See i get "grind".  While grind use to mean camping one mob spawn for a week with not other options but to kill the same mobs over and over for a level...grind is now anything that requires effort or time.

Ok so lets look at the new definition of grind.

Grind can be ok if the repeated task is entertaining.  I have not heard a single positive about GW2's dungeons.  Yeah zerg mechanics are fun the first round but as a repeated task with little to no orginization or real roles...yeah boring.

Ok but boring grinds are in just about every game...even if its a really fun mechanic....enough times it gets boring.  People will go through it all for gear that will allow them to stomp their piers who didnt put forth the epic and mind numbing effort to obtain. Which is why people even bother to do it usually in the first place.

However going through a boring grind mechanically for no advantage....

Better endgames have killed superior mmorpgs.  Not sure what their plan was on this game for a real endgame experience.  I do however get why theres no sub.

My question is..how long untill they drop the box price and go full F2P on this...they cant possibly expect people to pay another $60 for the rest of the game...granted they even plan to add a legit endgame to this one....do they?

I mean you would be better off playing LOL or SMITE if you want a low effort pvp experience where you grind for cosmetics...and it wont cost you $60 to hop in.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by Aerowyn

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Originally posted by Xiaoki  

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Originally posted by Aerowyn so I'm confused.. people complain there is nothing in this game to "shoot for" yet there is a massive grind for dungeon/cultural gear and legendary weapons which has been known for awhile and should of been expected especially for anyone who played GW1. Yet this very "optional" cosmetic grind(as you easily can get stat equivalent items much faster) gives you no power advantage other than looking badass and allows you to show how much effort you put into aquiring the items(something many have asked for).. what again is the issue?

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The dungeon gear and cultural armor sets are not cosmetic.   If they were cosmetic items they would not have stats on them. The Legendary weapons are cosmetic but to say the dungeon gear is cosmetic is wrong.

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re-read what i wrote

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I dont need to.

 

You called the dungeon/cultural gear a "very 'optional' cosmetic grind".

Which is wrong.

Underlined for yah

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by Aerowyn

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Originally posted by Xiaoki  

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Originally posted by Aerowyn so I'm confused.. people complain there is nothing in this game to "shoot for" yet there is a massive grind for dungeon/cultural gear and legendary weapons which has been known for awhile and should of been expected especially for anyone who played GW1. Yet this very "optional" cosmetic grind(as you easily can get stat equivalent items much faster) gives you no power advantage other than looking badass and allows you to show how much effort you put into aquiring the items(something many have asked for).. what again is the issue?

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The dungeon gear and cultural armor sets are not cosmetic.   If they were cosmetic items they would not have stats on them. The Legendary weapons are cosmetic but to say the dungeon gear is cosmetic is wrong.

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re-read what i wrote

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I dont need to.

 

You called the dungeon/cultural gear a "very 'optional' cosmetic grind".

Which is wrong.

[mod edit] (as you easily can get stat equivalent items much faster) [mod edit].  since you can easily get exotics with same stats much faster grinding out those sets IS for cosmetic purposes

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Mardukk
I too am an old schooler but we at least shot for more power. So you're saying this crap is only cosmetic? If it's only cosmetic they are off their rocker thinking that people would grind for those items in the ultimate anti grinding game hahaha. They really need to read some posts from their biggest fans....definately not the grinding/effortful ( is that even a word?) types.

never hurt GW1

Actually, it did.  Once I realized how GW1 was designed I never bought a single expansion, nor have I purchased GW2. 

Multiply that by the number of folks like me.

For every sale they made, they probably lost 2 more.  But they're OK with that, their model makes them enough money to be satisfied, and I guess you can't please everyone.

Now CCP on the other has made more money off of me per month for over 3.5 years than ANET would make in a single sale.

Just saying, lots of alternate ways to make money, ANET's isn't necessarily the most profitable.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Mardukk
I too am an old schooler but we at least shot for more power. So you're saying this crap is only cosmetic? If it's only cosmetic they are off their rocker thinking that people would grind for those items in the ultimate anti grinding game hahaha. They really need to read some posts from their biggest fans....definately not the grinding/effortful ( is that even a word?) types.

never hurt GW1

Actually, it did.  Once I realized how GW1 was designed I never bought a single expansion, nor have I purchased GW2. 

Multiply that by the number of folks like me.

For every sale they made, they probably lost 2 more.  But they're OK with that, their model makes them enough money to be satisfied, and I guess you can't please everyone.

Now CCP on the other has made more money off of me per month for over 3.5 years than ANET would make in a single sale.

Just saying, lots of alternate ways to make money, ANET's isn't necessarily the most profitable.

 

look at the numbers GW1 is the second highest selling MMO ever made.. think they will do just fine

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by Aerowyn

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Originally posted by Xiaoki  

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Originally posted by Aerowyn so I'm confused.. people complain there is nothing in this game to "shoot for" yet there is a massive grind for dungeon/cultural gear and legendary weapons which has been known for awhile and should of been expected especially for anyone who played GW1. Yet this very "optional" cosmetic grind(as you easily can get stat equivalent items much faster) gives you no power advantage other than looking badass and allows you to show how much effort you put into aquiring the items(something many have asked for).. what again is the issue?

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The dungeon gear and cultural armor sets are not cosmetic.   If they were cosmetic items they would not have stats on them. The Legendary weapons are cosmetic but to say the dungeon gear is cosmetic is wrong.

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re-read what i wrote

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I dont need to.

 

You called the dungeon/cultural gear a "very 'optional' cosmetic grind".

Which is wrong.

[mod edit] (as you easily can get stat equivalent items much faster) [mod edit].  since you can easily get exotics with same stats much faster grinding out those sets IS for cosmetic purposes

He does have a point. The dungeon/cultural do have stats. They offer a cosmetic change, but they are not cosmetic. I get what you are saying, but they have stats... just saying.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

 

look at the numbers GW1 is the second highest selling MMO ever made.. think they will do just fine

Well Anet says it wasn't a mmo... Sooo..

Originally posted by Aerowyn
so I'm confused.. people complain there is nothing in this game to "shoot for" yet there is a massive grind for dungeon/cultural gear and legendary weapons which has been known for awhile and should of been expected especially for anyone who played GW1. Yet this very "optional" cosmetic grind(as you easily can get stat equivalent items much faster) gives you no power advantage other than looking badass and allows you to show how much effort you put into aquiring the items(something many have asked for).. what again is the issue?

The issue is that you cannot make everyone happy... specially those who dont get to see the bigger picture... "theres nothing to shot for, thi game has no longevity" = badass armor...

"the badass armor is to hard to get, im quiting" = skill based progresion game..

contradiction

BTW OP exotics armor are not that hard to get... and dam even the high level rares look nice... and even if you dont like the high level armor models, there are transmutation stones.. or even awesome armor skin that you can get in the cash shop.. (without spending real cash, thus they cost aprox 1.4 ingame gold, wich is absurdly easy to get)

im perfectly fine with game critisims, i have my issues with the game aswells... but sometimes the claims are just plain stupid.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Hrimnir

Yea.  I said it. 

So, if you want to get anything that looks even remotely decent as far as armor goes.  You have a few options.

You can get cultural armor, which costs, you'll love this. 30g for 1 chest piece.  30g, and its yellow con, not even orange. Now, to give you a point of reference, completing a level 75-80 event which can take anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes, assuming its even up and running, gives you *gasp* 3s and some change.  Thats not including if you die ever, because each repair at this point costs you 1.5s.  Oh, and lets not forget the port over to the zone which will cost you minimum of 2s and probably closer to 3s.

Ok, so there is the dungeon sets right!  Well, guess what, 1 chest piece, 100 tokens.  Now here is the best part, each dungeon has its own token set.  Now, this wouldnt have been as big of a deal except Anet decided to nerf it so you cant run the same dungeon over and over anymore.  So, now you're talking literally weeks to get enough tokens to get the set from one dungeon.

Should i even go into the requirements for the absurdly ridiculous Mytstic Forge?

Honestly, i don't care that this game is no sub fee.  I would rather go back to Rift, spend 8+ hours a week progression raiding for the gear, because at least then im doing something fun for it.  Instead of stupid mind numbing craptastic "dungeons" which are really just zerg fests since there is no defined tank, healer, etc.

Crafting is a joke too.  Yes, its less expensive if you dont account for the fact that you're going to spend 10g+ to get a single crafting spec from 0 to 400. *sans cooking, that one is cheap as hell*.  Problem there is pretty much everything except the plate looks terrible.

Oh, and lets not forget the dye system either. Where unless you like stupidly bright primary colors, or really muted earth colors, any of the cool colors you might want to dye sell from 2.5g to 6g+ on the market.  Stuff like dark blue, dark red, black, white or as close to white as possible, etc.

 

 Sorry people complain too much about a grind. Funny coming from a guy earlier who was complaining that people dont want to put in the "work" to get a benefit in games.

 

The whole game is a joke we know we know. You have nothing but complaints. Amazingly you forgot the easy way to get those dyes, you know by identifying dye you get as loot drops. Oh yeah I forgot you might not get the one you want that way and might actually have to play and try gain. The horror.

Wow, pretty poor response.  Yes, i've identified literaly every unidentified dye from 0 to 80 and all it was was slight variations of the existing crap dyes.  And you'll notice i dont care about grinds, im an old school EQ'er, i embrace the grind, IF IT HAS A WORTWHILE PURPOSE.  Thats the whole point.  They expect you to literally put in JRPG levels of time for what? Some gear that ONLY looks cool?  And even that is hit and miss.  At least with other MMOs you get gear that looks cool and has some benefit to you.   Part of character progression in an MMO is getting more powerful, and that super rad looking sword with lightning shooting out of it having the same stats as the standard issue forged in a castle blade, is literaly the heigh of absurdity.  Its all show, no go.  Its like putting a wing, 3 piece magnesium wheels, coilovers, racing bucket seats, and carbon fiber hood and trunk on a honda civic with a 110hp 4 banger. 

 Speaking of a poor response. What you think is worthwhile others find worthless. Have you not in all your years of life come to understand that simple fact? Or are you so close minded that only what you like is important these days?

My GW2 character gets more powerful each day, end of story.

Originally posted by redman875

See i get "grind".  While grind use to mean camping one mob spawn for a week with not other options but to kill the same mobs over and over for a level...grind is now anything that requires effort or time.

Ok so lets look at the new definition of grind.

Grind can be ok if the repeated task is entertaining.  I have not heard a single positive about GW2's dungeons.  Yeah zerg mechanics are fun the first round but as a repeated task with little to no orginization or real roles...yeah boring.

Ok but boring grinds are in just about every game...even if its a really fun mechanic....enough times it gets boring.  People will go through it all for gear that will allow them to stomp their piers who didnt put forth the epic and mind numbing effort to obtain. Which is why people even bother to do it usually in the first place.

However going through a boring grind mechanically for no advantage....

 

Better endgames have killed superior mmorpgs.  Not sure what their plan was on this game for a real endgame experience.  I do however get why theres no sub.

My question is..how long untill they drop the box price and go full F2P on this...they cant possibly expect people to pay another $60 for the rest of the game...granted they even plan to add a legit endgame to this one....do they?

I mean you would be better off playing LOL or SMITE if you want a low effort pvp experience where you grind for cosmetics...and it wont cost you $60 to hop in.

 How long until they drop the price of the box? You are off your rocker. You dont play but you post here just about every day bashing the game in a very transparent and unknowledgable way. You have trolled here long enough. Go find a game you like and post about it, instead you show up in GW2 posts all the time with the same rubbish.

You allude to no sub like the devs saw a crap game the day before relase and decided no subscription. It was no sub from the day it was announced. Go troll something else. You look pathetic when you make an account on this site just to troll something you dont play. A hobby might help.

There's been some great responses and alternatives since i last checked in, and i appreciate that.  I still maintain that they went a little too apeshit with most of the sets in the game though.  I know i came off a bit foaming at the mouth in my original post and i apologize for that, i was just amazed at the complete lack of information given by the game as to how to obtain anything reasonably cool looking, and the only stuff i could find out about through google searching without spending hours researching and digging through forums was that basically you had to grind tokens, or you had to spend an ungodly amount of coin on cultural or crafted armor.

Also, unless there is some secret i dont know about, 2g is still a damn lot of money.  So yes, 2g for a permanent dye is a crapton.  Thats at least 8 hours of grinding out overland map stuff or farming something which sells decently like copper ore.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

There's been some great responses and alternatives since i last checked in, and i appreciate that.  I still maintain that they went a little too apeshit with most of the sets in the game though.  I know i came off a bit foaming at the mouth in my original post and i apologize for that, i was just amazed at the complete lack of information given by the game as to how to obtain anything reasonably cool looking, and the only stuff i could find out about through google searching without spending hours researching and digging through forums was that basically you had to grind tokens, or you had to spend an ungodly amount of coin on cultural or crafted armor.

Also, unless there is some secret i dont know about, 2g is still a damn lot of money.  So yes, 2g for a permanent dye is a crapton.  Thats at least 8 hours of grinding out overland map stuff or farming something which sells decently like copper ore.

The game really does lack a thorough tutorial. I still have no clue how to craft >.< or even what to do with it. I am not even sure what crafting profession I am lol. I talked to the cook dodo, but I have a pick and harvester thingy...

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Aerowyn

 

look at the numbers GW1 is the second highest selling MMO ever made.. think they will do just fine

Well Anet says it wasn't a mmo... Sooo..

GW1 had the same profit as CoH last year.

Originally posted by KingJiggly

Originally posted by Hrimnir

There's been some great responses and alternatives since i last checked in, and i appreciate that.  I still maintain that they went a little too apeshit with most of the sets in the game though.  I know i came off a bit foaming at the mouth in my original post and i apologize for that, i was just amazed at the complete lack of information given by the game as to how to obtain anything reasonably cool looking, and the only stuff i could find out about through google searching without spending hours researching and digging through forums was that basically you had to grind tokens, or you had to spend an ungodly amount of coin on cultural or crafted armor.

Also, unless there is some secret i dont know about, 2g is still a damn lot of money.  So yes, 2g for a permanent dye is a crapton.  Thats at least 8 hours of grinding out overland map stuff or farming something which sells decently like copper ore.

The game really does lack a thorough tutorial. I still have no clue how to craft >.< or even what to do with it. I am not even sure what crafting profession I am lol. I talked to the cook dodo, but I have a pick and harvester thingy...

when in doubt youtube:) got everything you could ever want to know

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by KingJiggly

Originally posted by Hrimnir

There's been some great responses and alternatives since i last checked in, and i appreciate that.  I still maintain that they went a little too apeshit with most of the sets in the game though.  I know i came off a bit foaming at the mouth in my original post and i apologize for that, i was just amazed at the complete lack of information given by the game as to how to obtain anything reasonably cool looking, and the only stuff i could find out about through google searching without spending hours researching and digging through forums was that basically you had to grind tokens, or you had to spend an ungodly amount of coin on cultural or crafted armor.

Also, unless there is some secret i dont know about, 2g is still a damn lot of money.  So yes, 2g for a permanent dye is a crapton.  Thats at least 8 hours of grinding out overland map stuff or farming something which sells decently like copper ore.

The game really does lack a thorough tutorial. I still have no clue how to craft >.< or even what to do with it. I am not even sure what crafting profession I am lol. I talked to the cook dodo, but I have a pick and harvester thingy...

when in doubt youtube:) got everything you could ever want to know

Still needs to be looked at. It simply is not good, and is in no way my fault. 

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by Castillle

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Originally posted by Xiaoki  

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Originally posted by Aerowyn

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Originally posted by Xiaoki  

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Originally posted by Aerowyn so I'm confused.. people complain there is nothing in this game to "shoot for" yet there is a massive grind for dungeon/cultural gear and legendary weapons which has been known for awhile and should of been expected especially for anyone who played GW1. Yet this very "optional" cosmetic grind(as you easily can get stat equivalent items much faster) gives you no power advantage other than looking badass and allows you to show how much effort you put into aquiring the items(something many have asked for).. what again is the issue?

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The dungeon gear and cultural armor sets are not cosmetic.   If they were cosmetic items they would not have stats on them. The Legendary weapons are cosmetic but to say the dungeon gear is cosmetic is wrong.

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re-read what i wrote

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I dont need to.   You called the dungeon/cultural gear a "very 'optional' cosmetic grind". Which is wrong.

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Underlined for yah

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Ah, I see, so we are arguing that the OP is "doing it wrong".

 

I thought one of the great things about GW2 was supposed to be that there were several different ways you could obtain gear and that the stats were equal.

So, if you wanted to get the best gear in the game either by dungeons or crafting or PvP you could and you would not be in any way inferior to someone that chose to get gear a different way.

But, apparently, thats just a big load of lies. You HAVE to get Exotics by crafting and then you have the option to grind your ass off for dungeon or PvP skins. There is no choice, this is the way it must be done. If you try and get gear any other way you are doing it wrong and you deserve to be ridiculed on message boards like our poor OP.

What other ways do you imagine there are? "I should be able to /dance in every town for an hour each to get exotics."

In other words, I like how you listed a number of options and then cried that there were no options.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

There's been some great responses and alternatives since i last checked in, and i appreciate that.  I still maintain that they went a little too apeshit with most of the sets in the game though.  I know i came off a bit foaming at the mouth in my original post and i apologize for that, i was just amazed at the complete lack of information given by the game as to how to obtain anything reasonably cool looking, and the only stuff i could find out about through google searching without spending hours researching and digging through forums was that basically you had to grind tokens, or you had to spend an ungodly amount of coin on cultural or crafted armor.

Also, unless there is some secret i dont know about, 2g is still a damn lot of money.  So yes, 2g for a permanent dye is a crapton.  Thats at least 8 hours of grinding out overland map stuff or farming something which sells decently like copper ore.

 2g really is not much unless you are ignoring ways to make money. I just spent probably 5 gold outfitting my Ranger and trying some rune combinations on his armor to see what I liked best.

I have one level 52 one level 27 and one level 26 character. I buy ALL my weapons and armor because drops are rarely right for me, IE wrong stats or buffs. I change all armor and weapons every 5 to 10 levels depending on the improvements I see and yet I still have 7 gold between my charcters.

That said I stopped all crafting except cooking because I found selling materials to be profitable and crafting was not a lot of fun for me. Now I was not spending ANY money to craft since I gather all my own materials but there was little fun in it. Cooking on the other hand has too many boosts to not be involved in. So yes I sell all my materials once a week to fund my love of weapons and armor.

Issue is... They'll nerf this (make it easier to get stuff) like all games seem to do.

Remember SWTOR and the "grind" to get gear in that game?  Shortly after release they started making it easier... Which puts all the effort the early players put in to shame.

GW2 was ok to get max level in PvE and be done.  Sadly, WoW has by far the best setup in an MMORPG and while a very small group of people here will claim WoW is terrible... Millions and Millions think differently and continue to enjoy it. 

Games are about having fun.  If you're looking for a difficult, time consuming, achievement driven process where the effort you put in is rewarded by providing you with advantages over others who put in less work... TRY REAL LIFE... get a job, a better job, whatever... Work harder, get more money, buy stupid shit you don't need, show it off to everyone and claim you're better!   ;)

Honestly, League of Legends is the only game I find myself going back to over and over and I get NO benefit or reward for playing other than the enjoyment it provides.  Take away the leveling, loot drops, and ability to be "better" than another player and all these new MMO's fall apart quickly.  They need to make the game enjoyable and fun before stacking a leveling and loot grinding system onto it.

If you can get players to play your game each day and force them to start over each new "match" and they still come back for more... Obviously they enjoy the gameplay over the rewards you dangle above them.