Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by nsignific
Amazing how much energy some of you manage to channel towars hate for one singular thing. I dread asking how you feel about Apple, M$, pop music or anything else mainstream, really. Like food. Or water.

 

You say this and yet....I don't see one single post that's a "hater" post.  I see a few critics and mostly people just offering both positivie and negative feedback on the new expansion and it's "flavor."  Some like it, some don't.  Where are these "haters" you speak of?

 

Since you say you can't see a single such post, then what is your analysis of following post made by the poster Ovum: "Nothing to see here, move along."

Huh?  If you are going site an example, perhaps you should use one that actually supports your point?  Saw some critical posts, mine among them, but that is all.  People are quite civil in this thread.

Originally posted by Amjoco

 I will continue my Pandarian journey, and mixing it up with my Norn Guardian in GW2 this evening.

It's much easier to choose all mmorpgs as your favorites instead of arguing about which one is better or worse. I'm playing and having a great day in Azeroth and Tyria!

well said :)

39 bucks and then a monthly sub to play a game that 9 year olds can now play while drawing with crayons. Rofl no thanks. My cash will go towards more beer and some random FPS where I can rage with a gun. Love ya!

Originally posted by Deivos

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

I want to clarify that I am in no way saying their statistics are representative of the whole or are near accurate to current numbers/trends as an individual source. Think it's fair to say the xfire users are not representative of the whole on this one.

Just thought their stats looked fun for MoP release day as it shows GW2 retaining it's 1/3rd userbase still while MoP now takes up 1/3rd of it's own.

 

Implications? I could make something up, but I would be wrong for doing so. I honestly just like they way they split the chart,

I agree with your assesment . X-fire is often an interesting thing to look at but its not really representative of gamers as a whole . I've said my guess in other posts that WoW has around 1/2 million returning players on release day . The last official figures from WoW put is player base at 9 million . (I say playerbase because chinese players apparently dont subscribe in the way we do in the west ) .While I've not proof that it has fallen further since that announcement . Logic dictates that it probably did as theres always a lull in the months leading upto the patch prior to an expansion . So my guess is Blizzard has probably held onto the 9 million it had give or take a few hundred thousand players .

I would be suprised if it increased signifcantly . I also think WoW subs will continue to decline . Theres reason for this  . Free to play games are becoming very common now ( while they really arnt free where plenty of them out there and you could easily play different free ones for months on end without hitting the wall if you wanted to .

Buy to play games have had a real success in guild wars 2 . Even if you dislike it you have to respect the numbers its shifted in it first month which appear to be around 2.7 million ( i million pre-order downloads  and 1.7 million boxed units shifted by the week ending 15 th of september ) , That far exceeds WoW Vanilla sales in month one . Whether it can hold only its subs is a matter of debate . There is however no hard facts about a retention rate anyone saying its holding a third is simply making a guess ( much in the way I 've guessed at WoWs returning players ) .

The thing is Guiild Wars 2s success will be eyed by many developers and will they will inevitably try to emulate this . So within the coming years your going to see them becoming more and more common in the mmo market . As this happens WoWs subscriber hase will be watered down more and more as time goes on .

To think it will be able to hold onto the 9 million subs it still has left really is a bit like being king kanute . (Hes an old British King that tried to hold back the tide) . My guess is within a few years it will change its buisness model . Probably offering the bulk of its content  for free and only charging for the xpacs and the endgame . ( a mixture of freemium and buy to play maybe ) .

I'm sure plenty of you will disagree with me. It still wont change things and I will ultimatly be proven right because its the most likly course of events . Its not a matter of if but when ?

So far, so good. But I see the game getting kiddish in a sense, but it draws in that type of player base now.

On another front, it still has alot of players and alot of players = alot of lag now in this expansion. I cannot complain to much since I just started playing, but having a great time with my old guild that is still running strong after so many years.

After 8 years  it's a snore so for me, so its no more.  Boring old stuff, content will be complete in less than 3 to 4 weeks.  Why bother, be brave and do something different.

My coingratulations to Blizard in advance they will sell no less than 6 or 7 million copies with at least an average subcirption period of 4 months. It will be a samshing success financially.

Been playing WoW for 6+ years. Last years I got more and more the feeling like "Is this all we can expect from a top rated MMO?". Cata was big disappointment! Then I remember the day the announcement came about the Panda invasion. I know the lore. I played Warcraft. Pandarians are great and fun and funny, but having a whole world of pandas running around?!?! Come on. Blizzard had soooo many options of playable races and much deeper and better lore to choose from.

This will be the only expansion of WoW that this gamer will NOT be buying or playing. Even before I left WoW you could tell the team maintaining the game just wasn't the same. I wish them luck, but this is one WoWer that has turned in his hat.

Originally posted by Kost

I bought MoP prior to GW2 launching, after spending a few months in the MoP closed beta.

However, after spending my time with GW2 from launch till present, I can safely say I will never login to Pandaria. I wasted 50 bucks or whatever it cost me for the digital upgrade, but I don't really care to be honest, that will be the last revenue Blizzard makes off of me during this lifetime.

I've found a far superior product, and will be investing my monthly subscription fee into there cash shop instead.

 

Can I has your stuff? 8P

Originally posted by DSWBeef
I like how these "thoughts" are all from people who are playing it right now. It would have been a good article if you had some editors post why they are not playing MoP.

They would have to play the game first for the thoughts to have any merit.

Which is why about 90% of the negatiive comments in this thread are worthless

Here is an example of one such comment:

Originally posted by Ozmodan

When they killed the skill trees, they killed any chance of many of us ever returning.

This will be the top of the list when it comes to worst expansions ever!

And if you use the word "hater" in your subject matter it just identifies you as an uneducated boob, the word is critic.

This tells us absolutely nothing about the quality of the expansion, only that someone made a choice not to play based on how he percieved something would work out.  And while his post may not be a 'hater' post, its equally garbage.  It is completely devoid of logic 'this will be the worst expansion ever because they get rid of talent trees! (that havent been remotely interesting for several years now anyway).  Now, its a valid reason to not play.  But its the equivalent of saying 'GW2 sucks because its not a sandbox'.

And to think you are being a critic when you are just passing blind judgment is pretty hysterical.  I dont think Ebert would have had a career if he said stuff like 'Return of the King is three and a half hours long.  That is too long to sit through a movie so I won't be watching it.  Furthermore, its a book adapation and its always better to read the book instead.   Therefore I award the movie one star and give it a thumbs down.

Originally posted by rivetman13

Originally posted by Kost

I bought MoP prior to GW2 launching, after spending a few months in the MoP closed beta.

However, after spending my time with GW2 from launch till present, I can safely say I will never login to Pandaria. I wasted 50 bucks or whatever it cost me for the digital upgrade, but I don't really care to be honest, that will be the last revenue Blizzard makes off of me during this lifetime.

I've found a far superior product, and will be investing my monthly subscription fee into there cash shop instead.

 

Can I has your stuff? 8P

Well he spent two months in beta he was probably having fun? sounds like he played himself out, what did he expect? live to be different from beta? 

Wow has a hge fanbase, but even hardore fans are losing faith.
This and the next year blizzard lose another big chunk of its playerbase, and it will continue to do so.

Main reasons i quit WoW before MoP:

Dumbed down talent system
Pandabear
Pokemon
Death servers
Cross realm zone's
Price aint worth it these days when so many other things are bou to play

For the record i was there from 2004 / 2012

No more Blizzard for me.

Well, so far I am a bit disappointed with this launch. I usually expect some bugs and lots of people and lag, so in that sense I got what I expected. I also was in the MoP beta for a little bit. Only thing is that I could not get into the starting area of the pandaren during beta so I never really got to see pandaren.

Now, I wish I hadn't. I think they are the worst-animated and most stupid-looking race in the game, whereas before that was held by worgen for worst-animation (I hate, hate, hate how the worgen run) and there weren't really any stupid-looking races before. I really wish they had put in ogres for horde and kept the damned pandaren to the alliance. The only thing cool about them is their racial mount.

The new high-level areas are pretty cool, but I realized after some running around what bugs me so far about Jade Forest. Well first, it is pretty small... much smaller than any Cataclysm area. The second is that it really does remind me of er... GW2 in feel,especially the Asura area, not so far as mobs are concerned, but the layout is not typically WoWish, with small clusters of stuff. Things are more flung out, like in GW2, there are interactable things on the ground to inspect with gear icons appearing above them, much like in GW2, and the mobs seem more widely spread-out (like in GW2) unlike the hub-like organization of mob spawns in previous expacs. The Monk moves a lot like a GW2 character: roll is like a unidirectional-GW2 evasion and you can also only do it twice quickly in a row, just like in GW2.

These are just my first impressions by the way. It is not totally negative, but I guess it is a little bit disturbing... When I beta'ed, I hadn't tried GW2, so now it has put things in a different perspective for me, trying it again.

Yes, people hit, especially on the alliance side, max level less than 24 hours after the expac went live, yes there was a big general chat bug, yes there were 10 pandaren monks beating up on the same mob in Barrens, sigh.

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

The day has finally arrived for pandas to arrive in World of Warcraft with the official launch of the latest expansion, Mists of Pandaria. We've got some thoughts to share on today's momentous event. Read on and then let us know what you think in the comments.

I see it asked a lot on these forums: “Why would anyone still play World of Warcraft”? I can understand that sentiment enough, really. I mean, it’s almost eight years old and as the genre changes and shifts WoW’s mechanics and systems stay largely the same.  But if there’s any reason at all I’m looking to play Mists of Pandaria, outside of professional duty, it’s because this latest expansion actually seeks to change WoW up… at least on some level.  Mists of Pandaria is doing a lot to make Azeroth feel new, and I’m going to give it an honest shake down to see if Blizzard’s behemoth can captivate me the way it did with Wrath of the Lich King and those that came before it. 

Read more of Garrett Fuller's and Bill Murphy's World of Warcraft: Pandaria Launch Day Thoughts.

Underlined part is so full of crap. Every expansion Blizzard has introduced has been the same thing.

  All Blizzard does is reuse the same old rehashed copy and paste content from previous expansion's and flip flops that content around and calls it "new."

  The only thing worth saying that has changed is the pet battles, which are a complete waste of time.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by DSWBeef
I like how these "thoughts" are all from people who are playing it right now. It would have been a good article if you had some editors post why they are not playing MoP.

They would have to play the game first for the thoughts to have any merit.

Which is why about 90% of the negatiive comments in this thread are worthless

Here is an example of one such comment:

Originally posted by Ozmodan

When they killed the skill trees, they killed any chance of many of us ever returning.

This will be the top of the list when it comes to worst expansions ever!

And if you use the word "hater" in your subject matter it just identifies you as an uneducated boob, the word is critic.

 

This tells us absolutely nothing about the quality of the expansion, only that someone made a choice not to play based on how he percieved something would work out.  And while his post may not be a 'hater' post, its equally garbage.  It is completely devoid of logic 'this will be the worst expansion ever because they get rid of talent trees! (that havent been remotely interesting for several years now anyway).  Now, its a valid reason to not play.  But its the equivalent of saying 'GW2 sucks because its not a sandbox'.

 

And to think you are being a critic when you are just passing blind judgment is pretty hysterical.  I dont think Ebert would have had a career if he said stuff like 'Return of the King is three and a half hours long.  That is too long to sit through a movie so I won't be watching it.  Furthermore, its a book adapation and its always better to read the book instead.   Therefore I award the movie one star and give it a thumbs down.

These opinions are not worthless - many gamers posting on these forums have been playing MMORPGs for years and they know more about what makes a good game than most.

FYI, skill trees enable customisation, and more choice is generally a good thing.