heed me no mind and continue to do it. Honestly I think the only way to combat bots would be to make weapons break (at no extra cost to us) so that they have no means of casting their spells after they have died so many times.
  MosesZD

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9/27/12 3:02:40 PM#37
Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

 

lol.   That's right up there with ANet secretly bots to sell gold on the side...

  User Deleted
9/27/12 3:05:32 PM#38
Originally posted by MosesZD
Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

 

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

 

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

 

 

 

lol.   That's right up there with ANet secretly bots to sell gold on the side...

Don't you know? Thats a game, they buy an account and bot until enough people report them, then they sell their winnings. The better the spot, the more money they make off it. Its like a strategic game of chance, only there's money involved.

  MosesZD

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9/27/12 3:07:54 PM#39
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by ennymith

Carefully worded PR baloney.  Note they never promised to actually rid that game of this.

Totally ineffective so far, every choke point DE in the game is infected with numerous bots.

Selling gold via third party shills, gives Anet deniability while they still manage to deflate player income and increase Anet's revenues.  

Promising that they can rid the game of bots is kinda like promising that a ship cant be sunk or that the world will end in next month, it would be impossible to keep that.

And goldsellers is not really good for ANET, there are way better and easier ways to deflate the economy than goldsellers which usually hijack players accounts which easily can take away many players from the game that never will get the expansion or buy any gems.

Botting is not really that common, most goldsellers today hacks accounts instead, a lot less work. Sure, there are morons using it to get more gold and there are some people who used hijacked characters as bots but you make it sounds like they are everywhere. And this is not really something unique to GW2 but something that happened in almost every MMO.

Botting were really popular 5 years ago and so was Chinese prisoners and people in gold farming sweat shops. Now they instead steals your account and rob you blind instead.

 

That's exactly how they do it.   You go to their site, they plant a key-logger (thank you Java, Explorer, Firefox, Chrome, et.al. for all those security holes), they sell you some gold.   And after they collect your account information from your trojaned computer, they relieve you of the gold and sell it to the next sucker.

 

Personally, I think you have to be at least six kinds of stupid to buy gold at this point in time.   Same goes with modding and add-ons.    I mean, come on, these people are dishonest.  They steal accounts.   They break the rules for a living.   Why do people not think they're not going to turn on you?   Have you never heard the expression --- there is no honor among thieves? 

  Kyleran

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9/27/12 3:10:40 PM#40
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Jyiiga

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/On-Botting-and-What-We-re-Doing-About-It

 

"As a side effect, these efforts directly impact the operations of third-party gold sellers (and spammers). In conjunction with ‘bot’ removal we also take Real Money Trading very seriously and actively remove hundreds of gold spammers and sellers each day.

In short, we are fully committed to keeping this community free of bots and illicit gold sellers, and we very much appreciate your assistance in identifying and eliminating them.

Thank you for your understanding and patience as we continue to improve our ability to deal with this issue."

Something's missing from this picture, can you tell what it is?

No mention about taking action against illicit gold buyers or efforts to remove them from the game if caught purchasing gold. (because you really can't have one without the other now, can you?)

In the end its all lip service, of course they won't remove the buyers, and the sellers will just go buy new copies of the game, making ANET more money (or steal people's accounts) and go back to doing business as usual.

Makes for good PR, but lacks any real conviction.

 

WoW doesn't ban gold buyers either. They just take all the gold off the account. =)

Actually,  I know CCP does that in EVE, wasn't aware Blizzard had the same policy, never really saw a post from anyone who said that had happened to them in WOW.

Definitely not the standard practice in the industry.

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