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  bcbully

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9/24/12 3:32:18 PM#21
Well put OP. The "you pvprs go play over here in this little area." really bothers me. 
  Amjoco

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9/24/12 3:34:21 PM#22
Originally posted by Uhwop

I found the game to be a little to structured, which is odd considering it's less structured then most themepark MMO's.

The whole seperation of gameplay just made everything feel like entirely different games, and gave it an overly structured feeling for me.  I can understand seperating the sPvP from WvW and PvE, but the PvE and WvW I don't feel required it.  I think I would have enjoyed it more if they had gone a slightly more DAoC route, and intertwined the WvW and PvE world more to make it feel like there's real impact happening. 

Also, I'm not really getting the "guild wars" point.  Idealy, in my opinion, they should have created a WvW setup that was much more guild driven.  Larger zones, with more points to take, and guilds fighting other guilds for control. 

I don't think it's a failure, nor do I think they'll have any trouble in the long term, but I also don't think as many people are going to stick with it as the hype around the game would lead you to believe.  I'm also of the opinion that Anet is aware of this, which is why the set up some aspects of the game the way they did.  I imagine they plan on fleshing some things out further down the road and don't really expect an overwhelming number of people to stick with the game in the interum. 

You have some great points about the structured features but that isn't a huge breaker for me. The feel is up to you. You can enter WvW via actual portals instead of using B on your keyboard. It may be the players that break the immersion a bit by not using the portal themselves.

Also, Guild Wars is not the name of the title because guilds fight one another. You can see what I mean. Just because it's Guild Wars, doesn't mean you battle guilds anymore than in Starwars you had to battle stars. ;)

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  Hrica

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9/24/12 3:34:42 PM#23
Originally posted by Kyleran
If I were you I'd cancel my sub immediately and show ANET who's the boss! 

+1

haha!! most anti-trollest reply I have ever seen.  Yea gonna cancel my sub right now LOL

No offence OP, just thought this funny

  Nadia

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9/24/12 3:37:18 PM#24
Originally posted by Uhwop

I'm not really getting the "guild wars" point. 

Originally posted by Amjoco
Guild Wars is not the name of the title because guilds fight one another. You can see what I mean. Just because it's Guild Wars, doesn't mean you battle guilds anymore than in Starwars you had to battle stars. ;)

personally i think they should have called the game Tyria

but they went w the name GW2 for name brand recognition

 

"guild wars" name is based on lore http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lore

there were clashes among different human guilds before the Searing and the threat of the Charr

  Aerowyn

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9/24/12 3:41:10 PM#25
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Uhwop

I'm not really getting the "guild wars" point. 

personally i think they should have called the game Tyria

but they went w the name GW2 for name brand recognition

 

"guild wars" name is based on lore http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lore

there were clashes among different human guilds before the Searing and the threat of the Charr

 

 

 

"The Guild Wars" is the lore the history of Tyria not about the current events in the world. Can't always take titles on things literally ... I know a lot must of been dissapointed with the movie Naked Lunch for this reason.

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  kriminal66

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9/26/12 12:26:43 AM#26
Not sure if it is fail but dam im pretty disapointed thought it would be better, pvp seems to be a mess and so far the pve story is pretty lame kinda like it is made for kids i just bought it yesterday and i am bored already no wounder its b2p i would never pay a sub for it .
  Yakamomoto

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9/26/12 5:09:27 AM#27
Originally posted by DrunkWolf

This game wont fail because it has no sub,

on a personal level this game wasnt for me. but im not big on themparks anyways.

Even F2P titles like GW2 can fail, if no one is playing them anymore and no one purchases stuff in their cash shop.

There is a bunch of F2P MMOs which got shut down at some point

  Connmacart

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9/26/12 5:17:57 AM#28
Originally posted by Yakamomoto
Originally posted by DrunkWolf

This game wont fail because it has no sub,

on a personal level this game wasnt for me. but im not big on themparks anyways.

Even F2P titles like GW2 can fail, if no one is playing them anymore and no one purchases stuff in their cash shop.

There is a bunch of F2P MMOs which got shut down at some point

Please swap your F and B buttons on your keyboard.

  Gamefun

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9/26/12 5:25:41 AM#29

I wouldn't say Guild Wars 2 failed, but it failed to keep me wanting to play for the long haul. It has great graphics, pretty good PvE but that's about it. longivity is the issue for me and my family who also quit. I'm just going to wait until a sandbox mmorpg comes out. I already uninstalled Guild Wars 2.

 

  I'll probably try out Darkfall Unholy Wars, Archeage if it ever comes out and Final Fantasy Reborn once that re-releases. If none of those I mentioned interest me, I'll probably retire and stop playing mmorpg's due to lack of innovation in the gaming industry these days.

  timeraider

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9/26/12 5:30:43 AM#30
personal opinion without numbers or facts ... /discard
  Dibdabs

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9/26/12 5:57:55 AM#31
Originally posted by david361107

I'm going to say no GW2 is not Fail, but it's not the epic great game fans say it is either. I just hope that over time they make some changes, then it might be something i go back and look at.

The pandas are thattaway.  Byeeeeeeee!

  Yakamomoto

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9/26/12 6:02:22 AM#32
Originally posted by Connmacart
Originally posted by Yakamomoto
Originally posted by DrunkWolf

This game wont fail because it has no sub,

on a personal level this game wasnt for me. but im not big on themparks anyways.

Even F2P titles like GW2 can fail, if no one is playing them anymore and no one purchases stuff in their cash shop.

There is a bunch of F2P MMOs which got shut down at some point

Please swap your F and B buttons on your keyboard.

Why? I´m not getting framed by a marketing heist and someone replacing "F" with "B" and call it a new model. GW2 is F2P with a cash shop, end of story.

  Yakamomoto

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9/26/12 6:05:42 AM#33
Originally posted by Dibdabs
Originally posted by david361107

I'm going to say no GW2 is not Fail, but it's not the epic great game fans say it is either. I just hope that over time they make some changes, then it might be something i go back and look at.

The pandas are thattaway.  Byeeeeeeee!

And how are the Asura more mature or less cutesypants than Pandas? Really GW2 vs WoW is pretty useless discussion, both are rated "Teen" and have their cute cartoon creatures in a colorful fantasy world.

  Teilo

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9/26/12 6:17:24 AM#34
Originally posted by Yakamomoto
Originally posted by Connmacart
Originally posted by Yakamomoto
Originally posted by DrunkWolf

This game wont fail because it has no sub,

on a personal level this game wasnt for me. but im not big on themparks anyways.

Even F2P titles like GW2 can fail, if no one is playing them anymore and no one purchases stuff in their cash shop.

There is a bunch of F2P MMOs which got shut down at some point

Please swap your F and B buttons on your keyboard.

Why? I´m not getting framed by a marketing heist and someone replacing "F" with "B" and call it a new model. GW2 is F2P with a cash shop, end of story.

Well I'm glad i'm not the only person who sees this.

Really, you can buy  LotRO starter pack with all the content for a similar price to GW2 - leaving you with just a cashshop of fluff & storage upgrades, just like GW2 - but no-one would dreamn of calling LotRO a B2P game.

"B2P" is just marketing.

  Cyrael

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9/26/12 6:23:14 AM#35
Originally posted by david361107

I've posted a few things here about GW2, nothing bad and nothing great, which is pretty much how i feel about this game. [mod edit] GW2 is too easy to level, way to setup for the casual players, will not hold population do to this. The PVP is kind of funny because it doesn't mean anything really, can't wear what gear i want when i want to? what is this? I just hate games that force you to do things, like oh you want to pvp? here your level 80 now, oh you want to wear your pvp gear in the world? are you crazy? you can't do that, you have to wear your pve gear there, it's just silly.

 

People need to realize that the days of level grinding at an excruciatingly slow pace are long gone, and they're not coming back save for niche titles.

  wowfan1996

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9/26/12 8:37:44 AM#36
Originally posted by Teilo
Really, you can buy  LotRO starter pack with all the content for a similar price to GW2 - leaving you with just a cashshop of fluff & storage upgrades, just like GW2 - but no-one would dreamn of calling LotRO a B2P game.

"B2P" is just marketing.

I've never played LotRO but AFAIK you can't access all LotRO features without a VIP sub. Hence LotRO isn't a B2P. D3 and GW2 are B2P.

I don't say B2P is good (in fact my experience with D3 and GW2 shows that B2P is worse than both P2P and F2P) but certainly B2P isn't just marketing. In an F2P game you (obviously) can just d/l the client and play. In a B2P game you (obviously) can't. And since B2P model seems to be very unfriendly towards open betas you have to make your decision to buy the game blindly. It's a huge difference.

Simply put: B2P is the most scam-friendly MMO business model to date. D3 can be used as a classic example of a marketing scam. If it were up to me, ActiBlizz managemet would end up in jail for fraud. GW2 isn't that bad so far but sill the 9/17 patch was very disappointing.

MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).

  MosesZD

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9/26/12 8:55:39 AM#37
Originally posted by cronius77
guild wars 2 will not fail , you can tell by the fact they made a ton of money already yet refuse to hire more Customer service and have tried to migrate everyone coming into the game into as few servers as possible as they say "to keep high population and fun" , its just to keep costs down , its common sense. But will they be the wow killer or competetive with wow? no way in hell , people are already leaving because there is nothing to do at 80 but from what you did at level 20 30 40 50 etc.  They will sell boxes for years to come just like GW1 did and might even eventually pass 10 mil sales for box copies over the years , but they will never have that many concurrent users , there just isnt enough meat and way to much potato in GW2.

 

1. They have more CSRs and significantly increased the CSR staff since launch. They've said so.  In fact, part of the reason they suspended sales was because they couldn't keep up with the hiring and training of CSRs.  And we see it in the hacked-account turn-around -- it's gone from three days to mere hours and pretty much all other complaints are being resolved quickly as the whole kerfluffle about CSR not handling things is pretty much dead, dead, dead until you brought up that dead horse. That you are ignorant of the fact and continue to harp the same old whine is a load of manure. Although, at least manure makes good compost...

 

2. This really cracks me up. People like you ripped the hell out of BioWare for opening too many servers. Then ripped them again when they do a 10-to1 server merger. ANet does the smart thing, knowing that after the shiny-penny wears a bit people will play less so they don't foolishly open tons of new servers. Instead, they keep the list tight and use an over-flow system and then people like you rip them for that. It's like you've set the rules of criticism up as "I win, you lose" and anything you do, even if I've championed the exact solution before, is now wrong.

 

3.  It's an MMO, not a spouse.    Habituation is normal.  People leaving is normal.   Some will leave sooner, others will leave later.  Power-gamers being the worst as they come into every MMO, ignore 80% of it to get to 'end game' then whine.  

 

But here's a clue that most of those who content-complain never get --- MMOs are ultimately about the social experience and the social ties that bind us -- not the content experience.   If you think about it, you'll understand it.   But I won't hold my breath.   People who whine about content generally don't get the social aspects of MMOs and the long-term ties that bind.    I've got two sets of MMO friends that I have had for 5 and 3 years respectively.   And we're more than just MMO friends.   We have tons of other interests we discuss from our garden fish ponds to computers to  to our steam groups (both sets have Steam groups) to DnD to CivV tournaments.   The groups are even multi-generational.

  MosesZD

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9/26/12 8:58:46 AM#38
Originally posted by wowfan1996
Originally posted by Teilo
Really, you can buy  LotRO starter pack with all the content for a similar price to GW2 - leaving you with just a cashshop of fluff & storage upgrades, just like GW2 - but no-one would dreamn of calling LotRO a B2P game.

"B2P" is just marketing.

I've never played LotRO but AFAIK you can't access all LotRO features without a VIP sub. Hence LotRO isn't a B2P. D3 and GW2 are B2P.

I don't say B2P is good (in fact my experience with D3 and GW2 shows that B2P is worse than both P2P and F2P) but certainly B2P isn't just marketing. In an F2P game you (obviously) can just d/l the client and play. In a B2P game you (obviously) can't. And since B2P model seems to be very unfriendly towards open betas you have to make your decision to buy the game blindly. It's a huge difference.

Simply put: B2P is the most scam-friendly MMO business model to date. D3 can be used as a classic example of a marketing scam. If it were up to me, ActiBlizz managemet would end up in jail for fraud. GW2 isn't that bad so far but sill the 9/17 patch was very disappointing.

 

Yes you can.   Turbine points.   Buy once, play forever.   I've done it with LOTRO and DDO.  Sometimes, some things are delayed to the Turbine Store.   But so far everything, last time I played, is available in the store.   Plus there's tons of free content worth playing for those who are tight on TPs.

 

The rest of your argument is obvious tin-foil-hat-level rubbish and there is no point in addressing it.

  Volkon

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9/26/12 9:07:52 AM#39
Originally posted by Yakamomoto
Originally posted by Dibdabs
Originally posted by david361107

I'm going to say no GW2 is not Fail, but it's not the epic great game fans say it is either. I just hope that over time they make some changes, then it might be something i go back and look at.

The pandas are thattaway.  Byeeeeeeee!

And how are the Asura more mature or less cutesypants than Pandas? Really GW2 vs WoW is pretty useless discussion, both are rated "Teen" and have their cute cartoon creatures in a colorful fantasy world.

Bookah. That you even have to ask is strongly indicative that you fail to possess the comprehensive capabilites to understand.

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  lilHeala

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9/26/12 12:46:45 PM#40
Originally posted by david361107

 GW2 is too easy to level, way to setup for the casual players, will not hold population do to this. The PVP is kind of funny because it doesn't mean anything really, can't wear what gear i want when i want to? what is this? I just hate games that force you to do things, like oh you want to pvp? here your level 80 now, oh you want to wear your pvp gear in the world? are you crazy? you can't do that, you have to wear your pve gear there, it's just silly.

I'm going to say no GW2 is not Fail, but it's not the epic great game fans say it is either. I just hope that over time they make some changes, then it might be something i go back and look at.

 

 

Peace,

Lascer

For me the level doesn't matter at all so that also includes the levelling speed. I don't need to see that number go up to keep enjoying myself. This is not the type of game where the real good content is only accesible at end game and is also advertised as such so I don't see how this would affect the retention rate, those that will stop playing due to that would probably have left the game anyways because it's not their kind of thing and they understood it incorrectly before buying.

Separate PVE and PVP gear is actually a nice feature imo, no more balancing affecting both which is one of the issues many games suffer from and try to solve with some crap PVP stat that's only on PVP gear and has the rest of the stats lowered so it isn't viable in high end PVE and the other way around, the raid gear in those games having the best stats but aren't viable in PVP because they don't have the PVP specific stat.

If you want to PVP with your PVE gear and have a slight imbalance due to gear and real level then go WvW, SPVP is a level playing field.

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