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  ElSandman

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9/25/12 9:09:08 PM#41
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 

 GW2 2.2 million boxes sold.....

While we are on this topic, please point ot the source of this 2.2 million.. I have only seen an annoucement of 2 million.

  GeezerGamer

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It's a combination of Nightingale Armor with the Mod Truebound Deadric Armors

9/25/12 9:10:13 PM#42
Originally posted by chryses

Be interesting to see how many people play WoW and GW2 together or swap between.  Most of my friends are swapping between GW2, Vanguard and EvE.  None of them are playing or considering WoW at all. 

I have never touched WoW and even though its off topic, I don't have Xfire installed. So I will be one of the players that doesn't show up on Xfire and won't be moving to WoW. 

 

The overlap is probably very large

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  Rokurgepta

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9/25/12 9:12:05 PM#43
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

...

Sorry, but I have some bad news for you.  Very little of the sample time included time when MoP was live in NA.  So how about we check back on this chart tomorrow, same time?

 What time was MoP live in NA today? Has it been down all day?

 

Volkons OP says that was the count when he posted, that was an hour and 15 minutes ago or basically primetime east coast USA. Are you claiming MoP was not live an hour ago?

Xfire records usage stats across a 24-hour period and then charts this information once per day.  The 24-hour sample used in this thread does not include a full 24 hours of MoP.  So lets see how the numbers stack up tomorrow when there is a full 24 hours in the comparison.

 

 The OP was going off of the in game servers from GW2. They have NOTHING to do with Xfire. He was stating that the GW2 servers are not empty as some claimed might happen today. You quoted the OP which had NOTHING to do with Xfire. Read the OP and try again.

Can you point me to a formally released definition of what those server status' actually mean?  I don't believe it is what you think it means - has it revealed why there are virtually no overflow servers required anywhere anymore, for example?

So in the absence of useful formally provided information from Anet, I am much more interested in the statistically significant sample of users on Xfire, and what the trend shows. 

[I don't really care what the OP feels is a reliable way of viewing the impact of another product on this one.  Especially if it isn't!]

 

 

 Easy way to tell that the server status is players online at the moment. Try to create a new character on a currently full server. Get a message saying server is full. Go back to the server at say 4 am when it might say medium or high and try to make character, see how the server lets you because it is NO LONGER FULL. This concludes the educational portion of our program.

 

The fact is the servers are not empty on the day MoP was released. Some said today would be the day GW2 died, its not.

 

I dont care what you believe about what I think it means. I know what it means.

 

How is the Xfire crowd statistically significant when if they were all on at the same time they would fill one server? 2 million or more boxes sold and to you 11k Xfire players is statistically significant? Only for a hater who wants to play pretend.

  Rokurgepta

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9/25/12 9:17:10 PM#44
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 

 GW2 2.2 million boxes sold.....

While we are on this topic, please point ot the source of this 2.2 million.. I have only seen an annoucement of 2 million.

 You are right as of two weeks ago it was over 2 million. My mistake in adding the .2 which is unknown still.

  ElSandman

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Joined: 6/28/12
Posts: 94

9/25/12 9:19:35 PM#45
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

...

Sorry, but I have some bad news for you.  Very little of the sample time included time when MoP was live in NA.  So how about we check back on this chart tomorrow, same time?

 What time was MoP live in NA today? Has it been down all day?

 

Volkons OP says that was the count when he posted, that was an hour and 15 minutes ago or basically primetime east coast USA. Are you claiming MoP was not live an hour ago?

Xfire records usage stats across a 24-hour period and then charts this information once per day.  The 24-hour sample used in this thread does not include a full 24 hours of MoP.  So lets see how the numbers stack up tomorrow when there is a full 24 hours in the comparison.

 

 The OP was going off of the in game servers from GW2. They have NOTHING to do with Xfire. He was stating that the GW2 servers are not empty as some claimed might happen today. You quoted the OP which had NOTHING to do with Xfire. Read the OP and try again.

Can you point me to a formally released definition of what those server status' actually mean?  I don't believe it is what you think it means - has it revealed why there are virtually no overflow servers required anywhere anymore, for example?

So in the absence of useful formally provided information from Anet, I am much more interested in the statistically significant sample of users on Xfire, and what the trend shows. 

[I don't really care what the OP feels is a reliable way of viewing the impact of another product on this one.  Especially if it isn't!]

 

 

 Easy way to tell that the server status is players online at the moment. Try to create a new character on a currently full server. Get a message saying server is full. Go back to the server at say 4 am when it might say medium or high and try to make character, see how the server lets you because it is NO LONGER FULL. This concludes the educational portion of our program.

 

The fact is the servers are not empty on the day MoP was released. Some said today would be the day GW2 died, its not.

 

I dont care what you believe about what I think it means. I know what it means.

 

How is the Xfire crowd statistically significant when if they were all on at the same time they would fill one server? 2.2 million or more boxes sold and to you 11k Xfire players is statistically significant? Only for a hater who wants to play pretend.

So you think these server statuses are changing through the day based on the number of people logged in - amusing.  (The only change occurring is from people transferring servers, the ones that are full wont let anybody in at any time right now).

- alright it looks like I am wrong on this point as it is now showing 3 medium and the rest high, none full - just after midnight EST.  However we still do not know what these categories actually mean in terms of online numbers.  XFire is still the best source of trend information we have

 

Please learn something about statustics before you come here and post how 11k (actually 9k now) is not statistically significant.

 

 

  Rokurgepta

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Joined: 8/15/08
Posts: 2208

9/25/12 9:25:38 PM#46
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

...

Sorry, but I have some bad news for you.  Very little of the sample time included time when MoP was live in NA.  So how about we check back on this chart tomorrow, same time?

 What time was MoP live in NA today? Has it been down all day?

 

Volkons OP says that was the count when he posted, that was an hour and 15 minutes ago or basically primetime east coast USA. Are you claiming MoP was not live an hour ago?

Xfire records usage stats across a 24-hour period and then charts this information once per day.  The 24-hour sample used in this thread does not include a full 24 hours of MoP.  So lets see how the numbers stack up tomorrow when there is a full 24 hours in the comparison.

 

 The OP was going off of the in game servers from GW2. They have NOTHING to do with Xfire. He was stating that the GW2 servers are not empty as some claimed might happen today. You quoted the OP which had NOTHING to do with Xfire. Read the OP and try again.

Can you point me to a formally released definition of what those server status' actually mean?  I don't believe it is what you think it means - has it revealed why there are virtually no overflow servers required anywhere anymore, for example?

So in the absence of useful formally provided information from Anet, I am much more interested in the statistically significant sample of users on Xfire, and what the trend shows. 

[I don't really care what the OP feels is a reliable way of viewing the impact of another product on this one.  Especially if it isn't!]

 

 

 Easy way to tell that the server status is players online at the moment. Try to create a new character on a currently full server. Get a message saying server is full. Go back to the server at say 4 am when it might say medium or high and try to make character, see how the server lets you because it is NO LONGER FULL. This concludes the educational portion of our program.

 

The fact is the servers are not empty on the day MoP was released. Some said today would be the day GW2 died, its not.

 

I dont care what you believe about what I think it means. I know what it means.

 

How is the Xfire crowd statistically significant when if they were all on at the same time they would fill one server? 2.2 million or more boxes sold and to you 11k Xfire players is statistically significant? Only for a hater who wants to play pretend.

So you think these server statuses are changing through the day based on the number of people logged in - amusing.  (The only change occurring is from people transferring servers, the ones that are full wont let anybody in at any time right now).

 

Please learn something about statustics before you come here and post how 11k (actually 9k now) is not statistically significant.

 

 

 9k out of 2 million is not significant. It can show a trend among those people only, it is not proof of a trend in game. You sound like a political pollster who thinks asking 2000 people in a state shows what the whole state of 7 million think.

 

You think the servers only change when someone transfers off that server? Talk about amusing and uninformed. Go on at 4am EST time and see what the servers say. If they match what the servers say right now you might have a point, but I have looked at that time and they dont match.

 

If the server says full of course it wont let you on. Wow imagine that. You sure showed me how knowledgable you are about this game right there.

  ElSandman

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Joined: 6/28/12
Posts: 94

9/25/12 9:35:32 PM#47
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
...

So you think these server statuses are changing through the day based on the number of people logged in - amusing.  (The only change occurring is from people transferring servers, the ones that are full wont let anybody in at any time right now).

 

Please learn something about statustics before you come here and post how 11k (actually 9k now) is not statistically significant.

 

 

 9k out of 2 million is not significant. It can show a trend among those people only, it is not proof of a trend in game. You sound like a political pollster who thinks asking 2000 people in a state shows what the whole state of 7 million think.

 

You think the servers only change when someone transfers off that server? Talk about amusing and uninformed. Go on at 4am EST time and see what the servers say. If they match what the servers say right now you might have a point, but I have looked at that time and they dont match.

 

If the server says full of course it wont let you on. Wow imagine that. You sure showed me how knowledgable you are about this game right there.

Well, you know funnily enough I live in Australia, so it is really easy for me to see what it says at 4am EST.  Guess what, it supports what I have already told you, it shows the same thing.  (At least it did yesterday and previous days, so I am guessing it will today too).

 

  Volkon

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Posts: 3813

Facts do not require fiction for balance.

 
OP  9/25/12 9:36:16 PM#48
Interesting fact everyone in this thread (most at least) is overlooking... if you begin to fall asleep, your finger will continue to hold the "W" key down.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Rokurgepta

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Posts: 2208

9/25/12 9:41:28 PM#49
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
...

So you think these server statuses are changing through the day based on the number of people logged in - amusing.  (The only change occurring is from people transferring servers, the ones that are full wont let anybody in at any time right now).

 

Please learn something about statustics before you come here and post how 11k (actually 9k now) is not statistically significant.

 

 

 9k out of 2 million is not significant. It can show a trend among those people only, it is not proof of a trend in game. You sound like a political pollster who thinks asking 2000 people in a state shows what the whole state of 7 million think.

 

You think the servers only change when someone transfers off that server? Talk about amusing and uninformed. Go on at 4am EST time and see what the servers say. If they match what the servers say right now you might have a point, but I have looked at that time and they dont match.

 

If the server says full of course it wont let you on. Wow imagine that. You sure showed me how knowledgable you are about this game right there.

Well, you know funnily enough I live in Australia, so it is really easy for me to see what it says at 4am EST.  Guess what, it supports what I have already told you, it shows the same thing.  (At least it did yesterday and previous days, so I am guessing it will today too).

 

 Its at this point I dismiss you as a liar. It does not show the same thing. Its not due to people switching servers. Go play WoW since you seem to be a fan and stop trolling here. When you first posted you thought the OP was talking about Xfire. From the start you have been unable to know the truth. Nothing has changed.

 

You are also wrong on there being no overflows anymore. Sunday 1 PM I stepped out of DR(human starting city) and into the overflow server. So far it seems everything you say is of dubious honesty at best.

  DMKano

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9/25/12 9:41:34 PM#50
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

I think XFire is a fine tool to predict the popularity trends of various games. It's been pretty accurate so far in other instances.

Look at the thread about XFire and SWTOR. It pretty much shows a predictive downward path that culminated in EA having to restructure..

swtor server loads also followed the declining xfire numbers... gw2 has not.. obviously servers are down a bit from launch but still very active and not showing even close to the drop xfire shows.. and that's even with a big MMO xpac launch today

 

Interesting - on my server there has been a pretty noticable drop  in players across low/mid and high zones (I have a lv 80 character a lvl 45 and a few level 5-15s) - so I've checked out high,mid and low level zones that were even 2 weeks ago during peek time a LOT more populated, now the zones are quite a bit emptier all around.

Maybe it's just my server - but it is quite noticable, there are significantly less players online for the past week, so this cannot be attributed to MOP or other games that launched in the last couple of days - players pops are dropping, and Xfire shows that trend pretty accurately.

Rumor is that GW2 did ok, but it didn't even hit internal numbers that NCSoft/Anet projected in sales, so even at 2+ mil initial sales it underperfomed.

I personally think that 2mil initial sales is awesome - but I guess I don't know what the actual costs they are trying to recoupe, I wouldn't be surprised that total GW2 cost was in the 100-150mil range.

Ultimately what will make or break the game is not initial sales, but how much RL cash each player is going to part with as they continue to play GW2.

So the best suport for the game is to keep spending cash on items

 

  ElSandman

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9/25/12 9:46:08 PM#51
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman

....

Well, you know funnily enough I live in Australia, so it is really easy for me to see what it says at 4am EST.  Guess what, it supports what I have already told you, it shows the same thing.  (At least it did yesterday and previous days, so I am guessing it will today too).

 

 Its at this point I dismiss you as a liar. It does not show the same thing. Its not due to people switching servers. Go play WoW since you seem to be a fan and stop trolling here. When you first posted you thought the OP was talking about Xfire. From the start you have been unable to know the truth. Nothing has changed.

 

You are also wrong on there being no overflows anymore. Sunday 1 PM I stepped out of DR(human starting city) and into the overflow server. So far it seems everything you say is of dubious honesty at best.

Instead of being obnoxious and rude, set your alarm for 4am and go check yourself.

 

The incidence of overflow servers has gone from ever-present to almost nowhere to be seen.

 

  Volkon

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Facts do not require fiction for balance.

 
OP  9/25/12 9:49:25 PM#52
10:48 PM, eastern US. Been in queue for Borderlands for 45 minutes. Oy.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Rokurgepta

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9/25/12 9:50:32 PM#53
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman

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Well, you know funnily enough I live in Australia, so it is really easy for me to see what it says at 4am EST.  Guess what, it supports what I have already told you, it shows the same thing.  (At least it did yesterday and previous days, so I am guessing it will today too).

 

 Its at this point I dismiss you as a liar. It does not show the same thing. Its not due to people switching servers. Go play WoW since you seem to be a fan and stop trolling here. When you first posted you thought the OP was talking about Xfire. From the start you have been unable to know the truth. Nothing has changed.

 

You are also wrong on there being no overflows anymore. Sunday 1 PM I stepped out of DR(human starting city) and into the overflow server. So far it seems everything you say is of dubious honesty at best.

Instead of being obnoxious and rude, set your alarm for 4am and go check yourself.

 

The incidence of overflow servers has gone from ever-present to almost nowhere to be seen.

 

 I am on at 4 am EVERY DAY. I dont need an alarm to see what I see every single night I play. Do you really think I would use a time that I have not been there and seen before? Sorry but unlike some other posters I tend to use things I have seen instead of making them up and hoping I am right.

 

Overflow still happens in the low level human area on my server, you can claim anything you want. You can deny truth all you want. Nothing you say changed reality in any way. Your claims are not true. You can say them 25 times and reword them any way you want, you still cant bend reality to fit your version of it.

  observer

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9/25/12 9:51:57 PM#54

Obligatory Xfire claim.

Why do people still use Xfire as a benchmark?  It's VERY small sample size of players.  It's like how polling works during elections, and we all know those polls are meaningless.

  DMKano

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9/25/12 10:04:44 PM#55
Originally posted by observer

Obligatory Xfire claim.

Why do people still use Xfire as a benchmark?  It's VERY small sample size of players.  It's like how polling works during elections, and we all know those polls are meaningless.

On contrary polling is very accurate in showing trends - which is what Xfire does. 

Also I think you meant to say "I" instead of we in that last sentence, as the majority of the world still uses polls as it's been shown time and time again that they are indeed good indicators of trends.

At one point the masses believed that the earth was flat and that ships would fall of the edge of the Earth if they tried to sail too far off the coast. Later it was proven wrong so those old beliefs became meaningless.

I think we are all not quite there as far as the effectivness of polls :)

  Angier2758

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9/25/12 11:42:11 PM#56

Server population is about the same as it was 2 weeks ago...

 

Half full half high 2 med ....

 

 

Plus that graph was proven to be BS that or xfire puked.

  ElSandman

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9/26/12 12:18:57 AM#57

Ok it does look like the server online populations are reflected in these "statuses" as they are currently showing 3 medium, and the rest high, none full.

 

Still, since we have no idea what the actual numbers are from these statuses, the best trend information we have is still provided by Xfire.

  Rokurgepta

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9/26/12 12:18:57 AM#58
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman

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Well, you know funnily enough I live in Australia, so it is really easy for me to see what it says at 4am EST.  Guess what, it supports what I have already told you, it shows the same thing.  (At least it did yesterday and previous days, so I am guessing it will today too).

 

 Its at this point I dismiss you as a liar. It does not show the same thing. Its not due to people switching servers. Go play WoW since you seem to be a fan and stop trolling here. When you first posted you thought the OP was talking about Xfire. From the start you have been unable to know the truth. Nothing has changed.

 

You are also wrong on there being no overflows anymore. Sunday 1 PM I stepped out of DR(human starting city) and into the overflow server. So far it seems everything you say is of dubious honesty at best.

Instead of being obnoxious and rude, set your alarm for 4am and go check yourself.

 

The incidence of overflow servers has gone from ever-present to almost nowhere to be seen.

 

I just logged on it is 1:17 AM on the East Coast USA and the servers are 3 medium the rest high with no full server. Is this enough proof for you that your claim of servers never changing due to current online population is false? There is no full server at this time in the USA. If you claim had a shred of reality then we would still see 10 full servers but we dont. My claim is true, yours was not. Have a nice day.

 

 

  Rokurgepta

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9/26/12 12:19:43 AM#59
Originally posted by ElSandman

Ok it does look like the server online populations are reflected in these "statuses" as they are currently showing 3 medium, and the rest high, none full.

 

Still, since we have no idea what the actual numbers are from these statuses, the best trend information we have is still provided by Xfire.

Well done when proven wrong go back to Xfire claims. Just more avoiding of the reality.

  bcbully

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9/26/12 12:32:50 AM#60
Originally posted by eggy08

I think it's 38k right now

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Well it was relevent when SWTOR was, 'dying', according to these forums....

I suppose the magic of GW2 makes anything negative, agenda-based nonsence eh?

I suppose that if you assume one thing is true in one case that it is true in all?

When we are talking about Xfire, yes. Tomorrows graph will give us a good look at what MoP did. 

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