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9/25/12 2:45:44 PM#81
I've been playing for a few weeks and have to say there seems to be no actual reason for grouping up, much less finding a guild. Maybe it will change later, but it definitely doesn't feel very social. There are certainly people around me killing stuff, but actual grouping isn't required.
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9/25/12 2:48:48 PM#82
Originally posted by asmkm22 and this is differn't compared to what themepark MMO of the last decade? at least GW2 tries it's best to allow players to WANT to play alongside one another throughout the entire game. I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg |
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9/25/12 2:56:56 PM#83
Originally posted by Sentime WvW comes to mind. Dungeons come to mind. Big world bosses come to mind. Crafting help comes to mind. There's plenty to do right there with your guild. And all of those are actually really good activities to do with them. WvW is 10x better with a group. Dungeons are made easier when you know the people you are playing with. Big world bosses that have few people in the area can be done with the help of the guild. And if everyone takes a crafting profession, you can easily have each on at max and then help each other out with gear. How is there no content? Other things you can do is level together. Remember groups don't hurt you to make. So why not? |
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Loktofeit
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Joined: 1/13/10
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9/25/12 2:59:29 PM#84
Originally posted by delete5230 You present two differnt things there - you say it lacks longevity and that population will drop because it's a 'somewhat un-social game' but then say new expansions will stave off the drops. One has nothing to do with the other so I'm curious what connection you see between the two. I also don't see how your guild members not talking to each other is the game's fault. filmoret: One thing I have never figured out is why the game devs hardly ever fix simple problems that arise. It is like they don't care about the pvp community. Nitth: What makes you so sure its a simple fix? filmoret: Because most of them are. Sometimes its just changing a number in a code string other times its creating a few variables. However none of them should take over a few hours of coding. |
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9/25/12 3:05:44 PM#85
Originally posted by zakiyawow It's the game's fault. It was designed towards this very outcome. We all said this in alpha and beta, but everyone said "no way man it'll get better in beta don't worry! oh no they're just rushing now so they can see all the content they can!" There's no benefit to grouping, so people don't do it. Everyone might as well be a bot. The lack of death penalty or group bonus just does not encourage people to work together. |
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Salenger
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Joined: 11/29/04
The true character of a man can be seen when they are given power. |
9/25/12 3:07:03 PM#86
Ill agree, i decided to buy the game last week, not a big fan of Themeparks but was bored enough and the no sub deal drew me in. But coming from Darkfall which is group and clan heavy and really neglects the solo player i find pros and cons in GW2, i mean yes its a really good pve game, i actually am enjoying myself within that spec far beyond my expectations. But as you said there is no reason to do anything as a guild, mind you i have not dived into the WvW yet, but from what ive heard really not much to do with guild play within that. All ive seen for guild play is achievements e.g. bank etc, which is kinda...lame. But yes GW2 is basically a big Solo RPG game, and i think it will do well just being that, especially with no subscription and as the previous GW im sure it will have expansions etc, it will definitely not be my #1 MMO, Darkfall Unholy Wars will probably hold that title, but GW2 will be me im bored with sandbox, need a break game. Arena net did a great job, and GW2 is what it was meant to be. |
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9/25/12 3:08:58 PM#87
Originally posted by DavisFlight But this game gives you no concequence for grouping either. So I'm missing anyone's point on why not to group. It's your own selfish faults for not doing it. You lose nothing for doing it and can potentially help each other out more for doing so. Loot is not shared, so you get the same drops group or not. |
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9/25/12 3:10:55 PM#88
Originally posted by DavisFlight How about you guys do...I don't know dungeons, WvW or sPvP? You know, things that are actually built for and essentially REQUIRE a group. There are 8 dungeons, with four modes each, so that is essentially 24 different runs to do...that's a lot of a newly released game. The fact of the matter is that the open world content in just about every themepark MMORPG is built to be largely solo-able. GW2 is no different. However, in quest-node MMORPGs, it is actually pretty hard to group because you need to find someone at the same point of a quest as you are. In GW2, you can group in the open world if you want, no problem at all...just not required. So I'm sorry, I just don't see where you are coming from. GW2 offers PLENTY of group only content, and even the soloable content is group friendly. That's more than I could say for just about any other themepark MMORPG. Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob? |
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9/25/12 3:12:19 PM#89
Originally posted by eggy08 Ok, I'll try to make this simple for you.
We can't even get people to respond in chat, how do you think we're going to get anyone to group? We're trying. People don't want to because there is no incentive to do it. |
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9/25/12 3:13:00 PM#90
Originally posted by Creslin321 Buddy, we're not talking about PvP. We're talking about PvE. And in PvE, there is no grouping. Try to stay on topic. |
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9/25/12 3:13:51 PM#91
Originally posted by DavisFlight Find a different guild. The three guilds I am in are very active in either text of VOIP. In fact, one of the guilds never shuts the freak up in VOIP and gives me a headache lol. Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob? |
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9/25/12 3:14:07 PM#92
Originally posted by Creslin321 Have a group of 3 people for WvW. Honestly all we need. Joined in and just go around and gank people. Without grouping we would mindlessly run off and do whatever. Instead we work together and do whatever we want. Went up against Yak's bend yesterday and there was a zerg of about 20 people at a supply camp. Between just us 3 we killed about 12-15 of the group before all falling over. Most fun I've ever had in WvW has been with this group just running around doing our thing as opposed to being a groupless zergy who can only follow the mass horde of people. |
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9/25/12 3:15:23 PM#93
Originally posted by DavisFlight Again, people have laid out in great detail why you are wrong. Saying Nuh uh isn't going to do much. It's your fault and thats the fact. The game gives you plenty of chances and reasons to group. Theres tons of benefits to it. What we did not want is forced grouping. I'm happy and I have had an easy go of socializing. I've grouped through pretty much most of the game. Most of those I know in game have grouped through most of the game. Why? 1) it's more fun to play with friends. 2) It makes things easier and go faster 3) You need groups to do dungeons 4) sPvP is much better if you are doing it with a group that you know and have practised with 5) WvW is much better with guild mates that can easily cordinate with.
Theres a sample for you. Moral of the story is, you're wrong. The reasons to group are there, now are you having an issue finding people that WANT to group with YOU? I ask because I certainly haven't had issue, neither have the numerous people on my friends list. |
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9/25/12 3:16:42 PM#94
Originally posted by DavisFlight and for peopel like me that are actually playing the game you would be dead wrong.. again like all themeparks your are not FORCED to group to reach cap.. you are FORCED to play alongside others to complete any META event, some of the harder normal DE's and many of the harder champion mobs. You are forced to play with a group for dungeons.. this is the same as any other themepark big difference is there is no penalty for grouping as you all get your own drops and content scales to a point so it actually is more fun to play with others(just not to many as to the point in becomes trivial) as the content gets harder.. imagine that... I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg |
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9/25/12 3:16:49 PM#95
Originally posted by Creslin321 It's not about the guild. It's about the way the game is designed. Do you just ignore the content of a post and type the some generic response over and over? I've heard every excuse their is, done every remedy a fanboy has suggested, but the end result is, it's the game's fault.
Stop saying "just do PvP" or "just do instances!" as a response to "there's no socializing in the world". NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS ARE PART OF THE WORLD OR PART OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE DISCUSSING. |
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9/25/12 3:17:01 PM#96
Originally posted by Creslin321 Honestly, I doubt you even try to make these groups. I get groups for dungeons in no time. I get groups for random quests around the map in no time. I don't get the problem. I'm in a guild of 4 people. Yet I have never had an issue of forming a group once the entire time. I get randomly invited to groups by people who are leveling in the area as well a lot. I don't believe that you are actually doing any of this spamming in chat. I will literally log in right now, take a picture of the time I sent my first message in map chat for a group to level with in an area and see how long it takes me to get a few replys. |
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9/25/12 3:18:01 PM#97
Originally posted by GrayGhost79 Moral of the story is, you're clearly too in love with the game to see sense. How is it MY fault that nobody uses local chat or responds to group invites? |
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9/25/12 3:19:55 PM#98
I'll never understand why people need to be forced to be social. To me, this game is like going to a school dance. Anet provides the dance hall and the DJ (the game). You pay your money and show up to the dance (bought and play the game). Now you stand around watching everyone dancing together, or go dance by yourself and ignore everyone, but then you'll complain that the dance organizers didn't make a sociable experience because they didn't force you to pair up to dance? Or force you to dance with a group?
Pure ridiculousness.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for??? Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE! |
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9/25/12 3:20:46 PM#99
Originally posted by DavisFlight If the way the game is designed discourages grouping and socialization, then how come I never have any issues grouping or socializing in this game? How come all the other posters here never have trouble grouping or socializing? Either you are wrong, or we are lying. Are you calling us liars? Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob? |
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9/25/12 3:20:51 PM#100
Originally posted by evolver1972 They do, they always have. And this game offers no reasons to group. So us social people are going around, TRYING to group, and most people don't want to, because there's nothing in it for them. |
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