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  grimal

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9/26/12 1:39:38 PM#61
Originally posted by Aerowyn
gone over why I have so many posts several times you are welcome to search for it:) I'm asking more out of curiosity as when I dislike a game like torchligh 2 for example I have no desire to bitch and moan about it..I just toss it aside and move to something I enjoy... guess I'm just strange I dunno

No need, I was just trying to illustrate a point.  But it seems it may have been lost....what I am saying is people have reasons for doing things that may seem foreign to others.  Just a part of life.  What may seem odd to you is not to others and vice-versa.

 

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  Wakygreek

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Reason is a necessity

9/26/12 1:48:00 PM#62

Yes GW2 has problems, but OP seems to just be complaining because it doesn't compare with what he wanted it to be more than anything.

I would suggest re-writing your review without passing your complaints as facts, it will make for a better read and it won't come off as bad.

  Wolvards

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Joined: 1/27/12
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9/26/12 1:48:27 PM#63
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by Wolvards
Originally posted by Bjelar
Originally posted by L0C0Man

Community: on forums: strongly agree... in game: strongly disagree.

 

Please. I played for therteen hours yesterday, and when I logged off the guy that said something 13 hours ago still showed up in my /map chat.

 

Maybe I misinterpet you and you felt "2" was too high.

damn, therteen hours in one sitting? You must be  champin.

Fixed

You're going to get me fired for laughing too loud hahaha

The "Youtube Pro": Someone who watches video's on said subject, and obviously has a full understanding of what is being said about such subject.

  Four0Six

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9/26/12 1:49:42 PM#64
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Aerowyn
which is just fine this is surely the sub forum for this.. I'm curious though unless you are getting paid why spend so much time talking about something you dislike? seems more like an agenda and with the title an obvious bait...but either way still fascinating people put so much thought/time into a video game they dislike.. guess it makes them happy? I dunno

Why do people spend countless hours praising this or that game?  To express their opinion.  You of all people should know that.

 

but again its something we enjoy.. I wouldn't go on EVE forums and blast the game because I dislike it.. why would I waste the effort?.. just seems odd people get some sort of strange enjoyment continually bashing something.. I dunno guess I'm strange as I like spending my time talking about things I enjoy not dislike

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Not a single game forum, actually a place where I would expect to find differing opinions.

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  Clocksimus

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9/26/12 1:49:42 PM#65
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  Dreycraft

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9/26/12 1:50:40 PM#66
As usual, you do nothing but state your own personal opinion about precious GW2 and everyone jumps down your throat. Believe it or not I actually agree with most of your beefs here. I posted on this site when I first bought it that I was wrong about the game and how awesome it was, now I'm not so sure. I am so incredibly disturbed by how insanely fast this game got boring, I'm still in awe over that. I really don't see how people can play this game for extended periods of time and be actually enjoying themselves, everyday it became harder and harder and harder to log-in. The gameplay is just too restrictive and it has, by FAR, the worst immersion of any mmorpg I've ever played. Waypoints are convenient, but they absolutely annihilate the immersion and eliminate the need for mounts which is why there aren't any and the devs have said there will never be any. I'm sure you'll say, "who cares? mounts are not needed" but I KNOW deep down you are secretly disappointed about this as well. DEs are cool at first but then the excitement quickly wanes and you're smashed in the face with the realization that they are extremely repetitive zergfests with nothing too interesting going on. The fact that this game is f2p is great, but you'll begin to learn that if you don't constantly drop money into the gem store, it hurts your experience. You're only given a meager 5 character slots and a very tiny allotment of bank space, which btw is shared between all of your characters making it 5 times as small. And I don't want to hear "but, but, you can spend your in-game currency to buy gems though!" I'm well aware of this, but doing so takes 10 times as long and completely drains your gold pouch if you want to buy anything decent, so in the end most people will just use real money. I'm done here, I wish the game good luck, but I'm done with it and have no interest in entering Tyria again. I don't even like saying it that way because when I log-in it never truly feels like I've entered another world.
  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

9/26/12 1:51:32 PM#67
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Aerowyn
gone over why I have so many posts several times you are welcome to search for it:) I'm asking more out of curiosity as when I dislike a game like torchligh 2 for example I have no desire to bitch and moan about it..I just toss it aside and move to something I enjoy... guess I'm just strange I dunno

No need, I was just trying to illustrate a point.  But it seems it may have been lost....what I am saying is people have reasons for doing things that may seem foreign to others.  Just a part of life.  What may seem odd to you is not to others and vice-versa.

 

 

which is why I said I was curious if anyone had any insight as to what drives someone to continuously talk about video games they dislike...in life people do this all the time on religion or politics but generally its part of some sort of agenda ...just seems video games should be about fun about entertainment... I guess I'm wrong who knows... oh also as I see someone else poked at my post count I'm in the military I work 12 hour shifts with half my time traveling to various locations around the area and luckily I usually don't drive so I have plenty of extra time to post from my phone.

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  GoldenArrow

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9/26/12 1:51:58 PM#68
Originally posted by adam_nox

Update:  Community: 2

 

Just look at how quickly and without provocation the replies become personal.  I'm a tool, I'm playing it wrong, etc.  Good stuff.  Also forgot to note how unsociable the game is, though there's so many topics about this in this forum and in the General one, that it pretty much goes without saying.

 

Gameplay and Combat: 6.0

 

Let's rewind to a few months before release.  I didn't have access to BWE.  I could watch videos, which don't really tell you much about certain aspects of an mmo, character creation, customization, skill choices, etc.  No one was really talking about how combat worked outside of wild claims of how much skill it took to move your character away from attacks and hit the dodge button.

 

I was honestly a little intimidated.  I look back at those feelings now and laugh.  Having come from DC Universe, I can tell you that game's movement and attacks are both more varied and involve ten times as much skill as that of GW2.  I know because I never mastered it in DCUO, but I was good enough that I could see how others were able to counter all my common block breaking and stunlock tricks.  Truly impressive gameplay there, but too high level for a casual non-tekkenish player like myself. 

 

Guild wars 2 on the other hand took all of an hour or so, and only because when you first start out you don't have access to all the skills available on the weapon you equip.  But afterwards, you learn a flow, and moving is easy, dodging even easier (especially for me, who set it to the spacebar.)

 

Outside of endurance for dodge (you get 2 dodges per full bar whooopeee), there's no resource management.  There's no mana, no rage, no energy, etc.  Necromancers almost get what would be considered a resource to gather and spend, but I didn't spend enough time with them to say much about it, except it was very simplistic.  Instead, I was a ranger.   Considered by many a powerful choice, I do not disagree.   Oddly though, my pet was more powerful than me.  I didn't test much without trait points allocated, but with 20 into pet attributes, it consistently outdamaged me, and could take more punishment, and regened life faster.    I was hoping to have a powerful sniper, but instead I was a beastmaster. 

 

That's the thing, there's no real glass cannons, there's no powerful snipers, there's no stealth class.   There's no tanks, there's no healers.  The classes are very similar in functionality, and the differences are mostly skin deep aesthetics.  DPS, dodge, use your heal skill, etc  You'll hear a lot about these magical things called combo fields.  Mostly impractically and usually ineffective, they can sometimes help your group.  I have yet to see the miracle in person though.  As if combo fields and dodging can replace resource management, healing, and agro management.  Pure hubris on the part of the devs.

 

Character development and customization: 6.0

 

You can dye your armor.  Just saying that makes me excited.  Unfortunately, GW2 seems to suck the life right out of it by restricting dyes and making any good ones cost prohibitive until you get up in levels.  Even at 43 I cannot afford a black dye, let alone the truly black abyss dye.    There's also not that many different styles of armor, and if you want to keep one style you need to use a rare consumable to transfer the look.   Strange to bring it up again, but in DCUO you colored pieces how you wanted and once you unlocked a certain style you could use it freely.   Perhaps that system is too lax, but somewhere in between these two systems surely there's perfection. 

 

On the development front, 50% of what your character can do is a simple matter of equiping a weapon.  Honestly the system is borderline bizarre.  No choices at all, really?  Then the other half of your skillbar are skills you can unlock, there's a lot of choice here, but as a ranger, most the abilities were so lackluster that it hardly mattered.  The heal was of obvious importance, but the utilities were crap.  I went with the passives after trying most of them. 

 

Then there's traits.  Magical in the same way combo fields are, I believe that they do change how your character performs in various areas, but there's no active abilities gleaned from traits.  Instead, you spend points wherever it will most increase your damage, as most consider toughness/healing power/vit pointless to up with trait points.  

 

Overall, as someone who came from Diablo 3 very recently, I was already tired of the lack of stat points, skill trees, etc, and GW2 was even more restrictive. 

 

Crafting: 4.0

 

In the beginning of the game I may have given this a 9, but as I continued to craft, but came up short on ingredients I needed, having to buy them off the trading post for more than I could really afford, I don't like it.  Not only do you already devote time to the endeavor, and despite what anyone says, it doesn't award that much xp/hour, you then lose money instead of gaining it, and outside of early levels, it's unlikely you'll keep up enough to provide yourself upgrades or make any sort of profit.  Isn't that the point of crafting?  What do mmo devs not understand about this?

 

WvW:  3.0

 

I'd like to hear from some old school DAoC (original frontiers, not new frontiers) players who liked it's RvR and how they feel WvW compares.  To me it's pretty crappy.  It's simplistic, and at the same time requires several players to get even the smallest task complete, and usually you need siege if you don't want it to take an hour.  It's a bad cumbersome unfun system.  Before the game was released, people made wild claims about WvW.  They said that everyone was on equal footing in terms of character power, no matter what their level, and they said it was the fastest way to level.  Neither claim is even in the ballpark of reality. 

 

Leveling is slow, you'll die a lot, you'll spend a lot on repair costs, and you'll spend a lot of time just running hoping to find a fight you can get some xp out of before you die again.  And level 80s have many more trait points and much better gear that directly effects the damage they can give and take, and they will beat you up and take your lunchmoney, and if they don't then they suck and have bad gear, probably from leveling all the way up in WvW.   It's not fair at all to lower level players, who don't get their own zones.  Instead of having 4 different WvW zones where one is busy and 3 are not, all at level 80, they could have had Eternal at 80, and one at 30 for a cap, 50, and 65 or 70. 

 

I didn't do sPvP, I don't care about capture the flag or whatever it is they do in there.  I like war, like in WoW early days at tarren mill/southshore, or DAoC old frontiers, or even in warhammer online. 

 

In truth there's no war here.  No factions, no world pvp.  Just a cumbersome war game outside the reality of the rest of the game.  It's just another immersion breaker, and makes you wonder, what's the point?

 

PvE:  7.0

 

It's actually not bad at first.  Just running out and doing some stuff without collecting a novel full of quests.  I always thought the way oldschool WoW did it was a bit obnoxious.  I prefer a handful of quests that chain together to make a story or drama, of which I am not the star, but an important player.  GW2 doesn't offer that.   And after a while, DE's seem all the same, boss encounters seem all the same.  spam spam spam that attack, done.   Hearts and collecting vistas and POIs and waypoints is not a replacement for questing.  It just doesn't fill the gap that's left from not having any sort of meaningful quest system.  And it gets old fast.   Not only that, but DEs are so dumbed down and simplistic, and you are never awarded loot.  In general loot is very boring even when you find an upgrade.

 

I only played one dungeon.  It was a chaotic yet boring spamfest, with cutscenes that only I actually watched while the rest of my group left me behind.    In general it wasn't fun.

 

Aesthetics: 9.0

I don't care for the style, especially of mobiles, but the scenery is nice and the graphics quality is clearly impressive.

 

Overall,:not good.  You can do the math yourself.

 

I spent 300 bucks upgrading to an i5 to play this game at better than a slideshow.  I'm not just some guy who plopped the game in and played for 5 minutes without anything invested into it.  What irks me the most is how hyped up the game was by people making wild claims that were simply untrue after playing BWEs.  Claims about world vs world, and how awesome combat was seem so out of this world.

 

I only now review it, as I think I'm ready to move on.  For the past week I've been trying very hard to log in and have fun, and it's just too boring.  With borderlands 2, TL2, and D3 1.05 looming, I don't see why I should waste anymore time.  Otherwise I would have gotten to 80 before writing a review. 

 

On a final note, doing things differently does not warrant the title revolutionary if the change is bad, and most of the divergence of GW2's systems from the mold are downgrades.   Kudos to the devs for trying, but whoever came up with the replacement systems for the trinity, dungeons, questing, and pvp simply did a bad job.

Very nice and honest review.

I pretty much agree with everything.

  Siug

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9/26/12 1:52:10 PM#69

Quite agree with OP. I honestly expected more from this game. Wasn't following it much but read about it quite a lot before release. Tbh for me personally the only outstanding feature of GW2 is no sub. Probably playing it wrong (tm).

Edit: Don't agree with PvE getting so high rating. In my opinion it's more like 3-4. I play only Western MMOs so I really cannot bring up any comparisons with Korean generic fantasy garbage.

 

  WhiteLantern

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9/26/12 1:54:32 PM#70
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Aerowyn
gone over why I have so many posts several times you are welcome to search for it:) I'm asking more out of curiosity as when I dislike a game like torchligh 2 for example I have no desire to bitch and moan about it..I just toss it aside and move to something I enjoy... guess I'm just strange I dunno

No need, I was just trying to illustrate a point.  But it seems it may have been lost....what I am saying is people have reasons for doing things that may seem foreign to others.  Just a part of life.  What may seem odd to you is not to others and vice-versa.

 

 

which is why I said I was curious if anyone had any insight as to what drives someone to continuously talk about video games they dislike...in life people do this all the time on religion or politics but generally its part of some sort of agenda ...just seems video games should be about fun about entertainment... I guess I'm wrong who knows... oh also as I see someone else poked at my post count I'm in the military I work 12 hour shifts with half my time traveling to various locations around the area and luckily I usually don't drive so I have plenty of extra time to post from my phone.

Two main agendas at play:

1. "look at me"

2. "misery loves company"

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Karteli

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Posts: 2704

9/26/12 1:58:32 PM#71

Good review, thanks for taking the time to write it out.

 

I could only wish that GW2 might one day actually include social tools and make character information more widely available to anyone in-game, so it might feel more like an MMO.  As it is, it's just a solo player RPG, and now that I'm lv 80, playing it again would be like continuing to play a SP-RPG once you already beat it.  Creating a new character is really no better.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  bcbully

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Posts: 7247

9/26/12 2:01:19 PM#72
damn wish I could have gotten in earlier on this one....

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Karelia

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Posts: 688

9/26/12 2:01:54 PM#73
agree with OP almost in everything
  evolver1972

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What is "real"? How do you define "real"?

9/26/12 2:02:04 PM#74

Very honest and well thought out opinion of the game.  Too bad you don't like it but to each their own.  I'm enjoying it immensely even with some of the things I'm not fond of (not a big fan of the crafting, actually).

 

I assume then, since you don't like the game and are planning on moving on, that this will be the last word from you on the subject? 

You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???

Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!

  Bjelar

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Joined: 4/07/12
Posts: 383

9/26/12 2:04:06 PM#75
Originally posted by Wakygreek

Yes GW2 has problems, but OP seems to just be complaining because it doesn't compare with what he wanted it to be more than anything.

I would suggest re-writing your review without passing your complaints as facts, it will make for a better read and it won't come off as bad.

 

 

Fine, fine, excellent, but why report OP? For not having the opinions you expect? My adrenaline level is rising. I don't like that at all.

 

...or do you really see it as a fact because some random guy posted it on the internet? Come on.

  Valkaern

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Joined: 7/23/03
Posts: 513

9/26/12 2:04:09 PM#76
Originally posted by adam_nox

 

 

That's the thing, there's no real glass cannons, there's no powerful snipers, there's no stealth class.   There's no tanks, there's no healers.  The classes are very similar in functionality, and the differences are mostly skin deep aesthetics.  

 

If this was a concern of yours you'll be happy to know you're completely wrong on this one. 

Obviously you're writing this with very little comprehension of actual game mechanics - if you were truly familiar with what classes can do and were actually intending a well thought out and informed critique you simply wouldn't have made this assertion, it's just flat out false and ignorant.

I won't bother reading beyond this as you haven't bothered to do any actual research.

It's a shame, there certainly are actual problematic flaws you could have discussed - the game's not perfect by any means, but fabricating and spinning BS screams of someone just out for attention or other silliness rather than making intelligent points and discussing actual issues.

0.0 for yet *more* uninformed nonsense on these forums. Disappointed. 

  Vorthanion

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9/26/12 2:06:50 PM#77
All I can say is that I'm having much more fun in Planetside 2 than Guild Wars 2, so much so that I rarely if ever even log into GW2, except when the PS2 servers are down for updates.  Go figure, considering I'm not a big fan of action combat, heh.

  bcbully

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Posts: 7247

9/26/12 2:09:56 PM#78
Originally posted by Vorthanion
All I can say is that I'm having much more fun in Planetside 2 than Guild Wars 2, so much so that I rarely if ever even log into GW2, except when the PS2 servers are down for updates.  Go figure, considering I'm not a big fan of action combat, heh.

If WvW could be like this huh?

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  User Deleted
9/26/12 2:10:37 PM#79
Originally posted by adam_nox

 

Gameplay and Combat: 6.0

 

I agree but there is something weird and good also,Grenadier Engineers ,it is actually skill based class (only one)

Gameplay and Combat there is close to 10 because of the challenge,you need to move and manually target  at the same time.

But because your pointer disappears every now and then and because of the camera and because you mostly cant see where you are targeting because of zerg or lag or terrain,i give it 9.5,and ofcourse people tab targeting vs manual targeter on the same game doesnt even make sense.

so Anet hear me,if you are still planning going eSport ,Grenadier Engi vs Grenadier Engi only and you might have something there (no other weapons allowed)

 

 

  Karteli

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9/26/12 2:10:56 PM#80
Originally posted by evolver1972

Very honest and well thought out opinion of the game.  Too bad you don't like it but to each their own.  I'm enjoying it immensely even with some of the things I'm not fond of (not a big fan of the crafting, actually).

 

I assume then, since you don't like the game and are planning on moving on, that this will be the last word from you on the subject? 

Whenever you put money into a game, you automatically get a lifetime subscription to continually praise or complain against a game.  I find GW2 rather boring as well.

SWTOR had more social interaction, and that is just sad.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

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