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  Stx11

Novice Member

Joined: 11/28/09
Posts: 420

9/30/12 8:39:56 AM#281
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70

new stats for saturday. gw2 at 38.5k, wow at 63.5k.  

 

comparing to last saturday (50.5k) it's a drop of 24%. last week the drop was from 65k to 50.5k (22.3%).

Stats aren't for Saturday... Sept 28 was Friday. Also you are looking at hours played not Players.

Looking at those figures WoW is at 9700 while GW2 is at 8700. I think WoW was at 9600 the day before while GW2 was at ~9000. Hardly the large population shift you seem to be hoping for.

On the other hand, GW2 is #3 and #9 on Amazon's Bestsellers (only being beaten by $5 EVE and 40% off Sleeping Dogs) while WoW MoP fell to #6.

The stats I posted are for saturday the 29th. the amazon bestesellers became irrelevant since digital sales became popular.

My mistake on the dates X-Fire just updated for me...

[mod edit]

[mod edit]

Amazon would only be relevant if we knew what percentage of total WoW/GW2 sales came from amazon, or the exact total sales (and tracked them to find out the weekly changes). A simple ranking system without further info is worthless.

And what about the very small change in Player Numbers?

Or simply the fact that X-Fire numbers are only valid for X-Fire Users and we know from the X-Fire list that it isn't representative of the "general gaming population" at all?

I'm sure both MoP and GW2 are picking up lots of new players, virtually none of which are reflected in X-Fire.

I don't know why you have such a burning pathalogical hatred of GW2 but this idea that there was any kind of "mass exodus" from the game to MoP is both silly and wrong.

Some people have stopped playing and some are playing fewer hours than launch, but then that is true of pretty much any and every game, and from the way things have been trending will be true of MoP very soon as well.

  krakra70

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/05/12
Posts: 127

9/30/12 9:03:15 AM#282
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70

new stats for saturday. gw2 at 38.5k, wow at 63.5k.  

 

comparing to last saturday (50.5k) it's a drop of 24%. last week the drop was from 65k to 50.5k (22.3%).

Stats aren't for Saturday... Sept 28 was Friday. Also you are looking at hours played not Players.

Looking at those figures WoW is at 9700 while GW2 is at 8700. I think WoW was at 9600 the day before while GW2 was at ~9000. Hardly the large population shift you seem to be hoping for.

On the other hand, GW2 is #3 and #9 on Amazon's Bestsellers (only being beaten by $5 EVE and 40% off Sleeping Dogs) while WoW MoP fell to #6.

The stats I posted are for saturday the 29th. the amazon bestesellers became irrelevant since digital sales became popular.

My mistake on the dates X-Fire just updated for me...

[mod edit]

[mod edit]

Amazon would only be relevant if we knew what percentage of total WoW/GW2 sales came from amazon, or the exact total sales (and tracked them to find out the weekly changes). A simple ranking system without further info is worthless.

And what about the very small change in Player Numbers?

if you are comparing the numbers from thursday to friday you are doing it wrong.

Or simply the fact that X-Fire numbers are only valid for X-Fire Users and we know from the X-Fire list that it isn't representative of the "general gaming population" at all?

xfire users are a random selection which is statistically relevant if you can "read the numbers".

I'm sure both MoP and GW2 are picking up lots of new players, virtually none of which are reflected in X-Fire.

why not? are xfire users not allowed to buy games after they release?

I don't know why you have such a burning pathalogical hatred of GW2 but this idea that there was any kind of "mass exodus" from the game to MoP is both silly and wrong.

I don't. I just think it's a bad MMO and doesn't deserve the hype at all. Its place should be among swtor and tera and it's getting there.

Some people have stopped playing and some are playing fewer hours than launch, but then that is true of pretty much any and every game, and from the way things have been trending will be true of MoP very soon as well.

Except WoW peaked 5 years after its release, not 8 days.

 

  Ryowulf

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/28/05
Posts: 668

9/30/12 10:47:01 AM#283
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70

new stats for saturday. gw2 at 38.5k, wow at 63.5k.  

 

comparing to last saturday (50.5k) it's a drop of 24%. last week the drop was from 65k to 50.5k (22.3%).

Stats aren't for Saturday... Sept 28 was Friday. Also you are looking at hours played not Players.

Looking at those figures WoW is at 9700 while GW2 is at 8700. I think WoW was at 9600 the day before while GW2 was at ~9000. Hardly the large population shift you seem to be hoping for.

On the other hand, GW2 is #3 and #9 on Amazon's Bestsellers (only being beaten by $5 EVE and 40% off Sleeping Dogs) while WoW MoP fell to #6.

The stats I posted are for saturday the 29th. the amazon bestesellers became irrelevant since digital sales became popular.

My mistake on the dates X-Fire just updated for me...

[mod edit]

[mod edit]

Amazon would only be relevant if we knew what percentage of total WoW/GW2 sales came from amazon, or the exact total sales (and tracked them to find out the weekly changes). A simple ranking system without further info is worthless.

And what about the very small change in Player Numbers?

if you are comparing the numbers from thursday to friday you are doing it wrong.

Or simply the fact that X-Fire numbers are only valid for X-Fire Users and we know from the X-Fire list that it isn't representative of the "general gaming population" at all?

xfire users are a random selection which is statistically relevant if you can "read the numbers".

I'm sure both MoP and GW2 are picking up lots of new players, virtually none of which are reflected in X-Fire.

why not? are xfire users not allowed to buy games after they release?

I don't know why you have such a burning pathalogical hatred of GW2 but this idea that there was any kind of "mass exodus" from the game to MoP is both silly and wrong.

I don't. I just think it's a bad MMO and doesn't deserve the hype at all. Its place should be among swtor and tera and it's getting there.

Some people have stopped playing and some are playing fewer hours than launch, but then that is true of pretty much any and every game, and from the way things have been trending will be true of MoP very soon as well.

Except WoW peaked 5 years after its release, not 8 days.

 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority.  See what you fail to get or refuse to understand is that Tor and Tera were made to be a sub games. Success for them is/was determined by player retention.

Now try to follow me on this, GW2's success is based on box sales. When an expansion comes out, if it sells poorly then you might be able to say "the game is failing", but at the moment you are simple wrong.

  caetftl

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/29/12
Posts: 311

9/30/12 10:48:39 AM#284
Originally posted by Ryowulf
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70

new stats for saturday. gw2 at 38.5k, wow at 63.5k.  

 

comparing to last saturday (50.5k) it's a drop of 24%. last week the drop was from 65k to 50.5k (22.3%).

Stats aren't for Saturday... Sept 28 was Friday. Also you are looking at hours played not Players.

Looking at those figures WoW is at 9700 while GW2 is at 8700. I think WoW was at 9600 the day before while GW2 was at ~9000. Hardly the large population shift you seem to be hoping for.

On the other hand, GW2 is #3 and #9 on Amazon's Bestsellers (only being beaten by $5 EVE and 40% off Sleeping Dogs) while WoW MoP fell to #6.

The stats I posted are for saturday the 29th. the amazon bestesellers became irrelevant since digital sales became popular.

My mistake on the dates X-Fire just updated for me...

[mod edit]

[mod edit]

Amazon would only be relevant if we knew what percentage of total WoW/GW2 sales came from amazon, or the exact total sales (and tracked them to find out the weekly changes). A simple ranking system without further info is worthless.

And what about the very small change in Player Numbers?

if you are comparing the numbers from thursday to friday you are doing it wrong.

Or simply the fact that X-Fire numbers are only valid for X-Fire Users and we know from the X-Fire list that it isn't representative of the "general gaming population" at all?

xfire users are a random selection which is statistically relevant if you can "read the numbers".

I'm sure both MoP and GW2 are picking up lots of new players, virtually none of which are reflected in X-Fire.

why not? are xfire users not allowed to buy games after they release?

I don't know why you have such a burning pathalogical hatred of GW2 but this idea that there was any kind of "mass exodus" from the game to MoP is both silly and wrong.

I don't. I just think it's a bad MMO and doesn't deserve the hype at all. Its place should be among swtor and tera and it's getting there.

Some people have stopped playing and some are playing fewer hours than launch, but then that is true of pretty much any and every game, and from the way things have been trending will be true of MoP very soon as well.

Except WoW peaked 5 years after its release, not 8 days.

 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority.  See what you fail to get or refuse to understand is that Tor and Tera were made to be a sub games. Success for them is/was determined by player retention.

Now try to follow me on this, GW2's success is based on box sales. When an expansion comes out, if it sells poorly then you might be able to say "the game is failing", but at the moment you are simple wrong.

I thought success was based on the content of the game, not how many boxes it sold.  I guess a success for a gamer, is different than success for a businessman.  You win this battle kotick, but the war isn't over

  Zzad

Hard Core Member

Joined: 2/14/11
Posts: 1272

9/30/12 10:54:44 AM#285
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Ryowulf
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70

new stats for saturday. gw2 at 38.5k, wow at 63.5k.  

 

comparing to last saturday (50.5k) it's a drop of 24%. last week the drop was from 65k to 50.5k (22.3%).

Stats aren't for Saturday... Sept 28 was Friday. Also you are looking at hours played not Players.

Looking at those figures WoW is at 9700 while GW2 is at 8700. I think WoW was at 9600 the day before while GW2 was at ~9000. Hardly the large population shift you seem to be hoping for.

On the other hand, GW2 is #3 and #9 on Amazon's Bestsellers (only being beaten by $5 EVE and 40% off Sleeping Dogs) while WoW MoP fell to #6.

The stats I posted are for saturday the 29th. the amazon bestesellers became irrelevant since digital sales became popular.

My mistake on the dates X-Fire just updated for me...

[mod edit]

[mod edit]

Amazon would only be relevant if we knew what percentage of total WoW/GW2 sales came from amazon, or the exact total sales (and tracked them to find out the weekly changes). A simple ranking system without further info is worthless.

And what about the very small change in Player Numbers?

if you are comparing the numbers from thursday to friday you are doing it wrong.

Or simply the fact that X-Fire numbers are only valid for X-Fire Users and we know from the X-Fire list that it isn't representative of the "general gaming population" at all?

xfire users are a random selection which is statistically relevant if you can "read the numbers".

I'm sure both MoP and GW2 are picking up lots of new players, virtually none of which are reflected in X-Fire.

why not? are xfire users not allowed to buy games after they release?

I don't know why you have such a burning pathalogical hatred of GW2 but this idea that there was any kind of "mass exodus" from the game to MoP is both silly and wrong.

I don't. I just think it's a bad MMO and doesn't deserve the hype at all. Its place should be among swtor and tera and it's getting there.

Some people have stopped playing and some are playing fewer hours than launch, but then that is true of pretty much any and every game, and from the way things have been trending will be true of MoP very soon as well.

Except WoW peaked 5 years after its release, not 8 days.

 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority.  See what you fail to get or refuse to understand is that Tor and Tera were made to be a sub games. Success for them is/was determined by player retention.

Now try to follow me on this, GW2's success is based on box sales. When an expansion comes out, if it sells poorly then you might be able to say "the game is failing", but at the moment you are simple wrong.

I thought success was based on the content of the game, not how many boxes it sold.  I guess a success for a gamer, is different than success for a businessman.  You win this battle kotick, but the war isn't over

Even if you want to base sucess on game content...GW2 is a winner,

GW2 have TONS of content at launch & plenty to do after reaching lvl 80.

Just because it doesn´t have the traditional farmeable Raid doesn´t mean it doesn´t have end-game....

  halflife25

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

9/30/12 10:55:47 AM#286
Originally posted by Ryowulf
 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority.  See what you fail to get or refuse to understand is that Tor and Tera were made to be a sub games. Success for them is/was determined by player retention.

Now try to follow me on this, GW2's success is based on box sales. When an expansion comes out, if it sells poorly then you might be able to say "the game is failing", but at the moment you are simple wrong.

Bull shit. GW2 is not GW1 where the only time you need to be dependent upon other players is when you need to run dungeons or do exploration in hard mode.

GW2 is designed in a way from DE's to W VW where you need decent amount of population to get things done. So nope GW2's success doesn't solely depend upon how many boxes sold but how many are still playing.

Player retention is very important for Anet because if populaiton drops, they will have to merge servers and we know how people usually look at the news of server merges. Also you under estimate the amoutn of revenue Anet can generate from cash shop. They have said time and again they want to expand on it in future.

So he is not the only wrong here.

  caetftl

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/29/12
Posts: 311

9/30/12 10:56:13 AM#287
Originally posted by Zzad
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Ryowulf
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70

new stats for saturday. gw2 at 38.5k, wow at 63.5k.  

 

comparing to last saturday (50.5k) it's a drop of 24%. last week the drop was from 65k to 50.5k (22.3%).

Stats aren't for Saturday... Sept 28 was Friday. Also you are looking at hours played not Players.

Looking at those figures WoW is at 9700 while GW2 is at 8700. I think WoW was at 9600 the day before while GW2 was at ~9000. Hardly the large population shift you seem to be hoping for.

On the other hand, GW2 is #3 and #9 on Amazon's Bestsellers (only being beaten by $5 EVE and 40% off Sleeping Dogs) while WoW MoP fell to #6.

The stats I posted are for saturday the 29th. the amazon bestesellers became irrelevant since digital sales became popular.

My mistake on the dates X-Fire just updated for me...

[mod edit]

[mod edit]

Amazon would only be relevant if we knew what percentage of total WoW/GW2 sales came from amazon, or the exact total sales (and tracked them to find out the weekly changes). A simple ranking system without further info is worthless.

And what about the very small change in Player Numbers?

if you are comparing the numbers from thursday to friday you are doing it wrong.

Or simply the fact that X-Fire numbers are only valid for X-Fire Users and we know from the X-Fire list that it isn't representative of the "general gaming population" at all?

xfire users are a random selection which is statistically relevant if you can "read the numbers".

I'm sure both MoP and GW2 are picking up lots of new players, virtually none of which are reflected in X-Fire.

why not? are xfire users not allowed to buy games after they release?

I don't know why you have such a burning pathalogical hatred of GW2 but this idea that there was any kind of "mass exodus" from the game to MoP is both silly and wrong.

I don't. I just think it's a bad MMO and doesn't deserve the hype at all. Its place should be among swtor and tera and it's getting there.

Some people have stopped playing and some are playing fewer hours than launch, but then that is true of pretty much any and every game, and from the way things have been trending will be true of MoP very soon as well.

Except WoW peaked 5 years after its release, not 8 days.

 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority.  See what you fail to get or refuse to understand is that Tor and Tera were made to be a sub games. Success for them is/was determined by player retention.

Now try to follow me on this, GW2's success is based on box sales. When an expansion comes out, if it sells poorly then you might be able to say "the game is failing", but at the moment you are simple wrong.

I thought success was based on the content of the game, not how many boxes it sold.  I guess a success for a gamer, is different than success for a businessman.  You win this battle kotick, but the war isn't over

Even if you want to base sucess on game content...GW2 is a winner,

GW2 have TONS of content at launch & plenty to do after reaching lvl 80.

Just because it doesn´t have the traditional farmeable Raid doesn´t mean it doesn´t have end-game....

Well all the old big mmorpgs had enough launch content to last more than 3 days for hardcore gamers....  3 days is about when most of the hardcore mmorpgers got bored of gw2. 

Also what wealth of content does gw2 have that isn't just some farmable content? 

 

If players are bored, players are bored, you can go exclaiming there is tons of content, but people got bored faster in gw2, by about 5-10x than any other AAA mmo i've seen launched, to date. 

  krakra70

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9/30/12 10:56:57 AM#288
Originally posted by Ryowulf
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70

new stats for saturday. gw2 at 38.5k, wow at 63.5k.  

 

comparing to last saturday (50.5k) it's a drop of 24%. last week the drop was from 65k to 50.5k (22.3%).

Stats aren't for Saturday... Sept 28 was Friday. Also you are looking at hours played not Players.

Looking at those figures WoW is at 9700 while GW2 is at 8700. I think WoW was at 9600 the day before while GW2 was at ~9000. Hardly the large population shift you seem to be hoping for.

On the other hand, GW2 is #3 and #9 on Amazon's Bestsellers (only being beaten by $5 EVE and 40% off Sleeping Dogs) while WoW MoP fell to #6.

The stats I posted are for saturday the 29th. the amazon bestesellers became irrelevant since digital sales became popular.

My mistake on the dates X-Fire just updated for me...

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Amazon would only be relevant if we knew what percentage of total WoW/GW2 sales came from amazon, or the exact total sales (and tracked them to find out the weekly changes). A simple ranking system without further info is worthless.

And what about the very small change in Player Numbers?

if you are comparing the numbers from thursday to friday you are doing it wrong.

Or simply the fact that X-Fire numbers are only valid for X-Fire Users and we know from the X-Fire list that it isn't representative of the "general gaming population" at all?

xfire users are a random selection which is statistically relevant if you can "read the numbers".

I'm sure both MoP and GW2 are picking up lots of new players, virtually none of which are reflected in X-Fire.

why not? are xfire users not allowed to buy games after they release?

I don't know why you have such a burning pathalogical hatred of GW2 but this idea that there was any kind of "mass exodus" from the game to MoP is both silly and wrong.

I don't. I just think it's a bad MMO and doesn't deserve the hype at all. Its place should be among swtor and tera and it's getting there.

Some people have stopped playing and some are playing fewer hours than launch, but then that is true of pretty much any and every game, and from the way things have been trending will be true of MoP very soon as well.

Except WoW peaked 5 years after its release, not 8 days.

 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority.  See what you fail to get or refuse to understand is that Tor and Tera were made to be a sub games. Success for them is/was determined by player retention.

Now try to follow me on this, GW2's success is based on box sales. When an expansion comes out, if it sells poorly then you might be able to say "the game is failing", but at the moment you are simple wrong.

I never said GW2 isn't a success. It is a success but also a bad game. Just like D3.

  Stx11

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9/30/12 11:21:45 AM#289
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Ryowulf 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority... but at the moment you are simple wrong.

I never said GW2 isn't a success. It is a success but also a bad game. Just like D3.

Critical Reviews, Amazon Reviews, General Player Perception, Metacritic... all prove that you are wrong about it being a bad game.

Maybe it is to you and a minority of other people, but general consensus puts you in a noticeable minority.

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  krakra70

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9/30/12 11:33:06 AM#290
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Ryowulf 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority... but at the moment you are simple wrong.

I never said GW2 isn't a success. It is a success but also a bad game. Just like D3.

Critical Reviews, Amazon Reviews, General Player Perception, Metacritic... all prove that you are wrong about it being a bad game.

Maybe it is to you and a minority of other people, but general consensus puts you in a noticeable minority.

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Yet the population is shrinking faster than SWTOR when it was released.

  Eir_S

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9/30/12 11:36:40 AM#291
Originally posted by krakra70

Yet the population is shrinking faster than SWTOR when it was released.

They released population statistics?  Cool, where?  Or is this a "fact" like "GW2 is a bad game"?

  Wraithone

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9/30/12 11:37:29 AM#292
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Ryowulf 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority... but at the moment you are simple wrong.

I never said GW2 isn't a success. It is a success but also a bad game. Just like D3.

Critical Reviews, Amazon Reviews, General Player Perception, Metacritic... all prove that you are wrong about it being a bad game.

Maybe it is to you and a minority of other people, but general consensus puts you in a noticeable minority.

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"Something positive"?  You might wish to consider the same, rather than wasting your time defending a game that doesn't require it. ^^  GW2 isn't The One True Game(tm), but its not a bad game.  Its combat system isn't really to my taste, but then to each their own. 

  Zzad

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9/30/12 11:37:33 AM#293
Originally posted by caetftl
 

Well all the old big mmorpgs had enough launch content to last more than 3 days for hardcore gamers....  3 days is about when most of the hardcore mmorpgers got bored of gw2. 

Also what wealth of content does gw2 have that isn't just some farmable content? 

 

If players are bored, players are bored, you can go exclaiming there is tons of content, but people got bored faster in gw2, by about 5-10x than any other AAA mmo i've seen launched, to date. 

I´m playing since Headstart,My highest level char is 63 now,and i´m not bored,not even close!

So hardcore mmorpgers completed ALL content in 3 days?? Well they must be missing A LOT of it then...

There is not possible way you can achieve all in 3 days... and if you get bored...well would that change if you had a Raid to farm a thousand times? is that what you mean by "more content to last more than 3 days?"

GW2 has no Raids... but has plenty of content...maybe it´s just not the game for you.... it can´t appeal to everyone....

For example, I tried TSW and got bored pretty quick...not saying its a bad game..just not "my" game.

Hope you find a game where you have countless fun ;)

  Stx11

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9/30/12 11:41:34 AM#294
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Ryowulf 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority... but at the moment you are simple wrong.

I never said GW2 isn't a success. It is a success but also a bad game. Just like D3.

Critical Reviews, Amazon Reviews, General Player Perception, Metacritic... all prove that you are wrong about it being a bad game.

Maybe it is to you and a minority of other people, but general consensus puts you in a noticeable minority.

As I said before, you are such a poor bitter muppet - wasting all this time on misplaced hate and vitrol instead of finding something positive to do with your life.

Yet the population is shrinking faster than SWTOR when it was released.

Only in X-Fire. See if you actually played the game you would know that Servers are almost all High/Full, that Lion's Arch and Queensdale still have overflow, that no matter what zone I've played in (and I play in a lot of different Level ranges farming Crafting Mats) there are regularly people around and plenty always show up when a DE pops. WvW still has queues.

I've said it before, but notice what is missing in the GW2 forums compared to SWTOR at this time? NO threads complaining about needing LFG, or how the world is empty, or how cities (Fleet) are dead.

So yeah, maybe the X-Fire Population is shrinking faster than SWTOR, but the General Population isn't.

Sorry that upsets you so much and you don't have anything better to do with your life than "keep on hatin!"

  Stx11

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9/30/12 11:48:03 AM#295
Originally posted by Wraithone

"Something positive"?  You might wish to consider the same, rather than wasting your time defending a game that doesn't require it. ^^  GW2 isn't The One True Game(tm), but its not a bad game.  Its combat system isn't really to my taste, but then to each their own. 

I don't like people that do nothing but spread hate and vitrol where it's not needed, wanted, or in any way beneficial.

And isn't it funny that only "haters" ever refer to GW2 as "The One True Game(tm)" or any of that other BS - you're right it's a good game but not for everyone. I and many other fans of the game have said that many, many times in many, many threads.

The game is both a critical and popular success. There was no "mass exodus" for MoP.

Stopping people who aren't even playing the game from spreading lies and misinformation is important, and the same can be said for fans of any game when dealing with Trolls and Haters in their own game's forums.

(besides, it gives me something to do during commercials for NFL pregame!)

  Eir_S

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9/30/12 11:50:28 AM#296
Originally posted by Stx11

The game is both a critical and popular success. There was no "mass exodus" for MoP.

This is the entire point of the thread.  This "mass exodus" simply didn't happen.  Show's over.

  bcbully

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9/30/12 11:51:51 AM#297
Originally posted by Stx11

Yet the population is shrinking faster than SWTOR when it was released.

Only in X-Fire. See if you actually played the game you would know that Servers are almost all High/Full, that Lion's Arch and Queensdale still have overflow, that no matter what zone I've played in (and I play in a lot of different Level ranges farming Crafting Mats) there are regularly people around and plenty always show up when a DE pops. WvW still has queues.

I've said it before, but notice what is missing in the GW2 forums compared to SWTOR at this time? NO threads complaining about needing LFG, or how the world is empty, or how cities (Fleet) are dead.

So yeah, maybe the X-Fire Population is shrinking faster than SWTOR, but the General Population isn't.

Sorry that upsets you so much and you don't have anything better to do with your life than "keep on hatin!"

People said the same thing about WoW, RIFT, Swtor, and I said the same thing about TSW (I didn't, but I wanted too...) when the Xfire slide became apparrent. The writting is on the wall. The question is, where is the bottom? 

 

  Stx11

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9/30/12 12:08:40 PM#298
Originally posted by bcbully

People said the same thing about WoW, RIFT, Swtor, and I said the same thing about TSW (I didn't, but I wanted too...) when the Xfire slide became apparrent. The writting is on the wall. The question is, where is the bottom? 

The only difference I see here Bully is that GW2 is still selling well, and that the Servers are still highly populated.

Now maybe that will change in a month, or maybe it won't.

GW2 is a different game designed for a different audience. It isn't designed for "endgame focused content consuming raiders" nor for "open world PvP" fans - two groups that I'd argue are really well-represented on X-Fire based on the top games. From sales data and popularity I expect there are a lot of very successful and popular games that simply don't trend well on X-Fire. GW2 might be the "X-Fire Trend Breaker" - that doesn't mean it will happen, but it is a definite possibility. 

One very important thing to keep in mind though - all those other games had to add Servers to handle the initial rush and were left with a lot of "ghost towns" after the locusts moved on. GW2 didn't. As long as Server Populations are high enough to participate enjoyably in the content provided the game is fine.

  GeezerGamer

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9/30/12 12:14:11 PM#299


Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by Stx11 The game is both a critical and popular success. There was no "mass exodus" for MoP.
This is the entire point of the thread.  This "mass exodus" simply didn't happen.  Show's over.

My personal opinion is that there was no exodus. That said, can you please show me your evidence to prove that it didn't? Let's see your numbers that allowed you to make the claim "Show's over."

As I recall, ANET expanded their server capacities in the early days to allow for the increased population levels. Although, I may be mistaken in that. Either way, It's a very common practice and all major MMOs constantly adjust the server population thresholds. The reality, is they are just not an accurate measure of the overall populations in terms of numbers but are only good for determining the relative populations against other servers.

Also, Xfire's overall numbers only reflect those players that actually use the software, so it's only a sampling that might be used to determine trends within the game, but the numbers are meaningless for the overall populations.


I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  krakra70

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9/30/12 12:17:09 PM#300
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by bcbully

People said the same thing about WoW, RIFT, Swtor, and I said the same thing about TSW (I didn't, but I wanted too...) when the Xfire slide became apparrent. The writting is on the wall. The question is, where is the bottom? 

The only difference I see here Bully is that GW2 is still selling well, and that the Servers are still highly populated.

Now maybe that will change in a month, or maybe it won't.

GW2 is a different game designed for a different audience. It isn't designed for "endgame focused content consuming raiders" nor for "open world PvP" fans - two groups that I'd argue are really well-represented on X-Fire based on the top games. From sales data and popularity I expect there are a lot of very successful and popular games that simply don't trend well on X-Fire. GW2 might be the "X-Fire Trend Breaker" - that doesn't mean it will happen, but it is a definite possibility. 

One very important thing to keep in mind though - all those other games had to add Servers to handle the initial rush and were left with a lot of "ghost towns" after the locusts moved on. GW2 didn't. As long as Server Populations are high enough to participate enjoyably in the content provided the game is fine.

I'm not sure those medium/high/full are genuine. My server who is medium since launch was empty in level 15-70 maps last time I played. They were very well populated in the first weeks, yet the server is still called medium.

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