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  User Deleted
9/25/12 8:25:14 PM#21
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

I think XFire is a fine tool to predict the popularity trends of various games. It's been pretty accurate so far in other instances.

Look at the thread about XFire and SWTOR. It pretty much shows a predictive downward path that culminated in EA having to restructure..

Or becuase they went off their own numbers declining instead?

Idk about you but I don't trust outside sources for my information, same way I don't trust strange vans for my candy. They might seem appealing at first, I mean its hard to pass up free candy, but sometimes they might be wrong, and then you get a bit butt hurt when you are. Just saying.

  Corvusco

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9/25/12 8:26:58 PM#22
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Could it be possible that GW2 and WoW are not sharing as many users as some think?

 

Personally I dont play WoW so there was zero chance that the release of MoP was going to make me make a decision today. I am sure I am not the only person in GW2 with no WoW account to go back to.

I played WoW for many years and i always bought the expansions even though i was never hardcore. I played in my own style till max lvl, did some dungeons/pvp and when i had to do Raids i would stop playing :). That happened almost everytime.

 I thought the same would happen with MoP but as i stand now it didn't. A few months ago i was thinking of buying MoP just to add it to the collection but now i don't think it will happen or at least not in the near future.

 Played today around 20 minutes on the starter edition and made a panda hunter but after i thought....why bother when i have GW2? Seriously why play the same old, same old "won't change a thing" when i can play the game i like.

  Sevenstar61

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9/25/12 8:29:10 PM#23

WoW dip was pretty significant with GW2 release, no doubt about it, it's boucing back though and I am curious about data tomorrow when moP release will be captured. These data below does not have MoP yet included.

SWTOR is more the same patern weekly, the dip is for day when servers were down for half a day.


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  Rokurgepta

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9/25/12 8:29:12 PM#24
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

I think XFire is a fine tool to predict the popularity trends of various games. It's been pretty accurate so far in other instances.

Look at the thread about XFire and SWTOR. It pretty much shows a predictive downward path that culminated in EA having to restructure..

 GW2 2.2 million boxes sold. Xfire has 11k GW2 players. Sorry but thats too small a number for me to say represents the population as a whole.

 

Is Xfire a good cross section of gamers? By that I mean casual and hardcore? I dont use it so I dont know but if Xfire users trend more towards the 5+ hour a day gaming crowd then I expect them to in general flood a game for the first couple of weeks and quickly move on.

  Aerowyn

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9/25/12 8:29:16 PM#25
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

I think XFire is a fine tool to predict the popularity trends of various games. It's been pretty accurate so far in other instances.

Look at the thread about XFire and SWTOR. It pretty much shows a predictive downward path that culminated in EA having to restructure..

swtor server loads also followed the declining xfire numbers... gw2 has not.. obviously servers are down a bit from launch but still very active and not showing even close to the drop xfire shows.. and that's even with a big MMO xpac launch today

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  KingJiggly

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9/25/12 8:37:28 PM#26
We still make up over 30% with mop release date of all time on MMOs.... Don't see how that is bad. Gw2 actually has 1/3 , wow 1/3, and whatever other MMOs y'all trolls trolls play 1/3. So suck it. 

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  User Deleted
9/25/12 8:39:02 PM#27
Originally posted by KingJiggly
We still make up over 30% with mop release date of all time on MMOs.... Don't see how that is bad. Gw2 actually has 1/3 , wow 1/3, and whatever other MMOs y'all trolls trolls play 1/3. So suck it. 

They play open world forum PvP. Pretty sure thats not listed though.

  ElSandman

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9/25/12 8:40:56 PM#28
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

...

Sorry, but I have some bad news for you.  Very little of the sample time included time when MoP was live in NA.  So how about we check back on this chart tomorrow, same time?

  slickbizzle

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9/25/12 8:42:04 PM#29
I have to admit: I was a little surprised to see the server I'm on so packed with people. I thought I would see a big decline.
  Rokurgepta

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9/25/12 8:43:01 PM#30
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

...

Sorry, but I have some bad news for you.  Very little of the sample time included time when MoP was live in NA.  So how about we check back on this chart tomorrow, same time?

 What time was MoP live in NA today? Has it been down all day?

 

Volkons OP says that was the count when he posted, that was an hour and 15 minutes ago or basically primetime east coast USA. Are you claiming MoP was not live an hour ago?

  RathanX26

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9/25/12 8:44:52 PM#31

So... Forgive me for asking this question, but xfire measures only those with xfire installed, so i play GW2 but don't use xfire, then i am not counted, correct?

So these numbers represent those that use xfire and not the over all player base?

Reason I ask is because the graph on WoW that was posted shows that more people are currently playing GW2 on the 25th then playing WoW on the 25th. But wow has like 9 million active subscriptions and GW2 only sold what like 2.2 million boxes?

From my take on this, I would guess xfire may not be the best measurement of how a game is doing. It may show a trend about people who use xfire that are playing the game, but it seems kinda far fetched to say a game is doing good or bad based on the numbers provided by xfire. Course, this is my take and i wasn't exactly around for the storm that was swtor.

To the op however- did you die when you fell off the cliff? Cause i noticed that if i am at full health, i have yet to find a cliff dive where jumping would kill me.


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  aesperus

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9/25/12 8:46:12 PM#32
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

 

The bad news... I kind of drifted off during an event in Orr (didn't sleep much last night) and ran off a cliff.

Lol. Tbh I wasn't really worried about that, but sorry to hear about your Orr event, lmfao.

You gotta be kinda careful there, even if you don't run off a cliff, it's not uncommon to have a random zombie yank you across the map and start munching on your brains.

  KingJiggly

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9/25/12 8:47:48 PM#33

 

♦ Guild Wars 2 (32.9%)

♦ World of Warcraft (30.5%)

♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (3.4%)

♦ Aion (3.0%)

♦ Metin 2 (2.3%)

♦ Eve Online (2.3%)

♦ Other (25.6%)

 

 

How bout post all the facts trolls. This is right from xfire, front MMO page. Yeah wwe hit drop. Still make more population than y'all! Of course, xfire doesn't represent all the population. But why not fight fire with fire?

 

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  ElSandman

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9/25/12 8:50:46 PM#34
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

...

Sorry, but I have some bad news for you.  Very little of the sample time included time when MoP was live in NA.  So how about we check back on this chart tomorrow, same time?

 What time was MoP live in NA today? Has it been down all day?

 

Volkons OP says that was the count when he posted, that was an hour and 15 minutes ago or basically primetime east coast USA. Are you claiming MoP was not live an hour ago?

Xfire records usage stats across a 24-hour period and then charts this information once per day.  The 24-hour sample used in this thread does not include a full 24 hours of MoP.  So lets see how the numbers stack up tomorrow when there is a full 24 hours in the comparison.

 

  aesperus

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9/25/12 8:50:55 PM#35
Originally posted by RathanX26

So... Forgive me for asking this question, but xfire measures only those with xfire installed, so i play GW2 but don't use xfire, then i am not counted, correct?

So these numbers represent those that use xfire and not the over all player base?

Reason I ask is because the graph on WoW that was posted shows that more people are currently playing GW2 on the 25th then playing WoW on the 25th. But wow has like 9 million active subscriptions and GW2 only sold what like 2.2 million boxes?

From my take on this, I would guess xfire may not be the best measurement of how a game is doing. It may show a trend about people who use xfire that are playing the game, but it seems kinda far fetched to say a game is doing good or bad based on the numbers provided by xfire. Course, this is my take and i wasn't exactly around for the storm that was swtor.

To the op however- did you die when you fell off the cliff? Cause i noticed that if i am at full health, i have yet to find a cliff dive where jumping would kill me.

You are correct.

Xfire is not really a good measure of playerbase size. It's more of a throwback method of determining population trends. I.E. It's not terrible at showing if a game is losing a lot of players (by showing a massive dip in Xfire numbers), but it is horrible at showing how many players are playing a game, because most just don't use Xfire.

Tbh it's not a very accurate method of viewing data, but some people use it because they either can't find any other info, or they don't trust the official statements.

  niceguy3978

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9/25/12 8:54:52 PM#36
Originally posted by eggy08
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by eggy08
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

 

The bad news... I kind of drifted off during an event in Orr (didn't sleep much last night) and ran off a cliff.

How is that good news? wasn't every server full/high in the first weeks? Also on xfire (which can't be manipulated by Anet) gw2 is pretty much tanking (from 93k hours to 51.5k in 3 weeks, and before mop came out). Even SWTOR had better player retention 1 month after its release.

I think it's 38k right now

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Well it was relevent when SWTOR was, 'dying', according to these forums....

I suppose the magic of GW2 makes anything negative, agenda-based nonsence eh?

I suppose that if you assume one thing is true in one case that it is true in all?

Well, I can't speak for who you responded to but I for one don't think that one case makes it true for all.  But since it showed accurate trends for AOC, WAR, TOR, DCU, TSW, Rift, TERA, and every other medium and above sized mmo over the last 6 or 7 years, I think it has shown its worth at detecting trends within a game.  It is less than useless at comparing between games, but has been extremely usefull for checking out trends within games.

  chryses

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9/25/12 8:55:47 PM#37
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

 

The bad news... I kind of drifted off during an event in Orr (didn't sleep much last night) and ran off a cliff.

I have to laugh at that.  I did exactly the same thing and I did end up quitting and going to bed. 

I was playing my engineer and trying to get one of the Vistas on top of a mountain.  In my delerium instead of jumping I pushed a skill that makes me fly backwards.....straight off the cliff and ended up being deady bones.  Had a laugh at least.

  Rokurgepta

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9/25/12 8:58:20 PM#38
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

...

Sorry, but I have some bad news for you.  Very little of the sample time included time when MoP was live in NA.  So how about we check back on this chart tomorrow, same time?

 What time was MoP live in NA today? Has it been down all day?

 

Volkons OP says that was the count when he posted, that was an hour and 15 minutes ago or basically primetime east coast USA. Are you claiming MoP was not live an hour ago?

Xfire records usage stats across a 24-hour period and then charts this information once per day.  The 24-hour sample used in this thread does not include a full 24 hours of MoP.  So lets see how the numbers stack up tomorrow when there is a full 24 hours in the comparison.

 

 The OP was going off of the in game servers from GW2. They have NOTHING to do with Xfire. He was stating that the GW2 servers are not empty as some claimed might happen today. You quoted the OP which had NOTHING to do with Xfire. Read the OP and try again.

  chryses

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9/25/12 9:05:01 PM#39

Be interesting to see how many people play WoW and GW2 together or swap between.  Most of my friends are swapping between GW2, Vanguard and EvE.  None of them are playing or considering WoW at all. 

I have never touched WoW and even though its off topic, I don't have Xfire installed. So I will be one of the players that doesn't show up on Xfire and won't be moving to WoW. 

 

  ElSandman

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9/25/12 9:07:37 PM#40
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

...

Sorry, but I have some bad news for you.  Very little of the sample time included time when MoP was live in NA.  So how about we check back on this chart tomorrow, same time?

 What time was MoP live in NA today? Has it been down all day?

 

Volkons OP says that was the count when he posted, that was an hour and 15 minutes ago or basically primetime east coast USA. Are you claiming MoP was not live an hour ago?

Xfire records usage stats across a 24-hour period and then charts this information once per day.  The 24-hour sample used in this thread does not include a full 24 hours of MoP.  So lets see how the numbers stack up tomorrow when there is a full 24 hours in the comparison.

 

 The OP was going off of the in game servers from GW2. They have NOTHING to do with Xfire. He was stating that the GW2 servers are not empty as some claimed might happen today. You quoted the OP which had NOTHING to do with Xfire. Read the OP and try again.

Can you point me to a formally released definition of what those server status' actually mean?  I don't believe it is what you think it means - has it revealed why there are virtually no overflow servers required anywhere anymore, for example?

So in the absence of useful formally provided information from Anet, I am much more interested in the statistically significant sample of users on Xfire, and what the trend shows. 

[I don't really care what the OP feels is a reliable way of viewing the impact of another product on this one.  Especially if it isn't!]

 

 

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