According to xfire WoW is "on the rise" because right now more people are playing WoW than GW2.

OMG WOW IS BACK!

lolololololol

Originally posted by bcbully

You know that you going to get an overwhelm no.... I will predict that no more than 1-2% of the mmorpg community do....

 

You do know that xfire is a sample of the gw2 community right? Not a 1 to 1 correlation right?

 

edit - lol

 

edit - just looked at the results 10% do? geez thats a lot. 

It's not a viable sample, what i mean is it's not a sample that can be used for the purposes of any unbiased comparision.

A truly unbiased sample would have to be selected at random from the entire 2 million+ userbase, otherwise it's skewed, biased and pretty much unusable.

Originally posted by BadSpock

According to xfire WoW is "on the rise" because right now more people are playing WoW than GW2.

OMG WOW IS BACK!

lolololololol

Wow, x-fire shows that? Must be true then :)

Originally posted by BadSpock
I HATE Apple products but I'm not an idiot - they are still *the* major player in the consumer tech market.

Actually, Android is beating iPhone big time...

Originally posted by krakra70

Originally posted by Damzilla

Simple question, simple answer.

Rules: Question applies to GW2 players only. This poll isn't made to be a representative of the whole community, just a sample of the current MMORPG.com members - players. No trolling, flaming - keep it clean and civil - it's not that hard, is it ?

Keep in mind scientific polls are being made with as low as 500-1000 people to represent opinions of millions of people. Even if only 1% use xfire in statistics it is more than enough.

It depends on population, you are trying to poll. X-fire users, and its demographic, may not represent the whole population of MMO gamers, but it can still be used to show a trend. However, that trend is about x-fire players, but it is good to keep in mind that X-fire statistics has been relatively accurate showing the overall trend for many games in the past.

Been using similar calculation, as show in the below. Typically polls and surveys use 95% confidence level.

http://www.custominsight.com/articles/random-sample-calculator.asp

Originally posted by krakra70

Originally posted by Damzilla

Simple question, simple answer.

Rules: Question applies to GW2 players only. This poll isn't made to be a representative of the whole community, just a sample of the current MMORPG.com members - players. No trolling, flaming - keep it clean and civil - it's not that hard, is it ?

Keep in mind scientific polls are being made with as low as 500-1000 people to represent opinions of millions of people. Even if only 1% use xfire in statistics it is more than enough.

Good, at least partially correct.

Scientific polls require proper selection of their sample pops.  Self-selection is not good methodology.

Sample sizes are something that laymen tend to consider of paramount importance.  Sampling methods are what statisticians would consider first when vetting each other's work.

Anyway, we risk the verbosity bludgeon monsters of the X-fire Megathreads awakening from their slumber.  Let the sleeping dog lie.

nope

Just havinng an appropriately sized sample pool does not automatically make the poll an accurate representation. Take a political poll in the US that polls on a certain topic. If all of thier sample is in the same area in NYC it will have an entirely different outcome than the same sampling size from rural OK. The same is true with Xfire. True, you may have a decent sized polling group, but if all of the people who use Xfire have a particualr taste in games compared to those that do not use it, then you sample will be biased from the start.

Me, I dont use xfire, but I have been gaming since before the internet was born (yes I was gaming off tapes on PCs that didnt even have graphics yet, let alone a modem to connect to an internet).

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by krakra70

Originally posted by Damzilla

Simple question, simple answer.

Rules: Question applies to GW2 players only. This poll isn't made to be a representative of the whole community, just a sample of the current MMORPG.com members - players. No trolling, flaming - keep it clean and civil - it's not that hard, is it ?

Keep in mind scientific polls are being made with as low as 500-1000 people to represent opinions of millions of people. Even if only 1% use xfire in statistics it is more than enough.

Good, at least partially correct.

Scientific polls require proper selection of their sample pops.  Self-selection is not good methodology.

Sample sizes are something that laymen tend to consider of paramount importance.  Sampling methods are what statisticians would consider first when vetting each other's work.

Anyway, we risk the verbosity bludgeon monsters of the X-fire Megathreads awakening from their slumber.  Let the sleeping dog lie.

YES. This ^

You cannot eliminate bias in your sample with self-selection.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by krakra70

Originally posted by Damzilla

Simple question, simple answer.

Rules: Question applies to GW2 players only. This poll isn't made to be a representative of the whole community, just a sample of the current MMORPG.com members - players. No trolling, flaming - keep it clean and civil - it's not that hard, is it ?

Keep in mind scientific polls are being made with as low as 500-1000 people to represent opinions of millions of people. Even if only 1% use xfire in statistics it is more than enough.

Good, at least partially correct.

Scientific polls require proper selection of their sample pops.  Self-selection is not good methodology.

Sample sizes are something that laymen tend to consider of paramount importance.  Sampling methods are what statisticians would consider first when vetting each other's work.

Anyway, we risk the verbosity bludgeon monsters of the X-fire Megathreads awakening from their slumber.  Let the sleeping dog lie.

YES. This ^

You cannot eliminate bias in your sample with self-selection.

You guys don't get it. A poll on a forum is self-selection. The metacritic/mmorpg.com user scores are self selection. Xfire is NOT self selection. The vast majority of people who use xfire don't give a rat's ass about game population statistics. People use xfire to enhance their gaming experience, not to "vote" for their favorite game. The few that do are statistically insignificant when you are looking at trends and population shifts.

Originally posted by wartyxwt
You could give me a £10k PC and I still wouldn't use this or any of that bloatware crap companies use to measure their penis size with.

I've heard something similar from a lot of people. While I find Xfire, GamerDNA, PlayFire and other gaming networks to be an interesting source of information and a neat toy, I can completely see why gamers who aren't into these things would not want to waste their system's resources on it. It would be intersting to find what band of the gaming community comprises the majority of XFire users.

Hmmm... looking at XFire, I just noticed that since 2006 I have played almost 500 hours of Asheron's Call. Probably more since I don't always run XFire. I never realized how frequently I would resub to AC until now.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by BadSpock
I HATE Apple products but I'm not an idiot - they are still *the* major player in the consumer tech market.

Actually, Android is beating iPhone big time...

Which is ironic considering the Android is a far inferior product.

Burgers vs Steak, Burgers vs Steak.